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Conservatives who didn't vote? (Vanity)
11/8/2012 | Al Gore Vidal

Posted on 11/08/2012 8:32:03 AM PST by Al Gore Vidal

 

Part of me believes that the biggest reason for the Romney loss was because he could not get out the conservative vote, and all the FReepers who predicted this were right.
 
Having said that another part of me can't help but be mad at these people because they, in essence, helped to get Obama elected. 
 
But will these non-pragmatic conservatives now do the work to start there own party because they correctly see the Republican party as not truly conservative?
 
I'd like to be able to understand why they sat it out. And can a conservative who did sit it out for lack of ideological purity really be called a true conservative? If you actively and knowingly aid and abet Obama by helping him to get reelected how can you call yourself a conservative?
 
I just want to know how they justify themselves. 


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To: Al Gore Vidal

61 posted on 11/08/2012 9:33:10 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: AppyPappy

Here in TN, I did not sit out.

Romney handily carried the state. But I did NOT vote for him.

There was essentially no choice for me to choose from. I told the RNC, when Romney ‘clinched’ the nomination, that he would not have my vote. That he was nothing but Obama-lite. That he was a pro-abort, pro-gay-agenda socialist that happened to have an “R” by his name. Somehow that was supposed to make him ‘palatable’ enough to cast a vote for.

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

I told the RNC that if they wanted this conservatives vote, then they would have to run a conservative candidate. Period.

I told them that if they continued their drift to the left, that soon enough that GOP would become so isolated as to be irrelevant.

Seems like I may have been a trifle right.


62 posted on 11/08/2012 9:33:10 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Al Gore Vidal

Someone needs to do some SERIOUS research into WHY so many Repubs did not vote......

Those who didn’t vote at all because Romney was too liberal are like ones who would rather be executed than suffer a few lashes of the whip.....essentially, by not voting they did vote: for the destruction of our nation.

There will be no turning back from the results of:

* new Marxist Supreme Court judges
* Obamacare sealed for perpetuity - or until the nation collapses
* the financial collapse of the dollar and then the nation


63 posted on 11/08/2012 9:33:45 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Anyone who didn’t vote for Romney is directly responsible for the horrific consequences of four more years of unbridled Obama socialism/fascism. Pro-lifers who didn’t vote just got another four years of an openly avowed baby killing President. Same goes for guns. So, I agree with your post!


64 posted on 11/08/2012 9:37:38 AM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: Al Gore Vidal
I think any conservatives, Paul supporters, evangelicals; or whoever didn’t vote for Romney is a misguided fool.

Anyone who couldn’t see that Romney would have been vastly different and better than Obama is also a misguided fool.

People who want to sit in a “conservative” ivory tower had better wake up.
My goal is always to get a candidate as conservative as possible elected.

People forget that other people in the country have different opinions than we do. We need to get them to come our way as much as possible. If we insist in purity at the top of the ticket; we become just a cute, irrelevant sideshow.

65 posted on 11/08/2012 9:41:52 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: DannyTN
How we treat the poor is near and dear to God’s heart. Scripture repeatedly says He watches that.

He does, but he also doesn't expect government to do it. Read John 21:15-18 and observe carefully to whom Jesus is speaking. It's not Pontius Pilate.

66 posted on 11/08/2012 9:42:21 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: goldstategop

“Whether he won or lost didn’t matter much to me - as nothing much would change over the next four years, no matter who won the White House.”

You must have overlooked the Supreme Court appointees, i.e., Eric Holder and the other Socialists/Marxists that 0bama will put in there for the next 2 generations.

BUT you sure made your point and you taught the GOP a lesson!

Thanks for nothing.


67 posted on 11/08/2012 9:47:38 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: Shery

You can take a number and get in line behind the Marxists and rest of those who want to take the heads of Conservative Christians who vote based on their faith and principles.

The abject hatred and loathing I am reading here of faith-driven biblical Christians because their principles dictate their actions, is literally prophetic.

God’s judgment is on the nation - and deservedly so. Lukewarm Christianity lost us the culture - and as a direct result of compromising with sin - we lost the country.

Welcome to the new normal. Just like the period of the Judges in ancient Israel. The nation has rejected God. We’re not a theocracy, but now it is considered evil if a person is governed by God and refuses to compromise his values for expedience. Read Lamentations and comprehend what we have rightly earned for ourselves.

If not - if spittle and spew of hatred and rage against Conservative Christians keeps you warm at night - then join your comrades on the Left plotting the ouster and criminalization of the faith, and I’m sure you will feel right at home.


68 posted on 11/08/2012 9:48:47 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Admin Mod.....please remove “gop” from goldstategop’s name. /sarc


69 posted on 11/08/2012 9:49:04 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
I see scriptural mandates to individuals, churches and government and rulers. And the mandate to the government doesn't negate the mandate to the individual, any more than the mandate to the church negates the mandate to the individual. We are all held responsible.

Jer 22:15 Shalt thou reign, because thou closest [thyself] in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, [and] then [it was] well with him?Jer 22:16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then [it was] well [with him: was] not this to know me? saith the LORD.

70 posted on 11/08/2012 9:50:53 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Al Gore Vidal

The possibility of the shakeout of fawning elements in the politcal structure will come about quicker with unbridled socialist/corporatist leverage. Had Romney been elected this would have slowed, and much mischief could have resulted behind the scenes.
Compromise, abdication, and unstatesmanlike conduct will be measured now, with the higher level of electorate awareness, and galvanize those who desire better.
I am of the opinion that the purpose of God, to become Sovereign in the affairs of men through Christ, cannot be averted, and this is all precursory to His Advent. I will not be at all surprised should things not return to normalcy, as that would prevent the ushering in of this longed-for event.
For those ignorant of God’s plan to prove man incapable of ruling himself, or others, without His influence and Son, politics and voting will remain a false hope and a temporary panacea for their mortal disconnect. History has proven this hopeless endeavor never fails to fail.


