Boehner's GOP Problems Complicate Deficit Negotiations (Stop "negotiations" and let it crash)

ABC ^ | 11/10/2012 | By JOHN PARKINSON

[tobyhill]

House Speaker John Boehner is about to begin another attempt at a grand bargain deficit reduction deal with President Obama, a high wire act in which he will be buffeted by demands from the White House as well as from House Republicans.

The difficulty of keeping in step with the hard line approach of his fellow Republicans has been on view since the presidential election.

On Thursday, Boehner told ABC News' Diane Sawyer that repealing Obamacare was no longer his party's strategy saying, "Obamacare is the law of the land" and the election settled the dispute over repeal.

Shortly after his comment was aired, Boehner put out a tweet saying, "ObamaCare is law of the land, but it is raising costs & threatening jobs. Our goal has been, and will remain, #fullrepeal."

During that interview, the Speaker also told Sawyer that comprehensive immigration reform is a top priority in his legislative agenda during the next Congress. Republicans within his conference, like Rep. John Fleming, were livid.

[Dr. Sivana]

“When the Speaker of the House says Obamacare is the Law of the Land, that speaks volumes.”

Duh it is...

I don’t like it.. it sux big time, but it was passed.

"Duh" yourself. The court chalenges have only begun, and Boehner and company have the purse strings to make the so-called law a dead letter by withholding funding. They are afraid to shut down the gov., for fear of the affect on their popularity and loss of elections. Not taking a stand, and ignoring the message of 2010 cost plenty as well. Now we are stuck with the stimulus budget extended into the foreseeable future.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Yo Sicko, old Ray76 here said this is bad when Boehner suggested Obama should lead.”

Sorry Ray, that is a recipe for disaster. Old John has shown himself not capable of that, and I am not saying its an easy task either.

Dems insisted on the tax cut timebomb, ‘Bush tax cuts are bad’, even though they extended them in 2010.

Republicans insisted on the delayed spending cuts, even though they denied it later (great way to look serious)

Obama won a decent electoral victory and Dems are joyous as those here were in 2004.
SOOOO Make Obama own it,

Look, GWB won a big victory in 2004 and Pelosi spent the next 4 years destroying his legacy, successfully.
Why do we get this big crying Teddy bear who loses every fight? We need a Republican Pelosi fighter(I have posted that here dozens of times.)

[fieldmarshaldj]

We need a Republican LBJ, unquestionably one of the most effective leaders of either chamber in the past century.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”We need a Republican LBJ, unquestionably one of the most effective leaders of either chamber in the past century.”

I got mine : Scott Walker. No one in the GOP compares with him, He kicks LBJs butt.

[dfwgator]

Walker or Bust! There’s a reason the Rats targeted him, they know he will be their worst nightmare, so they needed to try to kill him in the womb.

[EBH]

No offense Mike_9958, but get a grip. The economy is going to tank. They are right on schedule for the overthrow. It is over...right over the cliff.

History is repeating itself, except this time it is the soft revolution of dependency politics.

Instead of complaining about it being painful...help your kids, family, and friends prepare. The America we knew ...she ain’t coming back.

[dfwgator]

No reason the GOP has to give Obama his bipartisan cover.

[mike_9958]

“Save the economy under O and then you got two term Dem POTUSes who will be seen as a success and one two term Republican POTUS who will be seen as a failure. That will be the end.”

I don’t buy that, not anymore. In this last election we had a President by all observations was a failure. He didn’t run on his record, yet he won. (At least it appears that way) So the converse would be possible, a success could lose as well.

I’m not a big believer in issue campaigns anymore because besides us on FR and a few million more no one knows squat about how this country works or who its leaders are.

And I’m not pinning my hopes on the media telling a story that will paint Obama as any thing but a victim he things don’t go well.

I’d rather hope and pray for impeachment rather than suffer through a collapse and hope Obama gets blamed for it. Because really we have unemployment of over 15%, incomes are going down, the standard of living is going down, gas prices have tripled and everything is just great....

