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Republicans in Congress should let Obama have his way
RedState.com ^ | November 7th, 2012 at 01:58 AM | Mike DeVine

Posted on 11/12/2012 8:02:13 AM PST by newgeezer

The only hope for an America that would reward such epic failure by re-electing Obama and a Democratic Senate, is to accelerate their re-education in the consequences of liberal Democrat economic policies.

Speaker John Boehner should announce that he has heard the voice of the people and will honor that voice by letting the President’s agenda be fully enacted so that there will be no doubt who owns the economy. We can’t obstruct enough to make a difference in the natural outcome of events, so why strain at gnats?

Let us make clear that we are doing this out of respect for the vote to re-hire Obama and to let the people have what they voted for. It took many decades to produce such an electorate and if the Titanic liberal culture can ever be turned around, it will only be after hard lessons are learned and the voters can easily assign blame.

I say, let’s get out of the way and let Americans have it all now, while some may still have a faint memory of the jewel of what was, and so might have a chance of choosing to return to Liberty rather than devolving into Third World status.

This lobster seems to need to feel an even greater boiling water heat. They chose it. Let them have it all. Reason doesn’t work with these people. They are beyond those appeals.

Time for tough love. Let the teenagers drive the car unrestricted and maybe we can recover after the inevitable car gets wrapped around the tree.

America now resembles the guy that jumped off the Empire State building only to decide to reverse course after descending to the 25th floor. He must suffer the natural consequences of his irrational acts before he can act to improve his lot.

Let them eat totalitarianism.



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Sounds good to me. I'm finished trying to educate the willfully ignorant masses. Let them eat totalitarianism. Besides, I'm just a pilgrim passing through this realm.

(Any earlier post of this article wasn't tagged with the Keyword, "Congress" and FR's Search doesn't work at all for me at the moment; I just get a blank screen, no matter what I search for.)

1 posted on 11/12/2012 8:02:21 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: newgeezer

Last time I checked, the House holds the pursestrings to the entire government.

Defund Idiotcare. Block amnesty. Obama is going to self-destruct on his own with fuel prices, food prices, a loss in AFG, the economy, unemployment, and increased terrorism on our shores.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 8:08:25 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: newgeezer

I agree. I think they need to give him his economic ideas. I would try to minimize the defense cuts to a more reasonable level, but let him implement and own the decline.


3 posted on 11/12/2012 8:08:25 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: newgeezer

Sounds good on paper but if Obama voters were capable of learning from consequences they would have learned already.
History is full of nations that allowed dictators and despots have full reign. But yet no lessons are learned and we keep trying the same old insanity.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 8:09:42 AM PST by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: newgeezer

I would agree with him if no conservatives lived in the US. But allowing Obama to have his way will cause as much harm to conservatives as to the liberals who caused it. So until then the House of Reps should curtail all his and his Dem cohorts requested spending


5 posted on 11/12/2012 8:10:09 AM PST by chuckee
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To: newgeezer

The last think we want to give Obama is bipartisan cover. That will kill the GOP for good.


6 posted on 11/12/2012 8:14:09 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: newgeezer

Cloward Piven strategy.


7 posted on 11/12/2012 8:18:36 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: dfwgator
The last think we want to give Obama is bipartisan cover. That will kill the GOP for good.

Which is precisely why every member of the GOP should abstain on every vote. It's the only way to kill liberal totalitarianism for good.

8 posted on 11/12/2012 8:21:10 AM PST by newgeezer ("... no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." --Rom. 13:1)
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To: dfwgator

I agree. Give Obama and Reid everything for which they will be held accountable.

Let them OWN the disaster that will ensue.


9 posted on 11/12/2012 8:21:15 AM PST by mwl8787
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To: newgeezer

Half of me says let him have it and own it; the other half wants to continue the fight on every front we still can.

With all the personal and business losses I’ve had over the last 13mos, and now this on Nov 6th, I’m still “up on the ledge”. I need to get a better grip. I’m working on it.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 8:23:47 AM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: newgeezer

“John Boehner should announce that he has heard the voice of the people...”

John Boehner should announce that he has heard the voice of George Soros.


11 posted on 11/12/2012 8:24:05 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: newgeezer

IOW, vote “Present”, I like that.


12 posted on 11/12/2012 8:24:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: newgeezer

I totally agree. Why should Republicans take the blame for being obstructionists. Obama is president, let him lead. American’s lusted for Obama, give them Obama!

