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Boehner's GOP Problems Complicate Deficit Negotiations (Stop "negotiations" and let it crash)
ABC ^ | 11/10/2012 | By JOHN PARKINSON

Posted on 11/10/2012 10:48:06 AM PST by tobyhill

House Speaker John Boehner is about to begin another attempt at a grand bargain deficit reduction deal with President Obama, a high wire act in which he will be buffeted by demands from the White House as well as from House Republicans.

The difficulty of keeping in step with the hard line approach of his fellow Republicans has been on view since the presidential election.

On Thursday, Boehner told ABC News' Diane Sawyer that repealing Obamacare was no longer his party's strategy saying, "Obamacare is the law of the land" and the election settled the dispute over repeal.

Shortly after his comment was aired, Boehner put out a tweet saying, "ObamaCare is law of the land, but it is raising costs & threatening jobs. Our goal has been, and will remain, #fullrepeal."

During that interview, the Speaker also told Sawyer that comprehensive immigration reform is a top priority in his legislative agenda during the next Congress. Republicans within his conference, like Rep. John Fleming, were livid.

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1 posted on 11/10/2012 10:48:10 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

“Negotiations” over the past 80 years have brought us to national bankruptcy and imminent massive social unrest when the bennies stop flowing.

How I wish our “leaders” had balls.


2 posted on 11/10/2012 10:50:11 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: tobyhill

Certainly. We have to suffer some time. Let’s do it while the democrats get the blame. That’s one bright—or not totally dim—spot in the elections: conservatives can no longer be blamed for events that are inevitable.


3 posted on 11/10/2012 10:51:20 AM PST by jammer
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To: tobyhill

Is it too late to get rid of this idiot as speaker? Anyone else stepping up to the plate?


4 posted on 11/10/2012 10:54:15 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: tobyhill
Its all up to the GOP House now, according to the media. They need to "negotiate". Any negative results & ramifications belong to them. The Kenyan Kommie & democrats remain pristine.

What a surprise.

5 posted on 11/10/2012 10:54:15 AM PST by skeeter
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Boehner has no right to be Speaker. His lousy state never gives the Republicans a win, so why is he a “leader”? Lead your own state first, and then you can lead others. No one who comes from an Obama state should be in a leadership post.


6 posted on 11/10/2012 10:58:41 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: tobyhill

If there are any real Republicans in the House (and that remains to be seen) their biggest job is to keep Boehner from giving away the store until they can replace him with almost anyone else.

Just about any Reublican in the House would be better than what we have now for Speaker.


7 posted on 11/10/2012 10:58:49 AM PST by Venturer
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To: tobyhill

After looking at all the facts and fraud and wondering why the Republicans do nothing, I do wonder if this is not a “rope a dope” strategy. If Romney got in, would he be able to fix things? Perhaps a little, but we would go back to partisan bickering and party line votes and be back in the same place, just a few more years out.

There are some animals that if given enough food will eat themselves to death. We all know socialism/communism fails, we all know Keynesian economics fails as well. So now they own this, we should give them everything they want, all the rope they need. The sooner the system collapses, the sooner we can rebuild with proper capitalistic principles, without the encumbrances by the left idiocy. This will be painful, but that seems to be the only way to educate the masses.


8 posted on 11/10/2012 11:02:24 AM PST by voveo
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To: tobyhill

Boehner again presents the Republican Party image: IMPOTENCE!


9 posted on 11/10/2012 11:10:30 AM PST by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: tobyhill
1st order of business.

Elect Paul Ryan for Speaker.

10 posted on 11/10/2012 11:12:51 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: skeeter
Bingo. This is the trope from the mainstream media (you know, that place where the majority of Americans get their information from); the GOP wants to work with President Obama, but extremists hell-bent on destroying the United States of America, the Tea Party Caucus specifically, refuses to negotiate anything owing to their ideological extremism. That's exactly how the MSM is going to spin it (along with the White House and the Democratic Party as well). And the American voter, currently busy watching "American Idol" and "Dancing With The Stars" or whatever, will certainly remember the GOP and their determination to destroy the USA. For you 'Star Trek' fanboys (and fangirls!) this is your Kobayashi Maru. The no-win scenario, the Hobson's Choice. And yes, they do happen in real life......especially in politics. "Let it burn!" you say.....by all means, but remember, the GOP will be blamed directly, NOT President Obama or the Democrats. And if you have in mind such silliness as "Well, no-one listens to the MSM anymore!" I'd like to ask you who's the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue until 2016? On the other hand, if the GOP leadership compromises, well, they can kiss a large segment of the conservative base goodbye. Like I said, this is the GOP's Kobayashi Maru. Times like this make me quite content to be a humble English teacher. Good luck in 2014.
11 posted on 11/10/2012 11:14:23 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: tobyhill