If we get a collapse I’d put money Congress will get the blame.

[sickoflibs]

RE “Walker or Bust! There’s a reason the Rats targeted him, they know he will be their worst nightmare, so they needed to try to kill him in the womb.”

LOL, I was thinking the same thing.

He looks and sounds good, he doesn't say stupid sounding things in interviews. He knows how to win big battles, his moves against Dems in WI were brilliant. He divided them and lured them into his trap and nuked them. Even Obama stayed clear of that fight regardless of WI Dems cries for his help.
The GOP has no-one I know of like him.

If the GOP puts up another obvious loser like Romney and then says "You have no choice as he's not as bad as the other guy" the outcome should be no surprise,.

[BlackElk]

Well, I am not an "Occupy" moron or any other kind of moron but I am damn sick and tired of literally every issue taking a back seat to the cuddling and coddling of folks who have benefited greatly from very generous tax cuts under Reagan and the Bushes but are usually downright hostile to social conservatives.

I have no general desire to raise anyone's taxes. OTOH, we have Boehner expressing himself to Diane Sawyer as willing to raise taxes by eliminating "loopholes" but not to raise rates on the big shots. What does that mean? Are we going to witness the spectacle of the Speaker proposing an end to such "loopholes" as mortgage interest deductions on the modest homes of ordinary Americans? They already scrapped the "loophole" for credit card interest in TEFRA in 1986. Just what "loopholes" do they have in mind?

My economics are, no doubt, more populist than the economics of many conservatives. I never deny that. I don't like gimmicks like "flat tax" or "fair tax" or scrapping popular election of senators or a number of other strange causes that have attracted interest here. My idea of a "flat tax" or a "fair tax" is rooted in the Connecticut I grew up in and lived in most of my life. We had a sales tax and a capital gains tax and a dividend tax but NO tax on wages or salaries (no tax inflicted on a kid flipping burgers at Mickey D's and no tax on the CEO of the Aetna and the Travelers' and Electric Boat and Colt and Sikorsky. The state capitol stooges enacted a personal income tax in 1971. I helped lead a tax revolt that cleaned that disgrace off the books and repealed it before a nickel could be collected. The state income tax was not again enacted until 1991 under Weicker and that effectively ended Connecticut as an acceptable place to live.

If that makes me an "Occupy" moron, so be it. Otherwise, thanks for your kind words. I do almost always enjoy your posts.

[sickoflibs]

RE “Save the economy under O and then you got two term Dem POTUSes who will be seen as a success and one two term Republican POTUS who will be seen as a failure. That will be the end.”
.....
I don’t buy that, not anymore. In this last election we had a President by all observations was a failure. He didn’t run on his record, yet he won. (At least it appears that way) So the converse would be possible, a success could lose as well.”

Save Obama and you got this as an argument:

1) Republicans saved the economy under President Clinton
2) Republicans killed the economy under President Bush
3) Republicans saved the economy under President Obama

So vote in another Republican so...

And it will be repeated here over and over.
We need to be spared that loser.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”I’d rather hope and pray for impeachment rather...”

So far your prayers that Romney will beat O didnt help much and impeachment is much a longer shot than that,.

Like I said, Reid and Bohner wont touch it.

[mike_9958]

“There is nothing good about “reaching agreement” (i. e. surrender) to Obama on amnesty.Whether Boehner is naive or intentionally playing political games that sacrifice our future, I don’t want him to be Speaker.”

So if there is nothing good about reaching an agreement you’d rather have constant conflict and have Congress take the blame? Because you know Obama will not take any ownership and MSM will not pin it on him. That doesn’t sound like it will help the GOP at all, it might make you feel good though.

And personally I don’t care who is Speaker but I want the bashing of elected Republicans to stop. Interpretations and perspectives, and quotes with no context that seem to render judgement happens too frequently to be constructive. If we conservatives are going to make a change I doubt we will do it by calling our elected Republicans names, and who would listen to that garbage.

