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Analysis: Will Texas secede from Barack Obama’s America?
Houston Chronicle ^ | November 8, 2012 | Richard Dunham

Posted on 11/07/2012 11:47:51 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

There’s Barack Obama’s America.

And then there’s Texas.

In Barack Obama’s America, Latino voters overwhelmingly favored the Democratic incumbent, handing him 71 percent of their votes to 27 percent for GOP nominee Mitt Romney. In Texas, voters overwhelmingly elected the first Hispanic senator in the state’s history. A conservative Republican.

In Barack Obama’s America, the Tea Party wave receded, with some of the most prominent firebrands of the 2010 conservative insurgency sent packing by the voters. In Texas, despite the defeat of freshman Republican Francisco “Quico” Canseco of San Antonio, voters sent three new Republicans with strong Tea Party support to Washington, including Senator-elect Ted Cruz of Houston.

In Barack Obama’s America, the Republican nominee lost the popular vote for the fifth time in the last six presidential elections. In Texas, Republicans swept every statewide race for ninth time in a row.

In Barack Obama’s Washington, the head of the American Conservative Union, Al Cardenas, said Wednesday that the Republican Party is “too old, too white and too male.” In Texas, however, Republicans are doing no such hand-wringing.

“Every statewide official is Republican and the GOP has broad majorities in both houses, both U.S. senators and 24 of 36 congressional seats,” said Republican consultant Matt Mackowiak. “Under conservative leadership, Texas will remain a state where bold policy is advanced and where government is limited, taxes and regulation are low.”

In the aftermath of a second consecutive White House setback, there is a bigger disconnect than ever between the mood of national Republicans and Texas GOP loyalists. While national Republicans are downcast about the future and pointing the finger of blame, Texas Republicans are upbeat and almost giddy about being the leaders of the resistance to Barack Obama’s second-term agenda, from comprehensive immigration reform to implementation of the 2010 health-reform law widely known as Obamacare........

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; exceptionalism; jobs; tx
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.....Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who tried but failed to win the GOP nomination to take on Obama, warned Obama on Wednesday to “put an end to his reckless disregard for our rule of law and spare our nation another long, painful and expensive four years for American families, taxpayers and employers.”

“Meanwhile,” he added, “states have the opportunity to pave the way for Washington by promoting common-sense policies of smaller government, lower taxes and restrained spending that create jobs and prosperity for their citizens.”

With Obama back in the saddle for four more years, Texas officials predict continuing legal wrangling between Austin and Washington. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott has filed 24 lawsuits against the federal government since Obama took office. Contentious issues include environmental regulation, redistricting and the strict Texas Voter ID law.

1 posted on 11/07/2012 11:48:09 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; mrreaganaut

While I think it would be fun, and would love if my state did it too, the US Civil War kinda put the kabosh on secession.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 11:50:52 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Jeb Bush said Texas will be a blue state by 2016.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 11:51:50 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Not sure about that but definitely by 2020.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 11:56:35 PM PST by rudabaga
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To: nickcarraway

If the massive migration of ‘blue state conservatives’ into TX continues,
it should offset the influx of freeloaders. Going Galt will become a reality,
and Texas is a great destination.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 11:59:32 PM PST by rfp1234
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To: reaganaut
....the US Civil War kinda put the kabosh on secession.

Please don't confuse the headline with the meat and meaning of the article.

6 posted on 11/08/2012 12:03:06 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In Barack Obama’s America, Latino voters overwhelmingly favored the Democratic incumbent, handing him 71 percent of their votes to 27 percent for GOP nominee Mitt Romney. In Texas, voters overwhelmingly elected the first Hispanic senator in the state’s history.

Misleading.

There is no doubt that a majority of Latinos in Texas voted for Obama, as in every other state.

7 posted on 11/08/2012 12:06:56 AM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
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8 posted on 11/08/2012 12:09:25 AM PST by barmag25
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To: Meet the New Boss
It wasn't misleading! You dropped the LAST line! And the point it was making!

".......In Texas, voters overwhelmingly elected the first Hispanic senator in the state’s history. A conservative Republican."

9 posted on 11/08/2012 12:17:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nickcarraway

What does Meghan McCain think?


10 posted on 11/08/2012 12:19:59 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: barmag25

Interesting and encouraging.

Let’s “build out from the middle.”


11 posted on 11/08/2012 12:20:04 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

12 posted on 11/08/2012 12:21:39 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My point is that electing a conservative Republican who is Hispanic didn’t change the fact that most Hispanics support Obama. Sure it’s great to see Ted Cruz in the Senate, but that doesn’t change the political orientation of Hispanics.

