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Church of England priest gets 4-year sentence for sexually abusing teenage boys
Calgary Herald ^ | Monday, November 19, 2012 | The Associated Press

Posted on 11/19/2012 2:10:32 PM PST by Jyotishi

London - A retired Church of England priest has been jailed for four years after admitting that he sexually abused three boys between 1983 and 1991.

The case against 75-year-old Rev. Ronald Johns revealed that the bishop of Carlisle had responded to another boy's complaint in 1993 by moving the priest but taking no further action.

(Excerpt) Read more at calgaryherald.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anglican; church; england; pries; priest; sex

1 posted on 11/19/2012 2:10:43 PM PST by Jyotishi
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To: Jyotishi

4 years?


2 posted on 11/19/2012 2:12:50 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (')
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To: All

We sure need some here.
FReepathon Day 50!

3 posted on 11/19/2012 2:14:12 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Jyotishi
No, this can't be! It's only evil, satanic Caflicks that abuse children!!

/sarc>

CC

4 posted on 11/19/2012 2:15:44 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (who, me??)
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To: Jyotishi

But don’t say anything nasty about Mohammed’s Child Rape of Aisha.....


5 posted on 11/19/2012 2:15:55 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0BAMA CHOSE to watch a MUSLIM SNUFF FILM rather than a HEROIC AMERICAN RESCUE FILM)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

He probably ruined lives that were shorter than that.


6 posted on 11/19/2012 2:16:26 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Celtic Conservative

I’ve actually never seen anyone suggest that only Catholics have problems with child abuse, except Catholics using that straw man argument to deflect criticism.


7 posted on 11/19/2012 2:18:03 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Well, you didn't disappoint. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts. buh bye now.

CC

8 posted on 11/19/2012 2:23:03 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (who, me??)
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To: Boogieman
>> I’ve actually never seen anyone suggest that only Catholics have problems with child abuse, except Catholics using that straw man argument to deflect criticism. <<

I have. And oddly enough, I've never seen any of the other 35,000 Christian denominations attacked for "having pedophile priests", no matter how many times stories like this show up and get buried by the mainstream media.

9 posted on 11/19/2012 2:29:01 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Jyotishi; Morgana

Wait a sec... I thought new and enlightened folks in the EUSSR were okay with this stuff....

isn’t their age of consent like 10??

//sarc


10 posted on 11/19/2012 2:31:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Jyotishi

My question:

ONLY FOUR??!!!!


11 posted on 11/19/2012 2:34:01 PM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: BillyBoy

??

what denomination?

The Church of England is part of the government isn’t it? This man was basically a government employee, this should be used to target government employee child predators!!


12 posted on 11/19/2012 2:36:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Jyotishi

you mean the church there had a homosexual who touched little boys.

OK chalk that up to yet another homosexual going after little boys and the media will ignore some facts about this


13 posted on 11/19/2012 2:51:50 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: BillyBoy
all religions have homosexuals who like little boys, but yet again the media will ignore that the men are homosexuals if touching boys, but then again we can;t mention facts that a vast population of homosexual men cannot stop touching boys.

Instead the media portrays homosexuals as just go happy lucky gay men

14 posted on 11/19/2012 2:55:01 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: BillyBoy

How many of the other 35,000 denominations having been caught covering up the scandals and protecting the pedophiles, systematically?

That’s what people were condemning with the Catholic scandals, not a few rogue priests misbehaving on their own, but the collusion and cover-up.


15 posted on 11/19/2012 3:50:14 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: BillyBoy
Yeah, funny that. It seems as though only Catholic priests get the lion's share of criticism.

And horrible as the abuse was/is, it is NOTHING compared to the molestation by public school teachers.

The number of teachers that abuse students is many multiples of those abused by priests.

Priests go to jail. Teachers get paid leave, until their union finally cuts them loose when it becomes impossible to defend them.

But the teachers still get their pensions. That's the most important thing.

Wouldn't want a molester to have a decrease in their pension, for God's sake.

16 posted on 11/19/2012 3:50:36 PM PST by boop ("I need another Cutty Sark"-LBJ)
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To: Celtic Conservative

He was probably one of those High-church Anglicans. They’re pretty much Catholic anyway....

... I’m being facetious btw, in case it isn’t already obvious...


