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Liberated Iraq calls on Arab states to use oil as 'weapon' against U.S.
Fox News ^ | 11/16/2012

Posted on 11/16/2012 12:03:01 PM PST by SargeK

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To: Cronos
Then you look at Europe itself, totally in the tank for the Palestinians. Whose men died to defend it?

Firstly, Western Europe is not all of Europe. The nations that have supported the Palestinians now are Western European, not Central Europe.

Yes, I could have been more precise.  The sad fact is, I did provide enough information that there should have been no confusion who I was talking about.  You broke it out just right here.  It was my take most folks could do so, in the full context of my comments.  Why are you acting as if it wasn't perfectly clear to you who I was talking about?

Secondly, the men who died to defend it were in terms of numbers firstly European, then Russian then American.

Case in point, you just brought it to my attention that I should have referenced Western Europe, so you did know what portion of Europe I was talking about.

Then you reference losses, including the U. S. S. R.
  Tell me, how many losses did the U. S. S. R. have in Western Europe?


Did we fight to liberate Eastern Europe?  No.  So why would you try to point out to me that I should have only referenced Western Europe?

Now lets reference who had skin in this game.  The U. S. S. R. did.  Europeans did.  We didn't.  None the less, we sent our men to Europe to do the right thing.  Many of them remain in Europe to this day, in massive cemetaries.

Now we expect Europe to do the right thing, when it comes to Israel vs the Arabs.  If Eastern Europe is doing so, great.  I never accused it of not doing so.  I specifically mentioned the area we had fought to liberate. 
You know damn well what area that was.


WWII was won due to American military supplies to the USSR and to Britain and then due to the Soviets breaking the back of the Germans.

Okay then, the U. S. S. R. broke the back of the Germans in Western Europe?  Good to know.  Thanks.

Where did the U. S. S. R. lose the bulk of it's forces?  I'm fairly sure you know exactly where that was.  It did lose troops on the way to Berlin too
.

I guess the saturation bombing of German forces and factories across Europe into Berlin wasn't really necessary then.  I guess U. S. forces that traversed Italy up to Berlin, participated in D-Day and fought fierce battles from the French Coast to Berlin weren't really necessary either.  Gee, what a waste.  If we had only known.

Only Western Europe was liberated at the end of WWII -- for central Europeans the war ended in 1989...


My aren't you Captain Obvious.  Look, when it comes to the years Eastern Europe was occuped by the U. S. S. R., I have a lot of respect and sympathy for it's people.  And while the people there were having to deal with the ramifications of U. S. S. R. dictates on a daily basis, we in the United States were faced with the prospect of massive numbers of thermo-nuclear weapons strikes at any moment.  The U. S. S. R. had thirty thousand plus nuclear warheads, and a major portion of them were aimed at me and my fellow citizens.

The U. S. S. R. supported terrorists around the world.  It funded Marxist and Socialist activism in Europe, Asia, the Carribean, and even in the United States.  We didn't get a free ride during those years.  We had to counter the efforts of the U. S. S. R. constantly.  We didn't just do that for our interests.  We tried to do it for a lot of people's interest, including folks from other nations, and their governments.  And we expended massive sums of money over half a century to accomplish this.

At times when the U. S. S. R. took measures, moved troops and supplies to the edge of Easter Europe, the U. S. heightened our military stance, and made it perfectly clear we would not tolerate further adventurism.  Massive number of tanks were common on the U. S. S. R.'s Western most frontier.  We introduced Pershing missiles in Europe despite major objections by the governments there.  We did so, so that we could stop the Soviet tanks before they could invade.  If we hadn't, the U. S. S. R. would have been able to conquer all of Europe in a matter of days.  This caused increased tension between the U. S. S. R. and the U. S.  And it's something we could have avoided, if we had just let the U. S. S. R. know we wouldn't stand up to it on Europe's behalf.

The citizens of of the Eastern Block were a common focus of our global goals for decades.  I believe President Reagan's efforts eventually led to the fall and break-up of the U. S. S. R.

In light of our efforts on behalf of Europe, I believe we have a right to address others who have a need now, and chastise entities in Europe that are not using their heads.

