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Here it comes–a carbon tax
Wattsupwiththat ^

Posted on 11/08/2012 10:12:36 AM PST by chessplayer

Obama May Levy Carbon Tax to Cut the U.S. Deficit, HSBC Says


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obama wouldn't use so much as a penny of those monies to cut the deficit. He would use the monies to create new spending programs.
1 posted on 11/08/2012 10:12:39 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

FUBO.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 10:14:11 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: chessplayer

Without the House?


3 posted on 11/08/2012 10:14:35 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: chessplayer
Zer0 needs to talk to Art Laffer.

Seriously.

4 posted on 11/08/2012 10:15:19 AM PST by Paladin2 (.)
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To: chessplayer

When do we meet in Boston to start the rebellion? It only seems fitting to begin the fight where are ancestors did.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 10:15:56 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Jim Robinson

Harry Reid is going to use the 2009 Carbon Tax Bill that was passed. How the hell can you use legislation from the archives?


6 posted on 11/08/2012 10:16:32 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: chessplayer

Here comes funding of a World Government.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 10:16:39 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: chessplayer

He will cap every fireplace chimney in America, what will Santa Claus do then?


8 posted on 11/08/2012 10:16:45 AM PST by BipolarBob (I'm joining a Rastafarian cult group and moving to Jamaica.)
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To: chessplayer

talk about trying to create wealth out of thin air

All this will do is start a whole new faux useless unproductive industry of obama bundlers and enviro libs getting rich by selling other people the right to live, eat, stay warm, and work ... enviro-feudalism

I believe this “carbon exchange” is planned to be headquartered in Chicago

surprise


9 posted on 11/08/2012 10:16:53 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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So he is going to try and do this through EO and the EPA? Won’t it have to be called something besides a tax?...a fee?


10 posted on 11/08/2012 10:17:32 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: BipolarBob

Forget that fat old white cracker Santa Claus. Barak is the new Santa Claus, and he don’t need no dirty chimney.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 10:21:22 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: chessplayer
On a related subject a friend of mine who frequently flies cross country once asked this. If many carbon offsets and credits involve planting trees, where are these multi million tree new forests? He's never seen them.
12 posted on 11/08/2012 10:22:02 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: massgopguy

Harry Reid is a one man wrecking crew when it comes to constitutional government. Benedict Arnold-Marx Reid.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 10:23:53 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: chessplayer

Dear Lord, How in the world will I be able to keep the curse words at a minimum for the next four years? Please help me.

Maddie 10


14 posted on 11/08/2012 10:24:28 AM PST by madison10
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To: chessplayer

Takes money from the rich and gives it to the richer, while the rest of us suffer when what is left of the free market adjusts by raising prices on everything.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 10:24:32 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Jim Robinson

The House is led by Boehner. Need we say any more. Boehner is setting up the GOP to roll over on everything. He hasn’t got the guts to face down Reid or Obama.

A courageous House speaker would pass spending bills one by one and dare the Senate to kill them. A separate bill for Defence. A separate bill for Healthcare. A separate bill for social security. Etc., etc. A line item veto in reverse. Start with the departments that are most important to Republicans and tell Obama and Reid that the next spending bill won’t be debated in the House until the first one is passed and signed into law.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 10:24:49 AM PST by littleharbour
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I heard on TV yesterday....that the Nations debit can NOT be touched until UN employment gets to 6%

also heard from little Robert Reicht that a middle income tax will come and come soon...obama will do nothing less..so get ready Middle Class...

so guess I need to get rid of TV...nothing new on...

17 posted on 11/08/2012 10:27:20 AM PST by haircutter
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

“When do we meet in Boston to start the rebellion? It only seems fitting to begin the fight where are ancestors did.”

Given that the Bostonites have elected Fauxa-haunted-us, and also kept Dead Ted in office for years, seems we’d first have to destroy that den of idiots in order to save them.

I have no respect any longer for New England.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 10:27:33 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: chessplayer

Carbon tax, International Arms Treaty, global internet tax...


19 posted on 11/08/2012 10:29:18 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (The left has been at war with us...we have not been at war with them.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I got your carbon tax right here, Gilligan...
20 posted on 11/08/2012 10:30:14 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: chessplayer

How exactly would the President convince the House to vote for such a tax?


