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1 posted on 11/13/2012 1:39:45 PM PST by Kaslin
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There is simply no way these insurance exchanges can be up and running in little more than a year. Come 2014 many Americans will lose insurance from employers, find they cannot afford a private plan and make too much to qualify for Medicaid. With no exchange available they will be without health care coverage and then be faced with a fine as a result.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 1:52:02 PM PST by The Great RJ
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OBAMA-CARE IS CHIMP CHANGE..

The THEFT of a presidential election is NOT CHUMP CHANGE...
Obama-care, Bengazi even, a Marine Generals whoredom, are diversions from THE BIG STORY..

The BLOCKBUSTER.. a legendary poker “TELL”.. A heinous scandal.. The Conspiracy of Conspiracy’s...
The outright theft of a presidential election, in your face right out in the open.. OVERT..

Sedition and treason on a monumental scale.. Outrageous in it’s scope..
This scandal portends it’s been going on for years maybe decades..
Makes Obama-care disputes look like petty whining.. infantile grousing..

ALL media including Fox News is spiking it burying it(more or less)..
NOBODY wants to face the implications of it.. their faces turned(noses plugged) from the stink of it..

November 6th was the day VOTING DIED in the United States..
ALL OTHER STORYS are entertainment, mere dalliances, comedy relief..

OPEN YOUR NOSE TAKE A WHIFF OF IT... if you’ve the courage..


3 posted on 11/13/2012 2:09:19 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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my best friend owns a company here on Maui that employs 100 people. He told me a few days ago his company's days are numbered. His book keeping dept told him that soon when Obamacare kicks in this next year he will have to pay an additional $2500 per employee to stay legal. Do the math, that is $250,000 more cost to him next year and he said he has not made a profit in the last two to three years as it is. This will put him under and there will be 100 more people on the unemployment list here on Maui. If this happens all over the US (and it is already started) our whole system will go under. No more America as we knew it. Since Hawaii voted over 70% for Obmama I'm sure a lot of his employees voted TO TGERMINATE THEIR OWN JOBS!!
5 posted on 11/13/2012 2:22:08 PM PST by fish hawk
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....as far as citizens are concerned, the exchange will be a federal office building somewhere with a phone number, and you'll call, and you'll find out what you have to do to be legal and have your insurance and how much it's gonna cost you and what the fine options are. Or you can go there and stand in line like you do at the DMV. I venture to say that over half the population has no idea what's in store for them. But there will be no recourse now....

....So January 1st, 2014, the employer mandate kicks in, and it requires bosses with 50 or more people full time, to provide the government-designed health plan or pay a fine. "The government plan is so expensive, it adds $1.79 per hour to the cost of a full-time employee"....

....To avoid the costly mandate, some employers will push workers into part-time status. Other employers will opt for the fine. Either way, workers lose their on-the-job coverage." You're either gonna be converted to part-time or you're not gonna be covered and your company will pay the fine because it's cheaper than insuring you. Even worse then that, they risk losing their jobs. Even the fine is 98 cents an hour to the cost of labor. So to insure every employee, a buck seventy nine an hour, to pay the fine, 98 cents an hour, and that's enough to make some employers cut back on their workforce....

....As many as a third of employers, according to research, are considering canceling coverage totally. This is the result of a survey done by McKinsey & Co., which is a management consultant group. They are hired by businesses to help run in a streamlined way, make corporate hires, executive hires, decisions, and so forth. Now, that doesn't mean that you'll be uninsured. You just won't have the choice. If your employer cancels coverage, you're out the window. When you file your taxes -- this is also part of Obamacare that is now Realville -- when you file your taxes, you're gonna have to show proof that you are enrolled in the one-size-fits-all plan approved by the federal government. It's mandatory starting January 1st, 2014....

....If you don't do what Obamacare mandates that you do January 1, 2014, if you don't have mandated insurance, they are going to withhold your tax refund. And there is a brand-new form that you have to fill out in addition to your 10-whatever just for this. If you have been going without insurance or if your employer drops coverage, your options will be enrolling in Medicaid if you're eligible or buying a government-approved health plan at your local state exchange. Again, go through this: "When you file your taxes, you will have to show proof that you are enrolled in the one-size-fits-all plan approved by the federal government. It’s mandatory, starting Jan. 1, 2014," about 13 or 14 months from now. If you don't, "the IRS will withhold your refund," so the government gets paid your fine....

...."In most states, exchanges will be an 800 number, a Web site and a government office, like the DMV." But there's a little light at the end of the tunnel for some of you. "People with household incomes up to $92,200 will be eligible for a subsidy." Yes, your neighbors will pay part of your health insurance if you make $92,200 or less! (interruption) Of course it's welfare!