I happen to believe Eastern Europe has been more sympathetic to Israel's plight.  It was not my intent to infer otherwise.  And I would expect anyone who has seen my writings on this site, would try to read my comments knowing that I am not going to be unfair to any people, and try to interpret my intent and meaning with that in mind.

And we both know, I gave you more information than needed, to make it perfectly clear what part of Europe I was talking about.



101 posted on 11/17/2012 4:39:27 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: cripplecreek

Gratitude. An Islamic trait since the 700s. (He said sarcastically.)

}:-)4


102 posted on 11/17/2012 4:46:53 AM PST by Moose4 (...and walk away.)
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To: PsyOps
"...Screw this nation building crap. We should have permanent bases with a lot of land and natural resources now in Iraq... forever......."

The Roman knew how to take care of business, didn't they.....

103 posted on 11/17/2012 5:25:18 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: PsyOps
"...Screw this nation building crap. We should have permanent bases with a lot of land and natural resources now in Iraq... forever......."

The Romans knew how to take care of business, didn't they.....

104 posted on 11/17/2012 5:25:51 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: SargeK

Thank Dubya. It was his great idea to nation build in that cesspool.


105 posted on 11/17/2012 5:31:25 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: cripplecreek

none

This statement is but one inconsequential voice


106 posted on 11/17/2012 5:33:35 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: SargeK

It’s an old cliche, but: “We can burn our wheat. Let them eat their oil.”
With newly proven oil & gas fields in this country and other energy technologies such as ethanol production, that old cliche is truer to reality now than ever before. We need to cut off ALL foreign aid. The U.S. is broke. Let these camel humpers starve.


107 posted on 11/17/2012 5:44:26 AM PST by lgjhn23
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To: PsyOps

“If we decide to sacrifice American lives in another war, then we keep a piece of the land we shed blood for.”

Big Media will never put up with that, so neither will the DWTS generation.

FU BO, and your mindless worshippers, too — FU FU!


108 posted on 11/17/2012 5:57:24 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: cripplecreek

>>...raising more questions about the Middle Eastern nation’s allegiance to the nation that freed it from a ruthless dictatorship.<<

Allegiance? Did anyone honestly believe these muzzies had an ounce of allegiance to America?


109 posted on 11/17/2012 6:07:39 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: KTM rider

It`s getting to the point we`d be crazy for NOT thinking he`s the enemy inside the gates.


110 posted on 11/17/2012 6:15:56 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: SargeK

If we are going to keep playing empire, play it to the hilt.


111 posted on 11/17/2012 6:55:45 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SargeK
The LeMay school of foreign policy. Bomb them back to the stone age.
112 posted on 11/17/2012 6:58:12 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: PsyOps

PsyOPs you nailed it. America has forgotten “To the Victor go the spoils”, as an important principle of warfare. You have to send a message both to the nation you have defeated and other nations who have any thoughts about taking you on down the road.


113 posted on 11/17/2012 7:02:19 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: Cronos

Assad is the only friend of Christians in the area.


114 posted on 11/17/2012 7:06:29 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SargeK

As I’ve said for years, becoming energy independent (drill here, drill now) is not merely a matter of economics.

It is a matter of national security.

Those that have prevented the US from using her own energy resources have done so at the peril of our national security.

We don’t need an EMP to suffer the effects of a grid-down situation.

We only need to have our petroleum supply interrupted.


115 posted on 11/17/2012 7:09:51 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: cripplecreek
The only way this was going to work is if we took out Iran and Syria as well. Bush was playing dominoes. In the four years since we now had Iran closer than ever to a nuclear weapon. Afghanistan a mess, Iraq precarious, the Muslim Brotherhood and likely Al Queda running Egypt, Libya now a problem, etc. etc. Unbelievable.
116 posted on 11/17/2012 7:30:00 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SargeK

Maybe we’ll remember this the next time someone gets the bright idea to “bring democracy” to a bunch of uncivilized medieval blood-cultists.