I’m going Gault and will pick up the pieces after the economic car is wrapped around the tree.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 8:24:52 AM PST by Obadiah (Americans lusted for Obama. Give them Obama! Everything he Constitutionally asks for.)
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To: mwl8787

it’s does not matter , if the GOP make a deal ,Obama will just throw away the GOP part like he did several times already


14 posted on 11/12/2012 8:25:06 AM PST by molson209
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To: newgeezer

0bama will lead America into Civil War. Let him.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 8:27:34 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obadiah

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-one-hour-meltdown.html

Interesting. You use “economic car”, the guy in the blog above uses a bus as an analogy.

In his “bus” are the people of the country. The bus goes faster and faster, and the road gets icier and icier. It’s headed toward a hairpin curve.

Some ask to get off the bus, and some stay on the bus, because it’s [currently] warmer.
Those getting off the bus may survive, IF they are wearing the proper cold weather gear.
Those staying on the bus will plunge to their deaths.


16 posted on 11/12/2012 8:29:13 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: newgeezer

The ONLY thing Republicans must not give 0bama his way on is repealing term limits for his Presidency via Executive Order.


17 posted on 11/12/2012 8:29:31 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Mortrey

Confucius say; “Never trust old man who must be tan”


18 posted on 11/12/2012 8:32:31 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: mwl8787
I agree. Give Obama and Reid everything for which they will be held accountable.

The second part of your statement is the key. They should be held accountable if we give them their way and the system crashes. I fear they will not be held accountable, either by the media or the electorate. The 'Rats will find someone else to blame (Republicans, Bush, Tea Party, etc.) for their failure. The media will give them cover. The sheeple will buy it because the 'Rats "care" and want to give them free stuff like Obamaphones and food stamps.

It's a no-win situation for the 'Pubs. They are going to be blamed if they go along and the society collapses, or if they fight (i.e., "obstructionists"). But, knowing you're going to catch hell no matter what you do can be strangely liberating. You already know you're screwed, so you might as well do what you think is best (fight, or go along) and say to hell with it. All I would do in that case is take as many 'Rats down as I could before they get me. Then pick up the pieces (if you're still around).

19 posted on 11/12/2012 8:32:52 AM PST by chimera
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To: newgeezer

Let them have their way and America will forever remember that a republican house did it.


20 posted on 11/12/2012 8:34:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: newgeezer

I think they need to let things come to a vote and then all republicans should abstain and let the things pass with only democrat votes.


21 posted on 11/12/2012 8:43:52 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: dfwgator
The last think we want to give Obama is bipartisan cover. That will kill the GOP for good.

Agreed, but I am sympathetic to the author's strategy. Follow the Sen. Obama strategy and ABSTAIN: can't be accused of obstruction or support.

22 posted on 11/12/2012 8:44:55 AM PST by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: newgeezer

Not to “let Obama have his way”, but show up (so as to form a quorum), vote “present”, and let the Democrats all vote for the measure, with not one Republican vote in support.

There is a law in place, passed by both the House and Senate, and signed by the President in his official capacity, which allows the tax rates to revert to those that existed before the “Bush tax cuts”, and also requiring sequesteration of allocation of funds for the operations of the Federal Government at a flat rate up and down the line.

The temporary reduction in the payroll deduction for FICA also reverts from 5.65% to 7.65%, and that seems to be on track. At least nobody is talking about it.

If Republicans are supposed to be the “do-nothing” party, then perform your duty, and “do nothing” to help this farce.


23 posted on 11/12/2012 8:45:55 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: newgeezer

There is no dishonor in standing up and fighting Obama for the next two years and getting voted out by an immoral electorate.

If the GOP rolls over and gives Obama what he wants, there will be no reason to choose a Republican over a Democrat.


24 posted on 11/12/2012 8:46:43 AM PST by CASchack
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To: newgeezer

Yup, let’s kill the dog to get rid of the fleas.


25 posted on 11/12/2012 8:52:26 AM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: newgeezer
No. If the Democrats had their way we'd all be dead. They have no intention of letting us ever wield power again.

Ever.

Every Marxist claque that has ever taken over a nation has killed its opposition. Why should we think this group would be any different?