71 posted on 11/08/2012 9:52:26 AM PST by 5cents
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To: Al Gore Vidal

Given the choice between Romneycare and Obamacare that didn’t really seem to be much of a choice. Pragmatism says that second midterm is generally a bloodbath for the party of the sitting president, and sitting VPs tend to get the nomination but don’t win the election. Better in the long run to strengthen GOP control of the House, gain control of the Senate, and hope an actual conservative gets the GOP nod in 2016.


72 posted on 11/08/2012 9:54:46 AM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: The Right Stuff
"Anyone who didn’t vote for Romney is directly responsible for the horrific consequences of four more years of unbridled Obama socialism/fascism. Pro-lifers who didn’t vote just got another four years of an openly avowed baby killing President. Same goes for guns. So, I agree with your post!"

Like Romney who wrote Romneycare and who's father said we should all listen to Alinsky, wouldn't have been 4 more years of socialism/fascism??? It would have just been GOP labeled.

And read WND's article on Romney being a weathervane on abortion. Romney wasn't any more likely than Obama to change things on abortion.

And did you notice the gun taxes that Romney put in place when he was Gov of Massachusetts?

Given a choice between GOP liberalism and Democrat liberalism, I'll choose third party thank you.

73 posted on 11/08/2012 9:55:31 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Al Gore Vidal

IF they sat it out, they will pay, just like those of us that stood in line. The figures pretty much show 14% of Repubs didn’t vote. My biggest disappointment is the Tea Party which has done NOTHING since the 2008 win. That alone should have made Obama lose ... but it didn’t happen. The Tea Party is Dead.


74 posted on 11/08/2012 9:57:41 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: DannyTN
"He judged the cause of the poor and needy". Yes, He did. But then what did he do? And who did it?

The history of the early church is replete with the members of the church providing individual relief themselves. Whether government has a role in this or not is a subject for debate, but the command to 'feed my sheep' was given to Peter and Acts 4:32-37 specifically names the members of the church as the provider of the means to help the needy.

75 posted on 11/08/2012 10:00:52 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: DannyTN
And read WND's article on Romney being a weathervane on abortion. Romney wasn't any more likely than Obama to change things on abortion.

By the way ... this is very well said.

76 posted on 11/08/2012 10:04:59 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: goldstategop

Pretty much with you except for this:

“Mitt Happens is a genuinely nice guy, but nice doesn’t win elections and he didn’t excite me.”

Beg to differ with you there. He is not a nice guy. He viciously destroyed better people in the primaries, then went from a Doberman Pinscher in the primaries to a Lhasa Apso in the general.

According to some apologists while he was governor he worked hard “within his church” to discourage abortions “within his church”, and was very devoted to this cause. This is at the same time he was enabling and subsidizing it amongst the “gentiles”. A bit of a Margaret Sanger thing going on there, and proves that he knows the practice is vile. To encourage your group to procreate to the limits at the same time you are encouraging -all- others to chop up their posterity and run them down the sink is not a nice guy. Rinse and repeat this for a few generations and look at the demographics. There is a consistency there, and it is an ugly consistency.

Romney is an unctuous facade. Behind the facade is a pure void. Is Obama worse? Perhaps, but he is less competent and is the enemy at the gate instead of the enemy within our camp. It will be easier to recognize and neutralize his evils than Romney’s.

This election was lost in the summer, not this week.


77 posted on 11/08/2012 10:12:30 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Turns out that White Horse was just a whitewashed jackass.)
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To: ducttape45

The party doesn’t GIVE the nominee. Voters in the primaries select the nominee. Maybe by living in an echo chamber, we’re not aware of our actual minority status as conservatives.


78 posted on 11/08/2012 10:13:49 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I see the Biden free gubmint goodies ticket winning 99 times out of 100. Biden is an idiot and won't even get the Democrat nomination. If he did he would be slaughtered in the general election.

People like Obama. I don't get it, but they do. They see him as "cool". As one of them. The MSM helps to build this persona, and the idiots in this country (and there are quite a few) eat it up.

Romney was a terrible candidate who had a decent October. He was boring and had the personality of a card board cut out. He also ran a very traditional campaign. He was not cool. Most people in this country are politically illiterate. They want cool.

2016 is a different story, and if this economy falls back into recession the Dem candidate is toast. Remeber, Obama can not run again and Biden is simply not cool!!

79 posted on 11/08/2012 10:21:01 AM PST by EagleInGA
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To: Beelzebubba

“I hated Romney in the primaries, but voted for him with enthusiasm.

Yet I wonder if there weren’t some evangelicals who had little enthusiasm for the choice between the Mormon and the Moron, and stayed home.”

This is exactly where I was — despised Romney in the primaries, but I really grew to like and admire him, and had no problem whatsoever voting for him. I had thought that the evolution of my views was common among other Christian conservatives, but I guess I was wrong.

And I do believe the Mormon thing had a lot to do with so many Evangelicals staying home. How else can we explain him getting 2 million LESS votes than McCain. The McCain campaign barely had a pulse until Sarah Palin, and McCain did absolutely ZERO outreach to Evangelicals, yet it seems that more of them voted for McCain.

I know 90% of the reason they voted for him had to be Sarah Palin, but could she alone have accounted for getting that many million more votes? Could be, but I have to think the Mormon issue was the primary driver in depressing turnout.


80 posted on 11/08/2012 10:39:15 AM PST by lquist1
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