117 posted on 11/17/2012 7:48:07 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Don’t forget Pakistan (not to mention So America)


118 posted on 11/17/2012 8:20:25 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: PGR88
I said from the start we should have "tested some nukes" over there after 911. It worked wonders for the Japanese. The Japanese during WW2 made Al-Qaeda look like the teletubbies, they were a 100 times more vicious and insane. A couple well placed nukes and here we are today where the most aggressive thing they do is pushing Hello Kitty on us.

"Surrender immediately or - or I will pamper you!"

119 posted on 11/17/2012 8:55:50 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
As I’ve said for years, becoming energy independent (drill here, drill now) is not merely a matter of economics.

It is a matter of national security.

Absolutely correct and very important.

This article shows that Iraq is taking Obama's lead. To bad he isn't leading from behind on this one.

The original attack on 911 in 2001 was an attack on our financial system by Osama.

Interesting how similar the name of The One who has continued that attack is to Osama.

This treasonous administration continues to do all it can to weaken our great country, The United States of Almerica.

120 posted on 11/17/2012 8:56:08 AM PST by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead-->MSM/Dems/GOP-e -- LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: PsyOps

If we decide to sacrifice American lives in another war, then we keep a piece of the land we shed blood for. In this case, we should have secured a portion of their oil resources permanently. Screw this nation building crap. We should have permanent bases with a lot of land and natural resources now in Iraq... forever.


We needed to separate the Kurdish area from the rest of it and stayed in there with a large permanent base. The Kurds were the only semblance of friends we had there in any case—even though Kissinger had sold them out decades ago. We could have helped turn Kurdistan into Israel East. And when we were still in there a few years back, gas was trending to a dime a gallon.

I hate saying this because I get pounded but the Bush Family was clueless about Iraq.


121 posted on 11/17/2012 9:09:57 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: SargeK

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nukem

nukem

nukem

nukem

nukem

Where are our Neutron bombs now when we need them?

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122 posted on 11/17/2012 9:25:47 AM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I’m still waiting for Kerry/Biden’s “three state solution” which is what they insisted was the ONLY way to win the war in Iraq (or Irack, as Brabra Streisandwich calls it).


123 posted on 11/17/2012 9:39:34 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: SargeK

We shouldn’t waste a dime more of our treasure or a dorp more of our blood in the ME. Bring out troops home and let them all kill each other. Develop our our energy sources.


124 posted on 11/17/2012 9:44:03 AM PST by austingirl
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To: cripplecreek
How many American lives did we waste for these idiots?

tsk tsk tsk... for a minute I thought you thought of American liberals... and the unthinkable... yeah... something like that (sarc off)

125 posted on 11/17/2012 9:59:22 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda


Liberated Iraq calls on Arab states
to use oil as a 'weapon' against USA




4500 US dead - 1 Trillion+ spent
More aid sent to Iraq every day
"Nation Building" does not work :

Somalia - Afghanistan - Iraq - Libya - Where next?

Gasoline - $6.44/gallon in one FL gas station!!!


126 posted on 11/17/2012 10:14:15 AM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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To: SargeK

Qais al-Azzawy is looking for a bullet.


127 posted on 11/17/2012 10:47:42 AM PST by GWConservative ( No PACs electstephens.org)
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To: SargeK

Worked out well for us, didn’t it? And it only took the lives of over 4000 US troops and who knows how many maimed and wounded.


128 posted on 11/17/2012 10:54:10 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: SargeK

All those wasted lives,,,and money. And what did it get us? A new ally for Iran. I was an idiot for supporting this fiasco, too.


129 posted on 11/17/2012 10:58:39 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: 1010RD
or Saddam

Yes and no. Saddam's folks did a lot of nasty things.

So far as their government now......I'll give you some anecdotes:

I was talking to some local level officials and political types in Iraq when they noted Americans tried their best to understand Iraqis, but Americans still did not understand Iraqis.

Iraqis will find someone to war with, or it will war with itself.

Iraqis do not understand democracy and freedom. They understand conquering, or being conquered.

The politicians recommended that it would be better for everyone if "we" picked a puppet to be in charge of Iraq; have the puppet rule with an iron fist and kill off those with terrorist/insurgent ties. The US could take some of the oil profits to pay for her troubles, Iraq would use the rest to provide for the people. So long as the puppet wasn't committing the atrocities Saddam was, they could be told this is what freedom is all about and most wouldn't know the difference.