I wonder how much longer that Conservatives will see that they are considered by the GOP as useful idiots that are only useful to get Republicans elected and then are no longer useful.

Everything we all just voted for is going to be flushed down the toilet by the people you supported and elected. We all just have to shut up and take it, because the very same two parties know that the things that we actually want will put them out of business if enacted— and that ain’t ever gonna happen.

I went Independent after 2008, but I continued to vote mostly for Republicans “because they had a chance of winning.” What good is it for us if the people we vote for win and then betray us EVERY SINGLE TIME?

This was my last wasted vote for things I didn’t believe would actually happen, anyway.

The GOP can go to hell.


12 posted on 11/10/2012 11:15:43 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Ranger Warrior

remember the deals the GOP made with Obama not too long ago , Obama signed them ,then ripped out the GOP parts and feed them to Boehner


13 posted on 11/10/2012 11:17:00 AM PST by molson209
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To: ScottfromNJ

I’ll admit that the crying and blubbering is getting old; as well as the golf dates with Obama (I’ll admit, I don’t know how many he’s had.) - I can understand the crying ONCE, but now is the time for it to STOP! - Will someone please show Boehner a map showing the red counties that reveal the truth; the cesspool cities on the very fringe coasts of this country gave Obama his “victory”. - Tell him to vote “present” and let the Democrats have their way without the help of RINO votes which only give the Democrats “bipartisan” cover for crashing and ruining this country! No one has been more “friendly” to illegal immigrants than McCain; look where that got him.


14 posted on 11/10/2012 11:17:52 AM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: ScottfromNJ

Let the Boehner bashing begin !!!!!

No one is stepping up to the plate and it’s not because John has a stranglehold on the congress like Pelosi did - NO ONE WANTS THE %$#! JOB.

Any of you Boehner bashing bozos want his job then run for congress... else try a little support or constructive help, or better yet how about bashing Obama and Reid = the ones who really are the bad actors here.


15 posted on 11/10/2012 11:27:27 AM PST by mike_9958
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To: voveo

Rope a dope. Boehner’s not that smart. He should be fetching coffee.


16 posted on 11/10/2012 11:30:21 AM PST by Ray76 ("We're ready to be led" - John Boehner, leader of the opposition)
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To: tobyhill
Why is everybody teeing off on Boehner? If he is the elected speaker he is the only leader we have in government. Why do you want to shoot our only leader?

That being said, Reid had promised that the senate would not be able to work with Romney if elected. I think Boehner should take the position that he is going to run the house exactly the way that Reid runs the senate. If Reid won't compromise, neither will Boehner.
No increase in the debt ceiling, let all non essential government services be shut down. If their are not essential we can't afford them. Do this until a legitimate budget is passed. Fiscal cliff is just what is needed to focus everyone's attention.

The fiscal cliff is minor compared to sequestration which is very minor compared to the Armageddon of the national debt.

17 posted on 11/10/2012 11:30:33 AM PST by oldbrowser (Welcome to U.S.Zimbabwe)
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To: mike_9958

When the opposition leader says “We’re ready to be led” - WHO NEEDS HIM?


18 posted on 11/10/2012 11:33:02 AM PST by Ray76 ("We're ready to be led" - John Boehner, leader of the opposition)
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To: tobyhill

“DON’T DO ANYTHING!”

I hear ‘ya brother - it’s gonna’ crash sooner or later - may as well be now with Zero “in charge”


19 posted on 11/10/2012 11:33:26 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: mike_9958

“Let the Boehner bashing begin !!!!!”

With pleasure.


