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Ron Paul: "Election shows U.S. 'far gone'"
Washington Times ^ | 11/8/2012 | Stephan Dinan

Posted on 11/08/2012 11:27:49 AM PST by GlockThe Vote

Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP, said in the wake of this week's elections that the country has already veered over the fiscal cliff and he sees no chance of righting ship in a country where too many people are dependent on government.

"We're so far gone. We're over the cliff," the Texas Republican told Bloomberg Television's "In the Loop" program. "We cannot get enough people in Congress in the next 5-10 years who will do wise things." The video can be seen at http://www.bloomberg.com/video/ron-paul-on-fiscal-cliff-and-vows-to-compromise-MYkAiqYBTaiHwXZL9Tvxkw.html.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho2012; entitlements; ronpaul; taxandspend
FYI - I voted for Ron Paul in the primary but RR in the general election.

He is dead right in this article.

It may be too late.

1 posted on 11/08/2012 11:27:52 AM PST by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote

Prep.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 11:29:18 AM PST by Pete (Check out an 11 year old entrepreneur: boodlies.com)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Rep. Ron Paul.

You are PART OF THE PROBLEM.

You are a big reason obama was re-elected.

You could not bring yourself to support and help Romney. Millions of your followers stayed home.

I am sure you feel pretty smug about yourself.

Now we have obama for 4 more year.

NOW YOU CAN SHUT THE F*CK UP.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 11:30:34 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Pete

I did and do. Im in NYC and my prepping saved my butt with over a week without power.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 11:30:45 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Too bad he’s dead wrong on the Islamic extremists who definitely do wish to see us DEAD and the USA and Israel wiped off the face of the earth!!


5 posted on 11/08/2012 11:31:38 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Eff Ron Paul. He sat this out and threw tacit support behind Gary Johnson, possibly costing us a state or two.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 11:33:41 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Oh I agree w that. He has no basis to say this IMHO but he is right about the math.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 11:37:42 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

F YOU RON PAUL!!! You’re a sore loser who put your selfishness of your “principles” first.instead or the survival of the Republic! Thats why we’re lost! Go to hell you old bastard!


8 posted on 11/08/2012 11:37:53 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: GlockThe Vote

It is never too late. This is making me mad now. Sure I felt a little sorry for the conservative cause but it is time to lick our wounds and move on. There is plenty to do. We lost the election ourselves. Don’t think for a minute that the Republicans chose their candidate. The dems did it for us. Do you really believe that Gloria Allred ruined it for Cain right before the primary because she was doing us a favor? She was getting rid of a threat to Obama. Our candidates were eliminated one by one until the only one left was the one Obama wanted to run against. We get upset that Obama leads his flock around by the nose but he did the same thing to us. He led us right to Romney. Wake up and learn from the mistakes we made. Never again.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 11:38:15 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: Jim Robinson

That’s what I just posted on another thread. His fiscal stances are right, he is on the wrong side of security and doesn’t admit the evil in the world.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 11:39:57 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: GlockThe Vote

The same political party that pushes global warming to a cult-like fervor on the basis of almost no legitimate research denies the immediate catastrophic rush to an economic fireball that is based on evidence and numbers that everyone agrees are accurate.

We are so f@cked.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 11:40:35 AM PST by Cyman
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To: GlockThe Vote
Paul could have actually had a positive influence.

Had he gotten behind RR; with the understanding “we will be holding you accountable”; he might have done something other than functioned as a sideshow.

12 posted on 11/08/2012 11:41:26 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Paul would probably make a great Treasury Secretary if given freedom to go through the Fed Reserve.

Other than that, he could keep his opinions on foreign policy to himself.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 11:43:42 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: 2banana

Ron Paul is right.

I voted for neither Romney nor Obama.

Because it would make little difference in the short run and no difference in the long run.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 11:54:02 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: GlockThe Vote
But you can't have a budgetary solution if you don't change what the role of government should be. As long as you think we have to police the world and run this welfare state, all we are going to argue about is who will get the loot."

It's come to this. I can only work with what I can control - less of MY loot going into the pot.

15 posted on 11/08/2012 11:55:48 AM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: 2banana

Don’t be so silly. I am not a Ron Paul voter, he wouldn’t make a good President, and is right on SOME but not all issues. But he didn’t cost anyone any election. Of course that won’t stop 15 nitwits from screaming about me being a Paulbot...which is about ten miles from the truth. Anyway,If he had wanted to do that, he would have RAN HIMSELF as a 3rd or Libertarian...and he CERTAINLY could have done that. He probably would have matched Perot. But he didn’t.

Fat boy Christie did ten times the damage Ron Paul did...who really didn’t do ANYTHING anyone noticed.

And the reality is, even though I wanted Romney to win, and voted for him, and THOUGHT he was going to win, the GOP establishment is NOT going to do anything to REALLY fix any of these problems. Bush did almost everything OBama is doing, only Obama hit the GAS PEDAL with Nitro to the cliff.