In a short while they would take comfort in their safety/security and forget all about the fact their "leader" was really a stooge for the US. The US should keep a base in the country to maintain stability in the region and put some wasta behind the puppet government. - This was their "win-win."

They surmised that if we tried to continue the 'democracy' route, all the different factions would continue to fight, and the violence would continue until one warlord/political party could garner enough power to take over the government - Iraq would return to a dictatorship and it would most likely be brutal to its people in order to retain power, friendly to terrorists, and unfriendly to US on principle.

I found myself unable to argue with them.

130 posted on 11/17/2012 11:23:19 AM PST by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: SargeK
We tried it. I suppose it had to be tried - to give these animals the chance to evolve into something resembling Homo sapiens. Now we now it cannot be done so lets get ready for Phase II of this little struggle.

I agree. The cost of this lesson was horrific, but we have no need to repeat this failure. These cultures are too alien to our own to be reformed and reshaped as we did with Germany and Japan. If we need to attack them for any reason, we should do that--hard, swift, and strong, and them leave them sitting in the rubble. We have difficulties making loyal Americans out of Muslims in this country.
131 posted on 11/17/2012 11:35:55 AM PST by Nepeta
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To: Cronos

Ross Perot told during the debates that Bush had sent the SOS to Saddam and by ommission told him he could do what he wanted. Then Perot said “It was like the commercial. We couldn’t believe he took the whole thing.”


132 posted on 11/17/2012 11:39:43 AM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: cripplecreek

By ‘idiots’, I am assuming that you are referring to members of the Obama Administration. Iraq wanted us to keep out bases long term in Iraq, but Obama sabotaged that deal. So Iraq is now doing what it needs to do to survive since they know that they can no longer count on the US to honor its word. From the Iraqi standpoint, I really can’t blame them for this action. They know now that they are on their own and must act accordingly. If they go to war with Iran, they can expect the US President to back Iran.


133 posted on 11/17/2012 11:50:35 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: no-to-illegals

“Didn’t give a heck about Kuwait”

Ah, the days when journalists were aggressive to find the truth (because a Bush was in charge)! Would that the MSM were as interested in what senior diplomats, like April Glaspie, were telling the guys in charge of ME countries.

HF


134 posted on 11/17/2012 12:04:43 PM PST by holden
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To: redgolum

I’m not sure how Assad can be seen as a friend of Christians in the region.

He supports Hezbollah, and Hezbollah is now the majority portion of the Lebanese government. That is right isn’t it?

Prior to this the Christians were a majority of the government in Lebanon.

Assad has also helped facilitate Hezbollah munition movements into the south of Lebanon, on it’s sovereign soil.

Please explain how this guy is a big friend of Christians.

Perhaps you’re right, but I sure don’t see it at this point.


135 posted on 11/17/2012 1:12:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: SargeK

Yeah? I see your “oil” and raise you “food”.


136 posted on 11/17/2012 1:19:22 PM PST by Ray76
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Keep FR Running
Fight back.
Counter the MSM spin machine.

137 posted on 11/17/2012 2:14:15 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: holden
the days when journalists were aggressive to find the truth

yes, a fortune for those days. Somewhere along the line our journalists have failed the People, and America. Currently our enemies surround us. Infiltration upon infiltration. Cover-up upon cover-up. Your point is one which is taken. One which from there is no escape. Agreement with others, phase II is well underway.

138 posted on 11/17/2012 4:20:48 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SargeK

I wish we could just NUKE the whole damn place!


139 posted on 11/17/2012 4:29:55 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: cripplecreek

This is not bad, actually. They’re using economic clout, rather than hijacking planes. The clout only works so long as you have a POTUS who won’t allow any drilling or shale development. But since you somehow got stuck with one who does for a while, can’t say as I’m mad the Iraqis for using a civilized weapon. It’s all Bush’s fault that they even think along those lines.It stings that they’re doing this, but not as much as a dead diplomat. There are effective counters to both the obstructive POTUS and embargoing OPEC. They will be used, because the market demands it.