17 posted on 11/19/2012 4:30:05 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Boogieman

Catholic sex abuse cases

“In 1998 the Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas paid $30.9 million to twelve victims of one priest ($44.1 million in present-day terms).[19][20] From 2003 to 2009 nine other major settlements involving over 375 cases with 1551 claimants/victims, resulted in payments of over $1.1 billion USD.[note 2] The Associated Press estimated the settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950 to 2007 totaled more than $2 billion.[21] Bishop Accountability puts the figure at more than $3 billion in 2012.[6][18] Addressing “a flood of abuse claims” five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[21] Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004-2011.[22]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

Pope Outraged By Irish Priests’ Sex Scandal
http://news.sky.com/story/745224/pope-outraged-by-irish-priests-sex-scandal

Catholic Church sex abuse scandals around the world
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10407559

Australia Orders Federal Child Sex Abuse Inquiry - (Catholic Church)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2958561/posts

Australian government reports on Catholic Church moving pedophile priests
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2944326/posts

HOW THE TORIES COVERED UP THE PAEDOPHILE RING JIMMY SAVILE PROCURED FOR
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2961058/posts


18 posted on 11/19/2012 5:00:40 PM PST by haffast
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To: haffast; Boogieman
Boogieman -- you were asking who accuses only Catholics, well, Haffast is giving you an example

The sad thing is that it affects all denominations

SK (Baptist) pastor arrested on child rape charges

Pastor had sex with teens to cure their homosexuality

Riverside Pastor Now Faces 91 Sex-Related Charges

San Jose pastor accused of molesting boy

Pastor admits molesting 2 girls

Pastor held for sexually exploiting minor girls

Where is the Outrage? (evangelical pedophiles)

Pastor Admits Guilt in Sexual Abuse Cases on Consecutive Days

Pastor in Puyallup charged with child molesting

Pastors: Homosexuality not a sin (100 ordained Christian ministers have signed the proclamation)

Pastor arrested on child molestation charges

Teen testifies of abuse by pastor

Humboldt pastor pleads guilty to sex abuse

Charlotte Presbytery, too, ends gay ban

Clergy Sex Abuse in the Southern Baptist Convention

Kingston, PA, youth minister accused of molesting teens

Pastor Arrested For Child Molestation (DeLand, FL)

Arizona pastor arrested, accused of molesting boys in 3 states

Fugitive pastor wanted on child sex charges found (raw video link) (Gaston Co NC)

Sacramento pastor Molesting Teen

Pastor settles with victim out of court

Kelso Pastor Charged With Multiple Rapes In Portland, OR

Pastor jailed for rape

Delray pastor gets no jail time for molestation

pastor pleads guilty to molesting boy, attempt on brother

pastor gets 4 year sentence for molesting teens

Jersey Pastor Forced Teens to Make Sex Tape at Motel,

Coral springs youth pastor arrested for 10 counts of lewd and lascivious molestation

Ada preacher charged with molesting young boys

New Life Christian Center vows to support accused pastor (accused of sex with 13 y/o)

Pastor Convicted Of Sex Assault Dies In Prison (Dogwood City, TX)

Former Gladewater, TX, pastor pleads guilty in sexual assault of a child trial

Pastor arrested on charges of solicitation (High Point, NC)

pastor faces hearing on sex charges

Child molesting case resurfaces, could cost First Baptist Church of Hesperia millions

Former Prestonwood, TX, pastor remains jailed, faces online solicitation charges

First Baptist Church deacon Stephen Edmonds pleaded guilty to molesting three boy

Watertown, SD, Pastor Arrested, Charged With Sex Crimes

pastor pleads to 9 counts of voyeurism

Suits allege clergy misconduct, Two Baptist ministers apologize after women bring forth accusations

Stafford minister jailed for sex with boy in '80s

19 posted on 11/19/2012 10:36:58 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: GeronL
The Church of England is part of the government isn’t it?

No, it isn't. As the 'established church', the Church of England has certain residual privileges within the British constitution (most of which these days are more token than real). It has no connection whatever with government, and receives no government funding in any form.

20 posted on 11/20/2012 2:08:01 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Cronos; haffast

“Boogieman — you were asking who accuses only Catholics, well, Haffast is giving you an example”

Is posting some links on Catholic cases equivalent to saying that only Catholics commit sex abuse? That wouldn’t be my first assumption, but let’s ask Haffast. Is that what you meant to imply when you posted that list of links?