Promote better ideas and plans, talk of strategies to get the messages out - that would be alittle more helpful than calling Boehner boner....

[Irish Eyes]

someone said that Boehner was drunk when he came out on the stage at the end of the convention...

If so he may be under the influence a lot and should not be Speaker...

we need a clear headed intelligent Speaker of the House who will make decisions in OUR interests...

BS!

[sickoflibs]

RE :”If we get a collapse I’d put money Congress will get the blame.”

Well I can see how you think that since so far they made sure that they would get the blame for every standoff by saying stupid stuff in front of camera. "Yeh man, shut it down" then they cave anyway.

Now if Dems had to say:
‘Republicans killed the economy under POTUS Obama’
then at least they would sound as stupid as Republicans do when they make similar arguments/

[sickoflibs]

HA_HA, try:

Save Obama and you got this as an argument:

1) Republicans saved the economy under President Clinton
2) Dems killed the economy under President Bush
3) Republicans saved the economy under President Obama

So vote in another Republican so...#2????

[fieldmarshaldj]

Well, I’m the one who urged sacking Willard at the convention in favor of Walker (despite more than a few yahoos on here who mocked such a notion). Watch as the establishment tries to shove that big tub of guts Christie on us for 2016.

[BlackElk]

I am not dimwitted enough to waste time and energy attempting an "actual conversation about the issues" with anyone so lacking in rationality as to imagine that your favorite whore Boehner is fit to be a GOP leader or Cantor or McCarthy.

"Let's Make a Deal" is not a conservative manifesto now or ever.

I also would not waste time sitting in on meetings of the weepy whore from Ohio. His waterworksness deserves no time or attention from conservatives any more than our nearby disgrace Dennis Hastert did. Damned straight these are my opinions and they are opinions formed by decades of political involvement, a sense of amazement as to how reliably Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy pucker up to autosmooch Obozo's backside and that of the detestable GOP-E folks except as to Obozo's passion for afflicting the comfortable.

Speaking of people buying crap as fact, you GOP-E enthusiasts who take any old POS at all (Romney, McCain, Dole, Bush the Elder, Boehner, etc.) so long as he, she or it is a GOP POS, sure did a spiffy job in this year's election. With 23 Demonrats up for re-election and 10 GOP seats, the GOP-E geniuses managed to lose several seats net and to re-elect (through issue cowardice and all purpose pathological and misplaced knee-jerk politeness and niceness) Obozo himself despite a track record of Obozo which was even worse than that of Sniffles Boehner.

BTW, that is my Savior's name you are taking in vain. My faith is in Him and NOT in the sorry likes of Boehner. The next time you and I will be allied will be, ummmmm, NEVER!

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Watch as the establishment tries to shove that big tub of guts Christie on us for 2016.”

Same thought here.
But Christie is probably not as natural at lying as Romney was so he would have trouble lying his way through the primary as Mitt did. He tends to say what he thinks, or appears to. And he looks terrible on stage,.
Romney is just a blow-up doll with no core values that we could tell, The fantasy here was that he could be controlled AFTER he won. But by who?

Christie was Coulter’s first pick.

[mike_9958]

“Republicans killed the economy under President Bush”

If your going by congresses the dems killed the economy under Bush.....

Anyway it doesn’t matter the media will say it your way anyway. Remember the dems lie their asses off. If your marketing a candidate you really don’t care about results with a good number of the electorate, and the the half you lie too.

This election was eye opening. A guy won who was an abject failure. Every traditional indicator said he should of lost. Over 50% of the country doesn’t want ObamaCare, yet he still won. The nation actually turned a guy down who wasn’t a career politician.

Personally I say screw the optics / politics and do what the people who voted for you would do - that’s pretty simple. The nation is pretty conservative hopefully our reps will understand that. Elections are not based on results / records, their based on perceptions.