But we were RIDING ON THE BUS TO THE CLIFF ALL ALONG and the GOP didn’t do a THING to stop it.

All of these stupid arguments on cuts that are so SMALL they don’t mean ANYTHING to the big problem. They SOUND big...500 million here or there.

A 500 million dollar cut is like talking about Mark Cuban not eating a freaking taco one day to “save money” he is worth a BILLION dollars and cutting a taco.....really?

So while I wish Romney had one, it really was like putting a bandaid on a slashed artery. Its just no one wants to hear it....and it may NOT be fixable by anyone at this point. The only thing keeping us from Greece now is being the biggest military on Earth....and we see how that turned out for ROME.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 11:56:49 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: GlockThe Vote

If the Republican Party had nominated Ron Paul instead of Mitt Romney, at least a few percent of Obama voters would have voted for Paul instead, and Paul would have won.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 11:58:37 AM PST by grundle
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To: Rusty0604
"That’s what I just posted on another thread. His fiscal stances are right, he is on the wrong side of security and doesn’t admit the evil in the world."

Most of the "evil" in the world is right here in our own country.

18 posted on 11/08/2012 12:00:43 PM PST by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Godebert

The white liberal progressive left out of NYC, Chicago, L.A. and the media complex they control is far more dangerous to our future than anything else IMHO


19 posted on 11/08/2012 12:11:04 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Almost as dangerous as the cowardly republicans who allowed the Usurper to be installed into office.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 12:13:49 PM PST by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: 2banana

You owe Glock an apology. He said right in his post that he voted for RR. Romney/Ryan.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 12:21:29 PM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: 2banana

Obama was ‘relected’ for many reasons, including the forced selection of the candidate Mitt Romney by a very very corrupt GOP leadership.

This leadership gave the people a choice between a socialist and a marxist. Both are communist systems, and are the reason why the polls always split 50/50 between the two people. It guaranteed that with a little effort, and the GOP knows this from the last 20 years of democrat party election fraud, that its easy enough to flip a few votes back to Obama and give him the lead. If you don’t think votes were flipped then search back on this forum you’ll see articles posted.

Take the blame where it should go. The republican party was taken over by democrats changing their affiliation to republican since the Clinton era where they did it wholesale. It is not a party of the republic, nor its citizens any more.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 12:36:50 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: sanjuanbob

I think the power was shouting at Paul himself not me.

Either way people are really upset and I get it.

Personally I was pissed off that Romney did not adopt more of Paul’s positions on things like NDAA, real spending cuts, inflation, etc.

The problem is that Romney really didnt set a line in the sand like Paul would or could have.

I know tons of paulbots who were pissed off and stayed home because they sensed there was little difference between obama/romney on NDAA, war on drugs, spending, obamacare, etc etc.

Of course I voted for romney, but i think Paul would have done better getting young people out to vote for him.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 12:42:40 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote
They want the Fed to keep printing the money. And they don't believe that we've gone off the cliff or are close to going off the cliff.

That's the classic definition of how democracies fail - when the voters realize that they can vote money from the public treasury to themselves. When you have majority of such voters the democracy turns into a feeding frenzy of hyenas around the not yet dead body of the republic. Those of us who still have hopes are writhing with pain as lifeblood is sucked out of our businesses; but we cannot do anything. The Lumpenproletariat tasted our blood and he liked it. He is coming for more.

This is not an accident; it could happen only after decades of careful nurturing of the bottom feeders, of the lazy, of the welfare queens, of the ignorant, and of the stupid. It could never happen in a society that forces an able man to work or to die. Obama's siren call to join his social assistance programs is just the latest illustration. Once you have the critical mass, the man who controls the free food also controls the country.

As I said yesterday, conservatives (Ron Paul and others) are retiring or dying from old age. They are not being replaced because the younger generation is entirely brainwashed, if not already dependent on the government. The GOP will move to the left accordingly, just like it did in this election, to track the sentiments of an average voter. Make no mistake, today's political parties are not fighting for an idea - they are only fighting for power. True conservatives are seen as crazy (and Ron Paul is an illustration of that, when he is not actually crazy :-) This makes it impossible to elect a conservative leader - not today, and not in the future. Not until the voters' addiction to the government's food and care is broken. This can happen only after the government has no food to give out. Then the government falls; it's anyone's guess who will gain power at that point. It won't be pretty because the masses will be running around with torches and pitchforks, looking for someone who *will* give them free food that they require for survival. (Note that many of them cannot work at all, being illiterate and uneducated. Plenty of today's ghetto dwellers are already like that.) If you ask me, at that point half of the country will be facing an extinction event. Only foreign help - which always comes with strings attached - can save them.