20 posted on 11/10/2012 11:37:16 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: tobyhill
I'm with you... let them have it.. let them run it into the ground...

Look I'm a survivor...I think most Conservatives are.. we take care of ourselves ... we try to help others...but you can't save fools a bent on destroying themselves and you with them....

Their a jaundice alcoholic with a failing liver headed to skid row and they want another bottle ..and flipped you the bird for saying "stop!"

The first 4 Obama years were Americas fall...we are now going in to Americas winter...

There no stopping them now... they are going to tax and burn thought the country's core seed capital...fast...and then it all collapses hard... we cried, we yelled, we pleaded we begged for them to listen... and they didn't

21 posted on 11/10/2012 11:48:09 AM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: oldbrowser

I don’t know why everyone’s so down on Boehner. Look at the debacle that took place for the GOP on Election Day, and realize that he’s the only prominent Republican in Washington who still had his job when he woke up on Wednesday.


22 posted on 11/10/2012 11:51:31 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: tobyhill

Im with you. Following some conservatives on twitter is sort of sad. Pollyanna idealists who think the power of ideas wins over free crap. You can’t win against free crap. LET IT BURN.


23 posted on 11/10/2012 12:01:31 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: Ray76

“When the opposition leader says “We’re ready to be led””

So you are another conservative who gets cues from the democrats - brilliant


24 posted on 11/10/2012 12:05:58 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: ScottfromNJ

““Let the Boehner bashing begin !!!!!”

With pleasure.”

This is what I would expect from a democrat.

are you another troll ?


25 posted on 11/10/2012 12:07:36 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s only because the Democrats didn’t want the House, if they really wanted to win back the House they would have....but now they have a convenient scapegoat when things go bad.


26 posted on 11/10/2012 12:10:41 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: mike_9958

What is your point?

On Wednesday Boehner said “We’re ready to be led”

How is that “cues from the democrats”?

What are you talking about?


27 posted on 11/10/2012 12:13:43 PM PST by Ray76 ("We're ready to be led" - John Boehner, leader of the opposition)
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To: tobyhill

Almost every time Boehner opens his mouth he demonstrates why he should not be Speaker. He has no business at all blabbering away about giving up on repeal of Obamacare, and especially not saying that immigration reform is a priority.

Those are issues to be decided by the Republican House members as a whole, and not anything to be dictated by a speaker or any other member. All he’s doing is showing what a coward he is and how easily he caves at the first opportunity after the election. Republicans in the House don’t have to go along with any of that and he should keep his mouth shut if that’s all he knows to say.


28 posted on 11/10/2012 12:17:57 PM PST by Will88
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To: dfwgator

That’s an interesting theory. Wouldn’t it have been easier for them to give up control of the Senate? For that matter, didn’t they blame Republicans anyway back in 2009-10 when the Democrats controlled the White House and both Houses of Congress for two years?


29 posted on 11/10/2012 12:21:24 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: ScottfromNJ

Agreed...The press seems to be using him to emphasize rep. weakness.


30 posted on 11/10/2012 12:25:02 PM PST by Therapsid (Communism has killed 50-60 Million people in only 50 yrs.)
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To: mike_9958
We wouldn’t have to bash Crybaby Boehner if he would get a spine and stand up to Obama. May I remind you, Obama is not king and the GOP still is the majority in the House which is the chamber that is supposed to represent the will of the people.
If the will of the GOP is to cave on everything, as they always do, then I would much rather put candidates against them and the Democrats in an election, not just run against them in primaries.
31 posted on 11/10/2012 12:28:00 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

I agree. Do nothing. Let all the Bush tax cuts expire. Let the young people who have been working with these tax cuts their whole life see what they would have to pay without Bush. Let all the gays who wanted to be married start paying the marriage penalty.

We might as well rip off the Bandaid fast instead of staggering on with liberal’s illusions and an ever-failing economy.


32 posted on 11/10/2012 12:30:20 PM PST by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: angry elephant
I know we will nose dive into a recession and possibly a depression but we can't let our government continue spending what we don't have.
33 posted on 11/10/2012 12:35:03 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

They have to extend the debt ceiling (as they already passed a budget) but I agree with you on the other stuff, That one they would surely get blamed for.