It was great when Allen West was elected to Congress as a conservative Republican. But that didn’t change the political orientation of blacks.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 12:23:27 AM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: reaganaut

The headline mentions secession. It’s nowhere in the article.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 12:25:20 AM PST by Terry Mross (Once again I wasted my vote. But I have learned my lesson.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m not. I like the article, but the headline choice is poor and it won’t happen.

It makes us look dumb and I hate that.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 12:25:20 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Oops! Didn’t read your post well enough. Apologies.

However, we need to start emphasizing the CONSERVATISM and stop pushing the negative stereotype that plays into the Leftist playbook.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 12:27:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Terry Mross

So its a bait and switch?


17 posted on 11/08/2012 12:29:50 AM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Meet the New Boss

I guess I need new glasses. Apology retracted. :) :(


18 posted on 11/08/2012 12:29:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Look, I concede your point that having people like Ted Cruz helps us with Hispanics.

Let’s just be realistic - we’re not going to get a majority of Hispanics, because conservative principles do not appeal to a majority of the Hispanics that immigrated in the last couple of decades.

Had we closed the border way back when and got to pick and choose who we let immigrate here, like people who would not go on government assistance and would have children within marriages, then yeah, we COULD have had an Hispanic immigrant population that was majority conservative.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 12:33:22 AM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: reaganaut
So its a bait and switch?

More like switch (out the truth) and bait (the MSM to reinforce the false narrative).

20 posted on 11/08/2012 12:33:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: barmag25

Food for thought..


21 posted on 11/08/2012 12:35:25 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who cares? That road apple didn’t fall far from the horse’s posterior!


22 posted on 11/08/2012 12:37:29 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: reaganaut

No, Obama will pass amnesty and Texas and Arizona will turn into blue states.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 12:41:05 AM PST by KerryOnNoMore
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To: reaganaut

No, Obama will pass amnesty and Texas and Arizona will turn into blue states.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 12:41:17 AM PST by KerryOnNoMore
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To: Meet the New Boss
....Had we closed the border way back when and got to pick and choose who we let immigrate here, like people who would not go on government assistance and would have children within marriages, then yeah, we COULD have had an Hispanic immigrant population that was majority conservative.

Who is the "we?"

It's the Feds that ALWAYS STOP THAT!

Now, AGAIN, it's reached the stage where their children have integrated and the Left is shoehorning natural conservatives into one of their victim's groups (a HUGE and growing one) -- teaching them to be another "gimme" group with a chip on their shoulder.

We need to SEAL the border (and confront the crime and national security risks). NOTHING about us being overrun by illegal immigrants will change until that is done. And it hurts ALL those working (and looking for work and who plan to work - and those paying for "services" for those who don't work) who live on the northern side of the border.

25 posted on 11/08/2012 12:42:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They will secede and the reason will be Obamacare. After they do it then it might embolden other southern and Midwestern republican states like Oklahoma, Kansas, Alabama and Tennessee to do it but who knows. That is how it went in 1861.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 12:45:18 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“We” meaning when George W. Bush had the presidency. My own sense is that his personal warm feelings for the Mexican nanny he had as a child gave him a blind spot on the open borders question.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 12:48:24 AM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: reaganaut

The “Barack Obama’s America” is the part of the headline that I find the most revealing. America is exceptionalism, freedom and strength. Barack Obama doesn’t believe in that path for the country. Texas does and we prove everyday that it works - and the country needs to keep seeing us fight and prosper and not give in to this illegal encroachment of ObamaSocialism.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 12:53:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Meet the New Boss
“We” meaning when George W. Bush had the presidency. My own sense is that his personal warm feelings for the Mexican nanny he had as a child gave him a blind spot on the open borders question.

Good grief - "bind spot?" It was political expediency and kicking the can policies.

Many Texans have closer associations and they don't want an open border.

29 posted on 11/08/2012 1:04:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

W was controlled too often by emotion rather than reason.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 1:10:43 AM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss
Hopefully the GOP will play this smart. Obama will "EO" legal status. The GOP can play the popular "seal the border" card now and DARE HIM to block it. Sealing the border is THE critical part of the discussion and not even mentioned in this Nov. 7, 2012 Washington Times article Reid vows renewed push for Dream Act
31 posted on 11/08/2012 1:19:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: rawcatslyentist

Marking that.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 1:49:56 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: reaganaut
While I think it would be fun, and would love if my state did it too, the US Civil War kinda put the kabosh on secession.

So if you do something that is perfectly legal and someone does something ILLEGAL to stop you, does that make what you were doing wrong?

33 posted on 11/08/2012 3:14:05 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: rawcatslyentist

LOL! This is your official notice I am swiping that! It’s perfect. :-)


34 posted on 11/08/2012 3:15:43 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: KerryOnNoMore

Amnesty and demographics (low birth rates) will turn Texas blue as well.