26 posted on 11/12/2012 8:52:47 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: ilgipper
obama, his lickspittles and the cheerleading press will never own failure. All blame will be foisted upon Conservatives and the slave owners who signed those old outdated documents.
27 posted on 11/12/2012 8:56:32 AM PST by shove_it ( The 0bama regime are the people Orwell and Rand warned us about.)
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To: newgeezer

They should vote present that way they did not support or obstruct. Obama voted that way all the time so libs can hardly complain. When the wealthy leave and jobs get more scarce, it will be owned by Obama. The end will be the same one way or the other so the sooner it fails the sooner we can pick up the pieces.


28 posted on 11/12/2012 9:03:56 AM PST by nclaurel
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To: MissMagnolia

The problem is that by killing the dog the fleas simply do what fleas do and flee — to another host.


29 posted on 11/12/2012 9:04:12 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: dfwgator

Exactly right. Say no to bipartisan nonsense. Let the takers own it.

Keep the military strong and let the rest destroy itself.


30 posted on 11/12/2012 9:05:52 AM PST by soycd
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To: mc5cents

I left off the ‘sarc’ tag.


31 posted on 11/12/2012 9:08:04 AM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: MissMagnolia
Yup, let’s kill the dog to get rid of the fleas.

Fleas? Yeah, right. Many years ago this dog had fleas.

You still want to treat terminal cancer with a flea bath.

32 posted on 11/12/2012 9:17:53 AM PST by newgeezer ("... no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." --Rom. 13:1)
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To: newgeezer

People even here apparently have no clue or understanding that a despotic Marxist tyranny - unopposed, is PERMANENT?

That multiple MILLIONS of their own people die via starvation, killing and imprisonment at their hands?

That NEVER AGAIN do a people have a voice in their future?

Letting this regime have what they want as some kind of teaching tool for the masses to suffer their choice - is woeful ignorance of how and what will actually happen.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 9:22:56 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: newgeezer
One reason to not give the president is the budget process

Just a quick recap. The president can only sign what goes on his desk, which comes from the Senate, which came from the Congress. It takes five years in for spending and policy to make the final stages of approval.

For instance, money is proposed for a major construction by the Joint Chiefs of Staff/DoD, and it sent to the Congress. This goes into the list of items for approval. If approved, it is given a funding date in the future four years from now. Next year, and each of the following years it is subject to cuts, or it may live on without a dime being spent. After five years, the money is approved by the Congress.

This process goes from Agencies to the Congress, to the Senate, and hopefully to the President. It goes up, it goes down. With each trip up or down through the House or Senate, it changes.

There is no way in hell any sane person would just give him what he wants. He only has four years - hence the beauty of the GAO and the budget process.

The mere fact that this sitting President has FAILED TO SECURE A BUDGET means that he is at the first year. Anything that this President wants in a Budget can and may very well be cut by the follow on administration.

So that same sense of honor should have allowed GW Bush to have his way? I think not, as the voters have made clear that a divided government is in their best interests.

34 posted on 11/12/2012 9:31:42 AM PST by Jumper
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To: snowrip

Obama is going to self-destruct on his own with fuel prices, food prices, a loss in AFG, the economy, unemployment, and increased terrorism on our shores.

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Did you write this before this past election? Because it’s obvious these things mean nothing and will not affect Obama.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 9:38:08 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine

Well said.

I predicted the economy, gas prices, and housing market would sink Baraq.

I was completely wrong.

The demographic trend is killing us I believe.

“Our” voters are dying off being replaced by groups that vote 70% plus Democrat.


36 posted on 11/12/2012 9:40:53 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: nascarnation
the economy, gas prices, and housing market would sink Baraq

Only if those things were actually causing privation. Due to entitlements, the economy doesn't affect people and cause them to act.

The only thing that's going to reset this is the inability of the gov't to deliver these entitlements, ie, the "safety net".

37 posted on 11/12/2012 9:43:57 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: newgeezer

This the fundamental difference between the rats and GOP. When the rats lose, they get even nastier and fight dirtier. They stopped Bushs reforms dead when he had a clearer mandate in 04 then Zero has today. Before last Tuesday, Reid was promising to refuse to work with Romney if he won.
Instead we are going to roll over and give them everything they want. They have been getting everything in places like Detroit and Philly for a generation, didit teach them a lesson?

Nope the house should move ahead with their own agenda, THAT WAS a clearer referendum then Zeros win. If it means 4 years of grid lock, so much the better.. THAT’S what the nation voted for Tuesday.


38 posted on 11/12/2012 9:45:36 AM PST by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: MrB

Yes in many respects the whole country is like that family in 2007 riding a wave of false prosperity based on maxxed out credit cards and helocs on a house with negative equity.