"Let me give you statistic. If you make $60,000 a year, you're in the top 10% of wage earners in this country. If you're at $60,000 or up, you're in the top 10%. Remember that the next time you hear 'em talk about the rich. So the $92,200 salary, how many of you aren't earning that but would like to? That's a lot of money, and yet it qualifies for a subsidy. If you make less than that, your neighbors will make up whatever you can't pay.

"If you’re a senior or a baby boomer," which means if you're aged or intending on becoming aged, "expect less care than in the past. Cuts to future Medicare funding pay for more than half the Obama health law." Obama cut $716 billion from Medicare. Romney and Ryan tried to explain this during the campaign: $716 billion has been cut from Medicare. Well, that's for the poor. That money's gone....

....Even if you have a private plan from Cigna or Aetna and you paid for it yourself, the federal government will have some say over your doctors’ decisions, with an eye toward reducing health-care consumption." The federal government wants fewer people going to the doctor or the hospital every day....

...."If you sell your house and make a profit, you’ll likely be paying a new 3.8% tax on the gain. The law includes about half a trillion dollars in tax hikes, including a new 3.8% tax on gains from selling any asset, including your home, small business, stocks or bonds, effective Jan. 1, 2013." It's effective next January, not 2014. That's effective in two months. "That’s on top of capital-gains taxes and applies to any profit that pushes your income over $200,000." You pay an additional 3.8% over a capital gains tax that's already gonna go up as part of Taxmageddon from 15% to 20% and maybe to 25%. This is Realville now.

Ping for analysis (and planning) later.

8 posted on 11/13/2012 3:19:45 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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Bump


10 posted on 11/13/2012 3:28:55 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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Well, we had to pass the bill to read the bill. So I guess the next step is to implement the bill before we know how to implement it.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 3:40:56 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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If the moose-limbs get a pass then everyone else should get one too.

equal protection. (reah, right...)


22 posted on 11/13/2012 5:22:28 PM PST by bitt (The buck rolls downhill.)
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Obama is going to buy healthcare for his young brown voters and keep them alive while he lets the old white conservatives die off without medical care. Demographics my butt, we are screwed.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 5:31:28 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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So, a person buys insurance on April 14th. He has proof he bought it. He cancels the day he gets his refund.

It’s really scary that people who are so stupid can vote. I guess their next protest will be against everyone who eats at Papa John’s Pizza. They will protest people not willing to pay the higher prices. That’s how little they understand simple math.

Finally, if people are out of work, and there will be more and more, and don’t have insurance, how does the government collect the fine?


24 posted on 11/13/2012 5:37:16 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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Michael Savage has identified several loop holes.
1. One option is to become Amish, Mennonite, Christian Scientist or Muslim - get membership in a religious group that doesn’t believe in medical insurance, and you have an out.
2. Be too poor to pay the fine - they cannot penalize you if you qualify for programs for the very poor. Then don’t buy the insurance, even if offered a subsidy.
3. Join a Christian medical bill sharing ministry, which is considered insurance in the US though Tennessee recently ruled it is not. Medishare is one.


29 posted on 11/13/2012 6:29:52 PM PST by tbw2
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God help us all...


31 posted on 11/13/2012 11:14:50 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...

God help us all...


32 posted on 11/13/2012 11:15:20 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...

God help us all...


33 posted on 11/13/2012 11:16:19 PM PST by nutmeg
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I wonder what clever euphemism they'll come up with for
"obamacare genocide," as was done in the same spirit as the
expression "affordable healthcare act."
35 posted on 11/14/2012 1:06:25 AM PST by clearcarbon
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for later


41 posted on 11/14/2012 9:29:19 AM PST by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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Yes. They wanted it to be chaos. They wanted to make things so bad and so complicated that people demand government run healthcare.


43 posted on 11/14/2012 11:02:33 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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The Left is quivering with excitement that they are about to be able to kill off everybody older than 75, the sick and handicapped. Not to mention that it is very freeing for the sex addicts to be able to indulge themselves and force contraceptives and abortions on the women. That whole contraception/abortion thing is for the sex trade, not for “women's health.”
50 posted on 11/14/2012 1:57:31 PM PST by Missouri gal
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If enough companies stop hiring or start laying people off to avoid dealing with the ACA, the next logical step for a government run by progressives would be to impose some sort of moratorium on employers to prohibit them from doing just that.

Is that far-fetched?

52 posted on 11/14/2012 3:32:01 PM PST by GSWarrior
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