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President Obama and the Embryonic Backfire
huffingtonpost.com | November 7, 2012 | Robin L. Smith

Posted on 11/08/2012 12:54:57 AM PST by neverdem

Here's the link.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adultstemcells; embryonicstemcells; hesc; regenerativemedicine; stemcells
huffingtonpost.com not welcome on FR.

Maybe that policy should be reconsidered. I want to know what the enemy is saying. I don't like being blindsided.

1 posted on 11/08/2012 12:55:03 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Many people spent years in ECR and were made a fool of by people who made real science. It appears they are still pissed. Notice the big con worked.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 1:45:18 AM PST by Domangart
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To: neverdem

significant this makes this website all right...stated simply by one who should know...

now to see if the anti-lifers will relent.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 3:04:04 AM PST by BonRad
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To: neverdem
While there might be an occasional hint of promise, the truth is that scientists have discovered that these embryonic 'super cells' are hard to control, and in fact, often result in tumor formation and various unexpected and dangerous outcomes in the clinic.

When the embryonic stem cell issue came up, I was here on FR posting that I thought embryonic cells would be very likely to cause tumors. Embryo cells are primed to grow, and they are only kept in check by the barrage of control signals all over the embryo's body. As soon as the embryo's body is destroyed to get those cells, the controls are gone. Furthermore, cancer and embryonic cells are very similar. I'm not surprised that trials with embryonic stem cells have caused tumors and other dangerous outcomes.

Though it may strike some as controversial, we must ask ourselves if it were not for the dispute over embryonic stem cell research, would we already have adult stem cell cures for countless diseases and medical conditions?

Without the distraction of embryonic stem cells, all that money that was poured into them could have gone to regular stem cell research. So we would be further advanced in that area. Although our advances so far have been pretty good.

It was always clear that the embryonic stem cell issue was devised as a means to try to legitimize abortion, and not because of promises of medical break-throughs. There was a similar attempt made in the 80s to push fetal tissue transplants, which also didn't work. The hope is that if miracle cures could be derived from murdered babies, people would be more receptive to the idea of killing innocents (and maybe even conceiving babies for the purpose of cannibalizing them for their parts).

I saw an article yesterday about stem cells. The first comment after the article was a rant about how conservatives hold up medical advances because of their radical opposition to abortion. That comment provides a teachable moment, or would if I could find it again (I was at work where I can't comment on public forums). None of the stem cell therapies discussed in the article involved embryos, but the ranter apparently is very uninformed on the issue.

4 posted on 11/08/2012 3:07:43 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

Your post is one of the reasons I love Free Republic. Great info well presented.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 4:14:41 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: neverdem

When Obama said embryonic research would not include human cloning, I so wanted a reporter to ask him when the life of a human clone begins. LOL


6 posted on 11/08/2012 5:49:06 AM PST by ExxonPatrolUs ("Trizzle, trazzle, trozzle, trome, time for this one to come home" - Mr Wizard)
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To: Islander7

Seems best to use one’s own DNA to make specific medicines, new body parts, etc.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 8:31:06 PM PST by Paladin2 (.)
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To: exDemMom; Coleus; Peach; airborne; Asphalt; Dr. Scarpetta; I'm ALL Right!; StAnDeliver; ovrtaxt; ...
I saw an article yesterday about stem cells. The first comment after the article was a rant about how conservatives hold up medical advances because of their radical opposition to abortion.

As we lick our political wounds, here's some good news about adult stem cells.

Two Years On, Stem Cells Still Healing Damaged Hearts

Stem cells from strangers can repair hearts

Stem Cells Help Md. Boy With Cerebral Palsy To Walk

Stem cells and nanofibers stimulating nerve research

FReepmail me if you want on or off my stem cell/regenerative medicine ping list.

A lot of 2nd terms have been bad news going back to LBJ. I don't think Obama and the rats will avoid that trend since they're either clueless or have evil intentions about the economy and foreign affairs.

Otto von Bismarck is reported to have said, "A special Providence protects fools, drunkards, small children and the United States of America." Say your prayers.