21 posted on 11/20/2012 6:51:27 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Cronos

The Pope is “outraged”, why is your outrage misdirected?

http://bible.cc/galatians/4-16.htm

http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm

Your Fruit
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2957470/posts?page=9#9

(and note #10)


22 posted on 11/20/2012 8:19:35 AM PST by haffast
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To: Boogieman; Chronos

““Boogieman — you were asking who accuses only Catholics, well, Haffast is giving you an example”

Is posting some links on Catholic cases equivalent to saying that only Catholics commit sex abuse? That wouldn’t be my first assumption, but let’s ask Haffast. Is that what you meant to imply when you posted that list of links?””

Of course not. Neither was it my intent for you to incur the wrath of Chronos by my initial posting to you. My apologies to you.

My intent was for the Catholic apologists on this thread to take a step back and do some introspection. It appears I was far too indirect, and some can’t be shamed.

First assumptions are rather telling.


23 posted on 11/20/2012 8:36:22 AM PST by haffast
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To: haffast
Why aren't you outraged by your fruit?
24 posted on 11/20/2012 8:38:57 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: haffast; Boogieman

really, haffast, your posting history demonstrates otherwise...


25 posted on 11/20/2012 8:39:39 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: haffast

are you saying one thing and posting another?


26 posted on 11/20/2012 8:40:16 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: haffast; Cronos

“Chronos” = “Cronos”

Sorry.


27 posted on 11/20/2012 8:41:26 AM PST by haffast
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To: haffast
John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
28 posted on 11/20/2012 8:41:26 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: haffast
John 8:55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word.
29 posted on 11/20/2012 8:42:01 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: haffast; Boogieman

furthermore, boogieman, a poster who’s recent posting history consists solely of “posting links on Cathlic cases”, even when, as in this article, it has nothing to do with Catholics is a pretty good example of the type of poster you were asking about...


30 posted on 11/20/2012 8:52:08 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos; haffast

I really don’t see what the basis for you claim that he only posts that stuff. I just perused his first page of posts, and I see maybe 3 posts out of 30 that are on that topic.

Also, saying the article has nothing to do with Catholics is silly, because Catholic abuse cases were brought up in the comments by a Catholic poster. What, are non-Catholics bigots now for responding to a topic that Catholics bring up? I’m sorry, but if Catholics want to play the “poor me” card and claim some victim status because of people’s attitudes towards the abuse cases, then they should be prepared for people to respond to that with something other than uncritical acceptance.


31 posted on 11/20/2012 3:44:42 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Hey, no one’s playing “poor me” — you asked for examples of those who see only one side and I gave you this guy’s post as examples. So read it and there you have your example


32 posted on 11/20/2012 11:10:57 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

“Hey, no one’s playing “poor me””

I’m talking about the original poster that started this whole discussion with their sarcastic lament, then took off. I’m not going to bother pinging them, because they made it clear they have no interest in having an actual discussion.


33 posted on 11/21/2012 6:37:29 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Cronos; Boogieman

“Hey, no one’s playing “poor me” — you asked for examples of those who see only one side and I gave you this guy’s post as examples. So read it and there you have your example”

CATHOLICS FOR OBAMA (CFO)

“A project of Catholic Democrats, Catholics For Obama (CFO) was formed to promote the presidential candidacy of Senator Barack Obama in 2008. Noting that “Americans are weary of being pitted against one another over issues of race, disparity of wealth, and religion,” CFO stated that “Senator Obama has made bringing Americans together to solve common problems the central theme of his campaign.” One CFO board member called Obama “a presidential candidate of historic accomplishments,” and lauded his background as a 1980s-era community organizer whose efforts “to [economically] empower the lives of thousands of people” had received vital “funding from the U.S. Bishops.” Obama’s employer in the eighties had been the Chicago-based Developing Communities Project, an initiative of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development.”

Though Obama has been an unwavering backer of abortion rights throughout his years in politics—he opposed even the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act as a state senator—CFO says that by the standards of “Catholic Social Teaching,” Obama is technically “pro-life” because he “has spent his entire career striving for the common good.” Specifically, CFO praises the President for supporting “health care programs that will cover all Americans, a living wage for working families, and solutions that allow distressed families to stay in their homes.” Moreover, CFO reasons that Obama’s presidency will ultimately reduce the number of abortions “by promoting health care for pregnant women and better infant care, day care and job training.”