Let the cuts go into effect and the taxes go up and every House member needs to get o n TV and say that this is what Obama had planned.


34 posted on 11/10/2012 12:47:59 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Boehner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: mike_9958

“are you another troll ?”

Since when did RINO bashers become trolls?

Are you an amnesty supporting RINO like Boehner?


35 posted on 11/10/2012 12:48:07 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: tobyhill; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
During that interview, the Speaker Boehner also told Sawyer that comprehensive immigration reform is a top priority in his legislative agenda during the next Congress. Republicans within his conference, like Rep. John Fleming, were livid.
“I'm concerned that Speaker Boehner is getting ahead of House Republicans when he commits to getting a ‘comprehensive approach’ to immigration taken care of ‘once and for all.’ There's been zero discussion of this issue within the conference, and I'm urging the Speaker to talk with House Republicans before making pledges on the national news,” Fleming, R-La., blasted in a statement. “The Speaker needs to pull back on this issue and stop negotiating in public
.”

Doesn't the next congress get to vote to choose their leadership in January? Boehner should have booted back in 2009 as I said at the time, better now than never.

36 posted on 11/10/2012 12:53:35 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Boehner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: tobyhill

Complete non-cooperation. Burn down the house


37 posted on 11/10/2012 1:01:05 PM PST by Lexington Green (Massive voter fraud - A stolen election)
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To: tobyhill

Shut it all down John, don’t fund anything, EPA, DHS, TSA, Obamacare, all of it. Just say NO! D.C. needs to just close for business. Complete gridlock. Who cares who the MSM blames, we all know the MSM will blame anybody but the long legged mack Daddy anyhow.


38 posted on 11/10/2012 1:13:35 PM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: tobyhill

The left, living as they do in the land where Skittles and Tea reliably come out of the arse of unicorns while they leap over rainbows, wants the GOP to compromise that just this once, two plus two does not equal four.

Any member of Congress who agrees to such a compromise with reality has disqualified themselves from office.


39 posted on 11/10/2012 2:08:27 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: sickoflibs; tobyhill; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
Richmeister sez: "The Bonester! Bonerama, sellin' out!"


40 posted on 11/10/2012 2:09:01 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: angry elephant

I say let these bastards drown on thier own in thier own swill


41 posted on 11/10/2012 3:07:16 PM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: ScottfromNJ
"Is it too late to get rid of this idiot as speaker? Anyone else stepping up to the plate?"

It's time all of us Republicans grow up, quit whining & face reality.

Our Leadership in Congress & Senate (our CEO's) have failed us AGAIN.

In any company in the country, heads would roll & a COMPLETELY NEW TEAM would be put in charge.

Our congressmen/women & senators should demand to vote for new leadership,. There are many talented people that could give us a fresh approach & get the job done. It's time for MUTINY!!

The RAT party is singing the same old song - the Latinos hate us & we hate them. How about we want those borders closed because terrorists from anywhere in the world can come to this country to accomplish their mission. Latinos are not the only ones crossing that border. They are not going to sort out the Latinos from the rest of us!! We'll all die together.

Time to phone, email & agitate our own congress people to step up to the plate for us & we'll stand behind them.

This is something ALL of us have to do to change the status quo.

42 posted on 11/10/2012 3:26:46 PM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: Ray76

What are you talking about?

Ray you gotta start at the beginning if you want sense


43 posted on 11/10/2012 3:35:28 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: ScottfromNJ

“Since when did RINO bashers become trolls?”

It is hard to tell when folks that are bashing elected Republicans are not democratic trolls when you’re sitting on this side of the monitor.

It’s like your bashing all the conservative constituents that voted for him, rather than just disagreeing with him on particular issues.

And no I’m not a big Amnesty fan... wasn’t happy when Reagan did it either.


44 posted on 11/10/2012 3:42:14 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: txrefugee
No one who comes from an Obama state should be in a leadership post.

Excellent point.

45 posted on 11/10/2012 3:58:29 PM PST by jammer
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To: Alberta's Child; oldbrowser; mike_9958; Tennessee Nana; Finny; Colonel_Flagg; Dr. Sivana; ...
Alberta's Child:

Let me help you understand WHY everyone's so down on Boehner.