Instead of two leased SUVs and a McMansion it’s a full menu of entitlements.

I wish I had some insight on when it will implode...


39 posted on 11/12/2012 9:49:32 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: DungeonMaster

ping


40 posted on 11/12/2012 9:54:15 AM PST by newgeezer ("... no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." --Rom. 13:1)
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To: mwl8787
Let them OWN the disaster that will ensue.

That would result in an economic collapse, and a never ending third term.

41 posted on 11/12/2012 9:54:35 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: newgeezer; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...

Full Surrender?

I understand the logic (frustration) behind this but unfortunately Republicans control the House so they must sign on to anything that gets to Obama’s desk.
It was painful to watch Paul Ryan deny he supported the debt limit cuts when he is on tape praising that bill as a victory, so this wont work either.

The only way to do this practically if it was desirable, and I am not saying it is, is to have enough Republicans resign in the House to give it back to Pelosi.

Just as a vanity I warned here about the risks of Rs taking control of the House January 2011. It was obvious that O would make them the scapegoats for everything, and he did. It made beating O much harder, although it could have been used more effectively than it was to Romneys favor.


42 posted on 11/12/2012 10:10:23 AM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: newgeezer

Funny, I was thinking the same thing ..


43 posted on 11/12/2012 10:17:10 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: sickoflibs
Republicans control the House so they must sign on to anything that gets to Obama’s desk.

Not at all. They can abstain from voting. Speaker Boehner should have no trouble convincing his minions to do so.

Only problem is, it could be political suicide. And the "statesmen" we elect to Congress these days care a hell of a lot more about re-election than they ever will about the future of the nation.

44 posted on 11/12/2012 10:22:55 AM PST by newgeezer ("... no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." --Rom. 13:1)
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To: autumnraine

If the current trends continue: gas will be at $8/gallon, food prices will be up another 30% or more, and we’ll be at somewhere north of 12% unemployment (and probably closer to 21-22% total or U6 unemployment) with another stagnant RE market.

Combine that with being beaten in AFG, a precipitous stock market drop when the yuan becomes the new global currency, a 40-60% increase in health insurance premiums and a couple more Benghazigates (or worse, another attack here at home), and I think that should be sufficient to reach enough voters to beat Hitlery.

This is assuming we have another election, of course, and assuming that the idiots in the House don’t agree to amnesty... which will guarantee that no more republicans will win another seat anywhere, ever.


45 posted on 11/12/2012 10:24:48 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: ilgipper

I agree. Sick of BO blaming on Bush. Who is he blaming “the mess he inherited” on this time? He needs to own it lock, stock and barrel.


46 posted on 11/12/2012 10:25:32 AM PST by dandiegirl
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To: snowrip
Last time I checked, the House holds the pursestrings to the entire government.

Then how did we add at least $2 trillion in debt over the last two years that GOP has controlled the House?

47 posted on 11/12/2012 10:38:46 AM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: vanilla swirl
Exactly correct, and why should people on food stamps worry about the price of food, why should people who are unemployed getting a government unemployment check worry about the cost of gas, why should people who get free health care and free transportation to the free health care worry about the cost of health care, why should people who are getting free housing worry about the cost of housing, why should people getting free cell phones worry about the cost of cell phones, etc, etc, etc, etc. They don't need to worry about it!
48 posted on 11/12/2012 10:43:31 AM PST by Guardian Sebastian
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To: newgeezer; sickoflibs
Speaker John Boehner should announce that he has heard the voice of the people and will honor that voice by letting the President’s agenda be fully enacted so that there will be no doubt who owns the economy. We can’t obstruct enough to make a difference in the natural outcome of events, so why strain at gnats?

He's right. If we effect ONE little change the liberal's butt boys at the New York Times would pin the whole disaster on us. Dems cheated to win - let them own the mess. Our job is to change the corrupt voting system and do everything we can to bankrupt the MSM. Anything other than that is a waste of time. When those two things are done, we can talk.

49 posted on 11/12/2012 10:45:49 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: snowrip

Why help them? Our job for now is to protect the right to vote. Dem lowlifes have decided stealing the vote is cool. That’s what we need to stop. After dems have destroyed and bankrupted the country we can fix it if a free voting system is protected. That’s got to be our issue - our only issue.


50 posted on 11/12/2012 10:54:08 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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