Posted on 11/13/2012 10:44:57 PM PST by Olog-hai
The United States and Germany won a closely contested race Monday among western nations for UN Human Rights Council seats, while the likes of Venezuela and Pakistan secured places without a competitive vote.
Rights groups condemned the “pre-cooked” arrangements by most continental groups at the 193-member UN General Assembly which gave council seats to countries whose records have been widely questioned.
The United States, Germany and Ireland won the only open election among western nations. …
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Yep the Germans should feel right at home on the Human rights council. You know with their great record of Supporting the Jews. /Sarc
Germany since the war has been mostly pro-Israel and they have apologised frequently and fervently for their war past. The Germans of today are to be judged for their merits TODAY, not the sins of their grandfathers or great-grandfathers.
I don’t know what provoked this outburst out of you. I certainly did not make Germany join the UN Human Rights Council, which is brazenly anti-Israel and seems to have no other purpose but to be anti-Israel.
WADR, you should know better.
Secondly, the UNHRC is not just about Israel. In fact in the past half-year it hasn't mentioned Israel -- http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/Sessions.aspx
Finally, cd's post was mocking Germany with it's Nazi past for being on the Human Rights council -- and my post was a reply to that pointing out that the war ended 67 years ago and those involved, even the criminals in that, are dead and modern day Germans are to be judged by their current actions.
You are posting with a German hating paranoid lunatic.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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I was being sarcastic. I love Germany. I have been there many times and lived there.. I am one that supports Isreal, yet I also feel the way you do about the sins of the Germans that happened 67 years ago. Also I am one that thinks we should have never bombed Dresden. It may have been a bad bit of sarcasm.
the problem with a forum is that it is open for varying interpretations. I find a /sarc tag helps best
About Dresden — well, I think it was right :) seriously. will elaborate tomorrow
I can certainly agree about the “current actions” bit.
Either way, the UNHRC (which replaced the equally-crooked UN Commission on Human Rights) is quite problematic on its own and ought not be funded, least of all by the USA.
Thanks Olog-hai. G’night all!
Lets go back to WWI, 1918. German troops are, on the western front, in france, belgium and on the eastern front, the German trenches and won territory stretches from Estonia to Kiev -- including all of Poland, Belarus, the Baltic states and western Ukraine.
Germany has been continuously fighting OUTSIDE it's borders. War has not hit the German heartland.
If you are living in Germany at that time, it seems like you are winning as life is normal. You hear of the battles on the front, but all the killing etc is far from home
however the Prussian high command realised they had lost and wisely decided to surrender (Armistice which we celebrated 4 days ago) while Germany is unaffected.
But the common people don't understand that if the army had not surrendered on 11 Nov 1918, the war would have dragged on to 1919 with Germany's definite defeat.
so started the myth of the "stab in the back" -- for an ordinary German, that's the only explanation for why Germany should surrender when German troops are occupying neighboring territory
the national sozialists etc. used this populist reasoning to win support
Germany in WWII needed to FEEL the pain of war and Dresden was the start of this.
The Germans suffered some pain, but they didn't suffer the hell that they put the blood lands (erstwhile Polish-lithuanian commonwealth) through.
And now German is militantly pacifist and its soldiers actually have to swear an oath to follow their conscience before commands.
Germany of 1944 needed Dresden as a wake up call. And that made the Germans of today different from the Germans of '44 -- utterly different
hence we cannot blame modern day Germans for the sins of the past
I appreciate your writing that. It is a very good input into the Dresden Raid. I totally understand what you are saying. Yes the Germans did not know what total war was until the bombs started teaching them what they had wrought on themselves. Thanks again.
I appreciate your writing that. It is a very good input into the Dresden Raid. I totally understand what you are saying. Yes the Germans did not know what total war was until the bombs started teaching them what they had wrought on themselves. Thanks again.
On that you and I are in agreement.
Poland lost 20% of it's population and lost 40% of its territories in the east and was physically moved west to the Oder-Neisse.
Every street in Warsaw has a sign here and there that says "at this spot in xy 1944, Nazis killed x number of Poles"
And the Jews were eliminated from Poland by the Nazis -- now my first encounter with this was Leon Uris' Mila 18. This is not quite true to fact -- many of the American jews and gentiles were quick to criticize a land they had not been to. In contrast Polish Jews like Szpilman (The Piano player) etc. were far more realistic
But to my point, the elimination of one entire section of the population has caused a trauma.
10% of pre-war Poland was Jewish. Everyone had Jewish friends or shopkeepers or dentists or doctors or employers or employees. And suddenly, all of that disappeared. A way of life disappeared
Pre-war Poland had Poles, Lithuanians, Ruthenians (Ukrainians and Belarussians), Tartars, Jews, Armenians etc.
But then the war and Stalin's ethnic shuffling made an artificially "pure" state.
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