Maintaining that “the state has a positive moral function to promote the common good,” CFO views the expansion of governmental power as a preferred means of solving society’s most pressing problems.

The president and board chairman of CFO is Patrick Whelan, who also serves as president of Catholic Democrats. A member of the pediatrics faculty at Harvard Medical School and a co-director of Pax Christi Massachusetts, Whelan was formerly a national co-director of Catholics for Kerry; he served for three years on the Democratic National Committee’s Faith Advisory Council under Howard Dean; and he volunteered with the Catholic Worker communities in Los Angeles and Houston.

Other CFO board members include:

- Victoria Reggie Kennedy: The widow of the late Senator Edward Kennedy, Victoria is an attorney and an activist who has been an official with numerous groups focused on reducing gun violence and restricting access to firearms.

- Kathleen Kennedy Townsend: The eldest of Robert F. Kennedy’s eleven children, Townsend served two years as deputy assistant attorney general during the Bill Clinton administration, and later as Maryland’s lieutenant governor (1995-2003).

- Thomas P. O’Neill III: O’Neill was lieutenant governor of Massachusetts from 1975-1983. Today he is CEO of O’Neill & Associates, a government and public-relations firm in Boston. (Tip’s son)

- James Roosevelt, Jr.: Formerly the chief legal counsel for the Massachusetts Democratic Party, Roosevelt currently co-chairs the Rules and By-laws Committee of the Democratic National Committee. He is also president and CEO of the Tufts Health Plan. (FDR’s grandson)

- William D’Antonio: This retired professor of sociology was once the CEO of the American Sociological Association.

- Lisa Schare: This Cincinnati-based high-school art teacher serves as state chair of the Catholic Democrats of Ohio. A longtime Democratic Party activist, she did volunteer work for the Clinton/Gore, Gore/Lieberman, and Kerry/Edwards presidential campaigns.

Read full article here:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7727

The Creation of the Religious Left

“When people reflect on the Christian church they generally picture a fellowship of believers whose focus is on *spiritual growth*, *spreading the faith*, and *good works*. These were the church’s primary goals until the last few decades. There is a wide gulf, however, between yesterday’s goals and today’s agenda. The American mainline churches the most prominent of which are the *United Methodists*, the United Church of Christ, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Episcopalians, the American Baptists, many Catholic leaders and orders, and the Lutheran Church in America - have realigned their priorities in a frighteningly *political* direction.”

“A growing percentage of Christian leadership has abandoned its role as *spiritual shepherd* because it no longer considers humanity’s *spiritual welfare* its greatest concern. A great many bishops have rejected *winning souls* in favor of *influencing political issues*. Church bureaucracy now neglects traditional mission in favor of *lobbying for political causes*. In fact, certain sectors of the church now make it their primary business to manufacture, widely distribute, and finance a radical agenda by which they hope *to save the world*. In doing so, they have created the *Religious Left*.”
http://cmpage.org/betrayal/chapt1.html

Walter Rauschenbusch - was a Christian theologian and Baptist pastor (Convert from German Luthern). He was a key figure in the Social Gospel movement which flourished in the United States during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Plus

Rev. Harry F. Ward - the “Red” Dean of Union Theological Seminary - NYC

“In 1929, when Kornfeder was in Moscow, he heard **Harry F. Ward** and his work discussed in the Anglo-American Secretariat, where Ward was portrayed as the architect of the methods by which churches could he infiltrated (”of Communists and fellow travelers working inside the churches, giving themselves the coloring of religious reformers and of getting the church in the social side, away from spiritualism”).”

“In fact, when one studies the methods of the Methodist Federation, I wonder who learned from whom, whether it was Harry F. Ward who learned from Stalin or whether Stalin learned from Harry Wand.”

Plus

Abyssinian Baptist Church - New York

Adam Clayton Powell, Sr. - preached the Gospel of **Social Justice** as pastor of Abyssinian Baptist Church

Plus

Howard Thurman and Martin Luther King

Plus

Bonhoeffer in Harlem - “Deeply interested in **ecumenism**, he was appointed by the World Alliance for Promoting International Friendship through the Churches (a forerunner of the **World Council of Churches**) as one of its three European youth secretaries. “

“Rejecting the objective unalterable moral standards of the Bible, Bonhoeffer proclaimed a situational ethics — that right and wrong are determined solely by the “loving obligations of the moment” “

Plus

Charles A. Briggs - popularized German biblical criticism in the United States, first as a professor at Union and then as its president.
- an important early leader of the Modernist movement.