Then DC and Puerto Rico will be added as states to stack the deck further.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 3:36:16 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The author's first statistic tells us why Texas is as doomed as is the rest of mainland USA.

Hispanics will overwhelm the conservative vote in Texas in a few years, making Texas just as liberal & dysfunctional as other states.

So, if you are planning to move to Texas to avoid liberalism you'll find that the major cities of Texas are already liberal, & just like the USA, the densely populated urban areas will ultimately control the gov’t.

36 posted on 11/08/2012 3:44:25 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da

Do you live in Texas?


37 posted on 11/08/2012 3:51:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The other Red States better get some backbone and join our excellent Attorney General Abbott in fighting the central government takeover. He can do more from his wheel chair than all the rest of them can do on two legs. Talk about a nation of sheep.....

Texas ought to reassess involvement with all central government agencies and refuse any interference unless it can be supported by the U.S. Constitution.
If all else fails, we can always shut off the oil and gas pipelines.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 3:51:41 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perhaps we should reconsider what benefits come to people who are trapped in a “union” they can’t get out of. This is a good definition of slavery.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 3:54:03 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Ted Cruz comes from Cuban stock, a far cry from the mestizo origins of Mexicans.


40 posted on 11/08/2012 3:56:32 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

There now are 30 GOP governors. The states are the labs and they will generate conservative leaders.

Wisconsin has shown what can be accomplished.


41 posted on 11/08/2012 4:05:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: rawcatslyentist

The Puerto Rican flag will fit perfectly in that hole.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 4:08:43 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

All politics is local. A Latino conservative beat a white liberal. So per the electoral demographics of Texas that’s how you win. It doesn’t extrapolate nationally, but it does give the lesson that you must be an acceptable package to the voters.

Akins and Mourdock, two conservatives, lost while Romney won. That’s the equation.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 4:34:04 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: reaganaut

This time it will be purgeing. All the states north and east of the Belt way will be purged.


44 posted on 11/08/2012 4:43:15 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: 1010RD

Texas Senator Ted Cruz can articulate his conservatism.

Cruz beat a powerful sitting Lt. Gov. (more powerful than the gov) who was heavily backed with connections and money from the same party.

But Senator Cruz WON because he has what they couldn’t buy, HE CAN ARTICULATE and reach people!!

THAT is the difference.

Period.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 4:44:03 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So if he were Ted Schmidt he still would have won? It’s the articulating his conservatism that did it?


46 posted on 11/08/2012 4:54:44 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

You’re damn right.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 5:02:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

While Succession is a nice Dream...

I would like to see a United Stand against the Federal Government and it’s unconstitutional behavior.

What if the Red States banded together, Joined by a written and signed decree to Support and Defend the Constitution, States Rights and our countries sovereignty.

We could call it the “United States of the Constitution” or anything as a group of states that swear to uphold and defend it.

Texas is unique in its history. Arizona and Oklahoma have taken steps to take on the government. Together, United, they would focus attention and strength. If 5 to 25 states spoke and acted as one to oppose an over baring federal government the results would have to be better then where we are at now. Yes?

I have often thought the USA should start an international group of Free Nations where in support and true free trade would exist, while promoting Freedom around the world. An alternative to the twisted and loony United Nations, who I would like to see, invited to leave the USA. Now with Presidents Obama’s reelection the USA will surrender more sovereignty to the U.N., while doubling his effort to drive us in to financial default. I think we need an internal effort to unite.

If I could have a few minutes of Governor Perry and Governor Brewer’s time I would ask them and all other like minded Governors to meet and do some possibility thinking on this.

If successful, I could see patriots, entrepreneurs, and whole companies moving from blue states to red states in mass. (Going Galt?)

Any Thoughts?


48 posted on 11/08/2012 5:02:38 AM PST by rick400tec
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To: rick400tec

I like your optimism, backbone and initiative.


49 posted on 11/08/2012 5:11:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Mister Da

The urban ant beds are definitly having an impact on politic’s in Texas that is true but to blame it on Hispanics is far from it. Texas was a democrat dominated state for over 100 years but that all changed in the 90’s yet the Hispanic population increased through that entire period, by your thinking that is not possible. We Texans see the Hispanics with a different eye than many others, they are as much a part of Texas as the Alamo, the Yellow Rose and of course Coopers BBQ. I have lived beside them, worked beside them and fought beside them, in one case I damn near married one (she still crosses my mind from time to time). Their values are no different than mine. The liberalism we face in Texas is coming from the Anglo’s also.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 5:19:47 AM PST by Dusty Road
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