8 posted on 11/09/2012 1:38:09 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: exDemMom; Coleus; Peach; airborne; Asphalt; Dr. Scarpetta; I'm ALL Right!; StAnDeliver; ovrtaxt; ...
I saw an article yesterday about stem cells. The first comment after the article was a rant about how conservatives hold up medical advances because of their radical opposition to abortion.

As we lick our political wounds, here's some good news about adult stem cells.

Two Years On, Stem Cells Still Healing Damaged Hearts

Stem cells from strangers can repair hearts

Stem Cells Help Md. Boy With Cerebral Palsy To Walk

Stem cells and nanofibers stimulating nerve research

FReepmail me if you want on or off my stem cell/regenerative medicine ping list.

A lot of 2nd terms have been bad news going back to LBJ. I don't think Obama and the rats will avoid that trend since they're either clueless or have evil intentions about the economy and foreign affairs.

Otto von Bismarck is reported to have said, "A special Providence protects fools, drunkards, small children and the United States of America." Say your prayers.

9 posted on 11/09/2012 1:39:11 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: exDemMom; Coleus; Peach; airborne; Asphalt; Dr. Scarpetta; I'm ALL Right!; StAnDeliver; ovrtaxt; ...
I saw an article yesterday about stem cells. The first comment after the article was a rant about how conservatives hold up medical advances because of their radical opposition to abortion.

As we lick our political wounds, here's some good news about adult stem cells.

Two Years On, Stem Cells Still Healing Damaged Hearts

Stem cells from strangers can repair hearts

Stem Cells Help Md. Boy With Cerebral Palsy To Walk

Stem cells and nanofibers stimulating nerve research

FReepmail me if you want on or off my stem cell/regenerative medicine ping list.

A lot of 2nd terms have been bad news going back to LBJ. I don't think Obama and the rats will avoid that trend since they're either clueless or have evil intentions about the economy and foreign affairs.

Otto von Bismarck is reported to have said, "A special Providence protects fools, drunkards, small children and the United States of America." Say your prayers.

10 posted on 11/09/2012 1:40:13 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem; wagglebee; little jeremiah

Just wow.....

Opposition to embryonic stem cell research coming from huff post????


11 posted on 11/09/2012 3:41:40 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: exDemMom

As much as leftist like to dis people of faith and portray themselves as champions of science and rational thought, they sure let their ideology get in the way when it suits them.

Maybe next time you find something at work you want to comment on, you can send yourself a link to your private email to do it later.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 3:48:01 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: neverdem

lbj didn’t really have a second term.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 4:35:59 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem

Bttt


14 posted on 11/09/2012 5:27:50 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: neverdem

You have no idea how much I wish for stem cells to help heal my nephews who have Huntington’s Disease. I am losing hope.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 5:43:15 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: metmom
As much as leftist like to dis people of faith and portray themselves as champions of science and rational thought, they sure let their ideology get in the way when it suits them.

Honestly, I've seen both sides guilty of that. I haven't critically compared the two sides, but my impression is that pseudoscience is equally accepted by left and right. I initially became conservative because it seemed like a more logical philosophy at the time. I've since had to revise my opinion on that. In any case, conservatism holds the moral high ground.

Maybe next time you find something at work you want to comment on, you can send yourself a link to your private email to do it later.

That's an idea.

16 posted on 11/09/2012 6:03:46 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: neverdem
Instead of saying just “stem cells”, we should be saying “adult stem cells”. That is the point we are trying to make.
17 posted on 11/09/2012 6:08:35 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama helped murder US Navy SEALs.)
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To: exDemMom
Honestly, I've seen both sides guilty of that. I haven't critically compared the two sides, but my impression is that pseudoscience is equally accepted by left and right.

No argument from me there.

18 posted on 11/09/2012 7:08:29 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: neverdem

Good news bump!


19 posted on 11/09/2012 1:41:03 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 11/09/2012 9:03:31 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks neverdem. Looks like you’re having the same multiple ping problems I’ve been having.


21 posted on 11/10/2012 6:19:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: exDemMom

Yep, your line of reasoning should have been obvious to real scientists, but there are extremists on both sides, but only one has government lucre to pass out.

Good post.


22 posted on 11/15/2012 7:18:49 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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