140 posted on 11/17/2012 4:31:02 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: DoughtyOne

He allows them to live in Syria. The US Military doesn’t even do that in Iraq.


141 posted on 11/17/2012 5:57:04 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Nepeta

I agree. The cost of this lesson was horrific, but we have no need to repeat this failure.


McCain wants to repeat the mistake and “bring democracy” to Syria.


142 posted on 11/17/2012 9:10:17 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: Joe 6-pack

We should never have gone in to save Saudi Arabia in ‘91.


143 posted on 11/17/2012 10:33:30 PM PST by dervish (either the vote was corrupt or the electorate is)
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To: redgolum
Assad is the only friend of Christians in the area.

Exactly, sad but true. Why are we not supporting him?

144 posted on 11/17/2012 11:52:14 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: uncommonsense

I think the building the airforce base in Saudia was a mistake


145 posted on 11/17/2012 11:55:13 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: DoughtyOne
The USSR destroyed German armies in the East. This leeched off men and weapons from the West. In the West, the Germans had absolute control of the Atlantic coast. By reducing their manpower, America and Britain had a chance to liberate western Europe

We didn't. None the less, we sent our men to Europe to do the right thing -- true

Okay then, the U. S. S. R. broke the back of the Germans in Western Europe? -- as I described above, yes, the actions on the Eastern front (which, let me remind me couldn't have been done without American military supplies) is what broke the back of the Germans. The losses suffered on the Eastern front meant that they had to understaff the Western.

I guess the saturation bombing of German forces and factories across Europe into Berlin wasn't really necessary then. -- no, I didn't say that -- on the contrary it WAS necessary -- I said "the Soviets broke the back" -- if we hadn't done saturation bombing and fought in Italy, etc. then the Soviets would have been controlling all of Germany and probably France as well

Western Europe, in particular the French were horrendously slimy -- France was protected from the USSR by a mass of nations, hence they thought they could withdraw from NATO as they didn't directly face a threat.....

146 posted on 11/18/2012 12:02:53 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: redgolum

Exactly, no half-way.


147 posted on 11/18/2012 12:03:40 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: shalom aleichem; pieceofthepuzzle
Pakistan has been a problem for longer. In fact this ws the first nation created with a specific religious tint -- a land for Indian Moslems (it's another thing that the Hindus were generous or stupid enough to let some Moslems remain in India)

It took a turn for the worse in 1970s when Bhutto was executed and a Moslem dictator -- General Zia ul Huq took over

we supplied him money and weapons to fight in Afghanistan and he kept a lot of those money and weapons and used it to train terrorists.

148 posted on 11/18/2012 12:05:54 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
well, the Japanese are different -- these guys were our allies from the time we opened them up in the Meiji era through WWI.

They dragged THEMSELVES up from poverty and backwardness in the 1800s to being a first rate power in 1905 (defeating the Russians conclusively).

the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki like the firebombing of Dresden were horrendous from a humanitarian stand-point but necessary -- it showed the Japanese and the Germans that total war could also shatter and destroy them utterly

Both of these are industrious people and realized that their ultra-aggressive stances were a losing game for them. So they changed

But the Moslems (note, not Arabs, Moslems) dont' understand that, they are not industrious and their religion mandates perpetual war.

Nukes on Mecca and Medina are the way to go

Bush said "we aren't fighting Islam" but that was naivety -- we ARE fighting Islam. Every non-Moslem is doing that...

149 posted on 11/18/2012 12:09:53 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: DoughtyOne; redgolum
Syria has 10% officially Christians. In reality there's a lot more -- refugees from Iraq (Iraq in 2003 had 2 million Christians, in 2010, 400,000 and dropping).

Both Assad (Jr & Sr) and Saddam didn't care about religion as long as you didn't threaten their rule

Christians for 1400 years had learnt to do just that.

However if the Islamists come to power, then Christian churches are the target.

Assad is a big friend to the Christians for this reason -- the alternative (the "rebels") are Saudi/Oman sponsored Islamists who will kill all Christians in Syria.

150 posted on 11/18/2012 12:13:45 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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