1. Do you admire "men" who actually weep over politics in public instead of fighting the bastards he was elected to fight? If so, Boehner's that (sort of) "man."

2. Do you care about the babies and want to stop the slaughter? Boehner does not care. The babies don't cough up cash to "leadership."

3. Do you think gun ownership under the Second Amendment is a major priority for the GOP and our government? Boehner could not care less. Again, most gun guys don't create Super PACs to fund Boehner and $$$ is all that counts.

4. Is marriage an institution of one MAN and one WOMAN per marriage? What evidence is there that this is a Boehner priority? Don't you really think that Boehner would not care if folks want to marry space aliens or engage in twelvesomes or "marry" their household pets so long as the campaign contributions are fat enough from the perverts.

5. Do you think that the overriding be-all and end-all issue of American society in our time is preserving the tax privileges of the upper class even at the expense of causing ruinous tax increases on Americans of ordinary and modest means? Boehner does. As Willie Sutton used to say as an excuse for robbing banks, "That's where the MONEY is."

6. Do you think that veteran conservative (i.e., unlike Weepy John Boehner) GOP Congressmen should be purged by primaries arranged from Washington by out of state corrupt financing as a punishment for publicly requesting of Boehner that he call Congress into session last December for the sole purpose of enacting a resolution vowing no more debt limit increases to serve Obozo's agenda???? That is what Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy arranged to defeat my Congressman Don Manzullo and replacing him with a whore like Adam Kinzinger in an uber-GOP district. Kinzinger's qualification??? Kinzinger is a knee-jerk lap dog for the $$$$ obsessed brainless windtunnel totally unprincipled "leaders" in the House. Boehner thinks that if there are 236 GOP Congresscritters they should all be lock-step Boehner surrender-alikes.

7. Now, Boehner just can't wait to pucker up to go on autosmooch for Obozo's backside in service to the same corrupt interests that provide both sides with megabucks to screw over the general public. For Boehner, the purpose of this exercise is $$$ and only $$$ and to "party on!"

Those are just a few reasons why so many are totally fed up with the sorry excuses for "leadership" that infest the upper reaches of the House GOP.

Plenty more available on request!

Dump Boehner and Cantor and McCarthy and replace with actual conservatives who give a damn about all of those issues that are not related to further spoiling of the $$$$ privileged.

46 posted on 11/10/2012 3:58:29 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: tobyhill

“We wouldn’t have to bash Crybaby Boehner if he would get a spine and stand up to Obama. “

Be specific will ya, you are simple parroting what others say, and it really doesn’t make sense. Apparently you feel comfortable in the group of people that like to bash elected Republican congressmen.

Who’s your congress person Ace... are they the Speaker ?

There’s a fine line that I think folks cross that separates Democratic trolls bashing Republicans and Conservatives bashing Republicans. How do YOU know the difference ?


47 posted on 11/10/2012 4:04:58 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: BlackElk; Alberta's Child; oldbrowser; Tennessee Nana; Finny; Colonel_Flagg; Dr. Sivana

Oh for Christsake are you that dimwitted to produce a document that simply spouts what looks like your opinions without any shred of legislative proof.

Look at that crap: just take number one:
“1. Do you admire “men” who actually weep over politics in public instead of fighting the bastards he was elected to fight? If so, Boehner’s that (sort of) “man.””

This is all your opinion... Do you sit in his meetings ? Do know for a fact that he’s not fighting ? Did he weep over politics ?

WHAT the heck is wrong with you - or better where are you from - some back room democratic blog room ?

Listen go market your trash to the poor unfortunates with Obamaphones that buy the crap your peddling and buy this crap as fact.

If your interested in an actual conversation about the issues then get serious!


48 posted on 11/10/2012 4:19:20 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: tobyhill

Booze bucket Boehner needs to be kicked to the curb and replaced by Paul Ryan.


49 posted on 11/10/2012 4:20:49 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: jammer
conservatives can no longer be blamed for events that are inevitable.

In a sane world, yes.

However

In THIS world, conservatives will be blamed no matter what happens, whose fault, time of day, cause, or effect. If it would potentially make dems look bad, it will be conservative's fault.

Bank on it.

50 posted on 11/10/2012 4:27:24 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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