21 posted on 11/08/2012 10:30:21 AM PST by wideawake
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To: littleharbour

“A courageous House speaker would pass spending bills one by one and dare the Senate to kill them. A separate bill for Defence. A separate bill for Healthcare. A separate bill for social security. Etc., etc. A line item veto in reverse. Start with the departments that are most important to Republicans and tell Obama and Reid that the next spending bill won’t be debated in the House until the first one is passed and signed into law.”

Perfect! Love it! Won’t happen, unfortunately.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 10:31:35 AM PST by Josephat
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To: chessplayer

It’s so easy to despise the central socialist obama regime!

DOWN WITH OBAMA! DOWN WITH COMMUNIZING THE USA!


23 posted on 11/08/2012 10:34:08 AM PST by IbJensen ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 1)
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To: wideawake

See earlier post about the 2009 Carbon bill. They’d use an already existing piece of legislation and would interpret the ability to levy taxes from it.

Completely banana republic, which is what a majority of voters indicated they want this past Tuesday.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 10:34:31 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Jim Robinson
If the HR goes along with this, it will be a glaring sign that we really have lost the country.

It beats me why the HR has not shut down this administration already just by withdrawing funding since they have to approve such funding.

So what if the Dems try to blame HR for shutting down the government, they do it all the time NOW.

HEY!.....

..... if there are any House "staffers" watching FR, trot over to Boehnr's office and tell him to just say NO to any funding for the Exec branch save for what is absolutely necessary to keep people alive.

BTW...if there are any Freepers out there who can explain to me what precludes the HR from withdrawing funds from ANY branch of Govt...I would like to hear it....esp since there hasn't been an official budget for almost 4 years.

25 posted on 11/08/2012 10:35:30 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance.....)
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To: chessplayer
Everybody take a deep breath and relax. Obama couldn't get most of this crap through a democrat congress. He's not going to get it through a republican congress. And regardless of what Boehner says about cooperation (which is just for the press in my opinion), don't think for a moment that the Republican majority in the house didn't see what happened to Republican Politicians like Lugar that went along with democrats. They tend to like their jobs and don't want to be “primaried” in 2014. As for Obama trying backdoor regulations, he's free to try. But so far he's been shot down by the courts when he's tried....
26 posted on 11/08/2012 10:35:30 AM PST by apillar
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To: Jim Robinson
That was my thought also. Maybe there's some regulation or executive order, but people don't like their gas prices or commuting tickets toyed with.

And every good would be more expensive!

Yes, maybe the media would blame the rich oil companies, and Obama would end up giving away money to “the poor” to help them with the costs.

But I do think the public would begin to catch on. Maybe hopelessly naive given Tuesday's results. In any event, the runaway spending will end, one way or another. Probably in an ugly way, but it will end.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 10:38:24 AM PST by cvq3842 (Thanks for all responses, and flames, in advance.)
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To: Jim Robinson
You mean the Bonhner lead US House? Do you really think they'll stop what Zero wants?


28 posted on 11/08/2012 10:40:48 AM PST by CapnJack
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To: Crimson Elephant

If Congress does pass a bill, I’ll bet John Roberts finds a way to legitimize it. If you want to blame one person for Obama’s reelection, blame him. I hope he’s happy that he singlehandedly dismantled our republic. However, Obama will probably just do it with executive fiat, the way he’s done so many other times, or get the unelected EPA to issue an “order”.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 10:41:10 AM PST by NotTallTex
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To: littleharbour
A courageous House speaker would pass spending bills one by one and dare the Senate to kill them. A separate bill for Defence. A separate bill for Healthcare. A separate bill for social security. Etc., etc. A line item veto in reverse.

Yes. but, you don't need to be that courageous to do this, it is logical and within their practical power. Start parsing out legislation and fixing one department/issue budget at a time, and pass lots of it. Set the agenda Republican House because if you just stand there and play defense you will get booted out in 2 years.

30 posted on 11/08/2012 10:41:34 AM PST by polstar123
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To: apillar
I tend to agree. Obama is throwing a whole lot of cr*p at the wall, and most of it does not stick. But he can go a lot of damage, and has.

It won't be easy. But we have to be eternally vigilant.

31 posted on 11/08/2012 10:42:24 AM PST by cvq3842 (Thanks for all responses, and flames, in advance.)
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To: littleharbour

The House is led by Boehner. ............etc.....He hasn’t got the guts to face down Reid or Obama.
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Is the vote for Speaker open or closed?
Does one need 50+% or just enough to win?
Thought I had heard once before that they have to be ‘careful’ because the Speaker could be of the other party?