24 posted on 11/08/2012 1:00:04 PM PST by Greysard
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To: GlockThe Vote

I did the same. I think we have been too far gone for some time, we just feel like we have confirmation of it now.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 1:02:24 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Another thought —it was more important to shut the Ron Paul people out of the process and appeal to some idiot demographic that regarded the hurricane as a major factor in their vote decision that they didn’t come to until the very last minute. Didn’t turn out too well — maybe we should try and embrace those that we can from that demographic. They aren’t a monolithic movement


26 posted on 11/08/2012 1:05:24 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Greysard

I live in NYC and am 37 years old self employed white guy. Trust me, i know.

I think we are finished TBH. I look around, see the crap people post on FB, see what walks around in the streets, etc.

I ask myself - “is this a population of people who prefer freedom or slavery?”

The answer is easy.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 1:06:03 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Ditto!!

You summed up my feelings exactly!


28 posted on 11/08/2012 1:06:13 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Very true! Well said!


29 posted on 11/08/2012 1:07:41 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: riri

Sarah Palin warned the GOP how many times to not shut Ron Paul out?

Palin and many others WARNED WARNED WARNED the Gop that disaster awaited if they shut out the Ron Paul demographic and some of his issues.

Guess what? Palin was right. Where was Romney on the NDAA? War on Drugs? Police State? Etc?

Answer - nowhere. Romney was the same as Obama on those things and the treatment of Paul at the convention made a few million paul voters to stay home.

Not me, I voted for RR.

However, if the GOP does not start adopting a more “PRO FREEDOM” agenda - we are finished.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 1:13:39 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Yep....he has got this right.


31 posted on 11/08/2012 1:24:57 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: GlockThe Vote

This thread shows WHY “we” lost the election...
America is on a commuter train to “GREECE”...
Through Spain.. with stops in France.. to pick up more morons..

continuing thru Switzerland to see what intelligent people “used” to look like.. on by Austria to get an additional dose of apathy.. before arriving at idiot central.. in Greece..


32 posted on 11/08/2012 1:31:19 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

I think we are on the edge of collapse personally.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 1:34:12 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

This.


34 posted on 11/08/2012 1:38:35 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: GlockThe Vote

[ I think we are on the edge of collapse personally. ]

if we are lucky.... could be our salvation...


35 posted on 11/08/2012 1:57:12 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: GlockThe Vote
It may be too late.

If we're where CA was in the mid-90s, it *is* too late.

36 posted on 11/08/2012 2:19:52 PM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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To: Age of Reason
I voted for neither Romney nor Obama.

Terrific! Another treasonous coward heard from.

37 posted on 11/08/2012 2:21:17 PM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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To: grundle
If the Republican Party had nominated Ron Paul instead of Mitt Romney, at least a few percent of Obama voters would have voted for Paul instead, and Paul would have won.

You are stoned. Paul had been running for decades and has never been more than a distraction.

38 posted on 11/08/2012 2:23:00 PM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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To: newzjunkey

I just think the demographics and math simply make for an impossible situation.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 2:25:56 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

TEA Party File.


40 posted on 11/08/2012 2:29:54 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: GlockThe Vote
Well, they closed Palin out too.

Where was Romney on the NDAA? War on Drugs? Police State? Etc?

Honestly, where was Romney on any issue? Can you even name one issue he grabbed by the horns? He talked vaguely about tax cuts and he wouldn't even talk to deeply about that issue because it would have been exploited as more evidence as his "only caring about the rich". He painted a beautiful Norman Rockwellesque sort of picture but those Ron Paul types knew it came replete with TSA agents reaching down their pants at airports and train stations.

Though, I have scorn for them too. Now, they still have those TSA agents reaching into their pants --and they are going to have a much lighter wallet, even more civil liberties lost and untold opportunity cost.

I see the GOP as a lost cause. Complete reform is what we need.

41 posted on 11/08/2012 2:48:57 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: hosepipe

Stealing to tweet. I’d give ya credit but I only have 160 characters. (:


42 posted on 11/08/2012 2:50:27 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri

So many things to hammer obama on went by with nothing at all.

I took a lot of flak for voting for Paul in the primary, and quite frankly, im still glad i did not for him in the primary.

Voting RR in the general was a no brainer, but unless we stop this bs w the nanny/police state we are never going to attract younger voters.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 2:56:51 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: newzjunkey

I don’t know about anyone else here at FR but your shenanigans is getting pretty old.


44 posted on 11/08/2012 4:12:09 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: GlockThe Vote

Good thing you all didn’t need us Ron Paul supporters on Tuesday. Yep, we left when we were shown the door, told to shut up and leave. We did you a favor by staying home or voting for Johnson or Goode or one of the other 3rd parties. And you don’t have to worry about us coming back, either. Nope, we won’t try to stink up your “big” tent with any of our nutty ideas about real small government and freedom or any of that other nonsense.

Seriously, I had forgotten I still had an active account here after leaving so many years ago. Maybe someone with mod privileges can do me a solid and cancel it.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 4:28:31 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

I am a ron paul supporter but voted for Romney. Getting obama out was my main priority, nothing else.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 5:52:57 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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