Plus

Dr. James H. Cone – Charles A. Briggs Distinguished Professor of Systematic Theology at Union Theological Seminary – Founder of Black Liberation Theology”

Plus

Martin Niemöller - “In 1961, he became president of the **World Council of Churches**.[9] He earned the **Lenin** Peace Prize in 1966.”
“ He met with Ho Chi Minh during the Vietnam War and was a committed campaigner for nuclear disarmament.”

Plus

Reinhold Niebuhr - “Christian ethicist”, “Starting as a leftist minister in the 1920s indebted to theological liberalism, he shifted to the new Neo-Orthodox theology in the 1930s, ....”
“....and created the theo-philosophical perspective known as Christian realism.”

“During the 1930s, Niebuhr was a prominent leader of the militant faction of the Socialist Party of America, although he disliked die-hard Marxists by calling their beliefs a religion and a thin one at that.[23] In 1941, he cofounded the Union for Democratic Action, a group with a strongly militarily interventionist, internationalist foreign policy and a pro-union, liberal domestic policy, and was the group’s sole president until its transformation into the Americans for Democratic Action in 1947.[24]”

Plus

Rev. Jeremiah Wright - G** D**n America . Your Christianity is not necessarily our Christianity.

“”Obama was steeped in Islam but knew nothing about Christianity,” Klein says.”

“Klein asked Wright if he converted Obama from being a Muslim into a Christian.”

“He said, I don’t know about that. but I can tell you that I made it easy for him to come to an understanding of who Jesus Christ is and not feel that he was turning his back on his Islamic friends and his Islamic traditions and his understanding of Islam,” Klein says.”

“The second area was Obama’s political philosophy. Wright introduced Obama to Black Liberation theology.”

Plus

President Barrack Hussein Obama - Received more than just “Dreams From My Father”, and his socialist mother, or his communist grandparents, or Communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis, or racist Black Liberationist Rev. Jeremiah Wright

Plus

Union Theological Seminary - “The seminary was founded in 1836 under the Presbyterian Church,[3] and is affiliated with nearby **Columbia University**. In the 20th century, Union was world renowned as a center of **liberal Christianity and neo-orthodoxy**, in addition to being the birthplace of the **Black Liberation Theology**, **Womanist Theology** and **Mujerista Theology** movements.”

Equals:

Anti-colonial - Islamic - Black Liberationist - CommUnitarian President Barack Hussein Obama - A man of “diversity” out for those struggling on the “margins” of life. A change agent for The New World Order.

As found here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2957587/posts?page=39#39

And variations here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2958373/posts?page=33#33

...as well as other threads.

Cronos, a careful reading of this thread displays that your blindness extends to the very core of who you are. It is you who is unable to see both sides.

http://bible.cc/proverbs/16-18.htm

I’ll forgive you. It appears that you know not what you do.

I hope you’ll forgive me.

Wishing you and your family a wonderful Thanksgiving.


34 posted on 11/21/2012 6:51:28 AM PST by haffast
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To: Boogieman; Cronos

I missed a “ping” from Cronos yesterday morning:

Anti-Israel Protestants: more Bible study needed

To: haffast

for you to add to your lists...

19 posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:08:57 AM by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2961390/posts?page=19#19

I “pinged” you for #39 on that thread.

Have a great Thanksgiving.


35 posted on 11/21/2012 6:58:45 AM PST by haffast
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To: haffast; Religion Moderator
RM -- note, personal abuse "your blindness extends to the very core of who you are"

And this isn't the first time from haffast.

36 posted on 11/21/2012 7:03:41 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Boogieman

“with their sarcastic lament, then took off. “ — ok. Basically, to answer your question there are posters who just want to say “it’s only caflix” - you haven’t done that.


37 posted on 11/21/2012 7:04:58 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: haffast
your blindness extends to the very core of who you are. It is you who is unable to see both sides.

Making the thread "about" another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

38 posted on 11/21/2012 7:26:30 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; Cronos

Double-standards noted. I will make adjustments:

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-7.htm

Happy Thanksgiving!!


39 posted on 11/22/2012 5:38:05 AM PST by haffast
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