Anyway, maybe if the sitting Congressmen were put on notice - either get rid of this jerk or lose your own seat...

It is about time the the VOTERS flexed their muscles, some of these clowns get into office and FORGET they represent US, not themselves or special interests.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 10:42:24 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "Hope in one hand and $hiite in the other and see which fills up first".)
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To: chessplayer

Does it apply to the CO2 coming out of Chris Matthews’ mouth? If so the deficit should be gone by next Christmas.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 10:44:11 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: apillar

The 2009 Carbon Tax Bill is a House passed piece of legislation. It was passed in 2009.

Correcting my comment above, what would happen is Reid would put it up for a vote in the Senate, where it would pass. This is why he’s going to restrict the use of the filibuster. Once passed it would be signed by Obama.

Scary stuff. How many bills failed in the 2007 to 2011 Dem controlled House that could be ressurected and passed in this manner???


34 posted on 11/08/2012 10:46:47 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
Which 2009 Carbon Bill was this now?

If it is "existing" legislation, why is not an Act?

35 posted on 11/08/2012 11:02:43 AM PST by wideawake
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I'm having no luck tracking down this supposed Carbon Bill.

I find no evidence of it yet.

36 posted on 11/08/2012 11:07:49 AM PST by wideawake
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To: chessplayer

and you watch- Fox news WILL NOT hardly even mention the FACT that it’s a tax o nthe middle class nor will they confront hte president and ask him why he is levying this crippling tax on the middle class-


37 posted on 11/08/2012 11:10:05 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: wideawake; apillar; massgopguy; tanknetter
The closest I can find is the cap-and-trade bill, also known as ACES and as Waxman/Markey.

It was proposed as an alternative to an actual direct carbon tax.

I can find no other proposed act that specifies a direct carbon tax.

38 posted on 11/08/2012 11:12:12 AM PST by wideawake
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To: chessplayer

Carbon Tax? I guess I’ll have to do the crossword puzzles in ink instead of pencil.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 11:14:06 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: massgopguy
How the hell can you use legislation from the archives?

That's how they forced OBAMACARE on us.

40 posted on 11/08/2012 11:14:16 AM PST by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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To: tanknetter
The 2009 Carbon Tax Bill is a House passed piece of legislation. It was passed in 2009.

I'm no expert, but it's my understanding from way back in my high school civics days that a bill that hasn't been passed by both houses of congress dies at the end of that congressional term and would have to be started from scratch. So therefore, any carbon bill passed by the house in 2009 would have died after when that congress ended and the next congress took over in 2011.

41 posted on 11/08/2012 11:18:41 AM PST by apillar
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To: chessplayer

It is my belief that carbon trading is the reason O was pushed into the White House. It is a trillion dollar scam of the millenium. Between carbon tax, and carbon permits, and carbon credits, you have a means of total control and a fire-hose stream of money.

With that much power and that much money on the line, they will keep coming back until they get it. Any pretext is good enough.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 11:39:57 AM PST by marron
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To: chessplayer
Photobucket Get ready for Taxageddon....
43 posted on 11/08/2012 11:42:09 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: chessplayer

HSBC? What do they know except how to commit fraud?


44 posted on 11/08/2012 11:45:34 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: tanknetter

Guess I can buy some land with trees and get paid not to cut them down.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 11:59:07 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Crimson Elephant

There’s another name for it: theft.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 12:08:54 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: chessplayer

Obama can’t “levy” squat. Taxes have to come from Congress.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 12:09:21 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Jim Robinson

They’ll just pass a law saying the House vote is only a guideline and not mandatory to pass a new law. It will got to the Supreme Court and they’ll agree.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 12:14:41 PM PST by Portcall24
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

The trees were already being planted to replenish stocks that were cut down for wood. They were also sold for their carbon offset value. If they were sold multiple times it would be no surprise.

The whole program only makes sense in lala land.


49 posted on 11/08/2012 12:23:36 PM PST by willyd (Don't shoot, we're Republicans!)
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To: chessplayer
Ask the Aussis how they like their carbon tax which will cost Australians $20 billion to reduce CO2 from 1 molecule in 5.6 million molecules of air to 1 molecule in 6 million molecules of air. Check out the Galileo Movement website .
50 posted on 11/08/2012 12:51:59 PM PST by The Great RJ
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