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What Conservatives Need To Do To Win Again

Posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:18 PM PST by jda

We're already hearing thoughts on what the GOP needs to do to win again. Here's a view from a non-political, America-living, Christian conservative who votes.


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We're already hearing thoughts on what the GOP needs to do to win again. Some of that advice is coming from the left, who gave us plenty of advice during this election and, unfortunately, too much of that advice was followed. Some of their advice has been and is: don't go negative (even though scorched-earth is all they can do when they have no record upon which to run), be more inclusive (although we are more inclusive of women and non-whites than they are), accept climate change (even though there is no scientific evidence that it is man-made), etc. But think about it, why would they give us advice to actually help us win? Conservatives need to shape the conservative agenda. And, remember, Christian conservatives founded this country. So, compared to them, who are the REAL extremists???

For the record, I'm not a politician, but I am an evangelical Christian conservative, a family man with a wife of 41 years, children and grandchildren, I stay informed, and I vote. On that basis, I offer the following free and sincere principles regarding what conservatives need to do to ever have a chance of winning again.

- Don't take advice from liberals - in fact, it would be a good start to do the exact opposite from what they advise us to do.
- Stay true to our conservative values - if in doubt, consult the Bible and our Founders.
- Point out the facts about the opponent - not in a mean-spirited or personal attack manner, just the objective facts.
- Shape the rhetoric, don't play defense all the time - you have to score to win.

If we can focus on and be true to these principles, we might generate interest from the all-too-silent majority - evangelicals and true conservatives and they might turn out to vote. In addition, we might just get the attention of evangelical, true conservative Hispanics and blacks.

If we don't hold true to these values, and especially if we continue to follow the advice of liberals, the difference between liberals and conservatives will become even more blurred, so the majority of the electorate will continue to vote for those who offer them the most freebies.

1 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:20 PM PST by jda
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To: jda
We're a little late waking up to the movement which made last night possible!

In America, beginning in the late 1800's, under the name of "liberals," now known as "progressives," that movement began its now decades-long effort to remove the principles and ideas underlying our Constitution's protections from the nation's textbooks and public discourse.

On another thread today, the question was aked, "What do we need to do differently?" Good question!

Constitutional illiteracy--that is the primary reason we are continuing on the road to tyranny under deficit, debt, and government control! The secondary reason is the GOP's failure to use its billion-dollar campaign to focus like a laser on educating voters!

During the primary season, one of my FR posts stated the following in response to a Jonah Goldberg comment about Romney:

Sorry, Jonah, but this is not as simple as "not speaking the language (of conservatism) naturally." When a person is steeped in the ideas of Jefferson, Adams, Madison, and Washington, it just "naturally" slips through in the ideas they convey. Remember Reagan?

Do Republicans seriously want to conserve America's constitutional principles? Or, are they just objecting to Democrats? Do they have a passion for liberty? Is this just about changing the Party in power, or is it about preserving freedom?

If their concern is for convincing enough voters to reject the idea of "a government big enough to give you everyting you want" and turn to advocacy for "a government small enough to allow you freedom to keep most of what you earn," then they'd better get busy seeing that someone is nominated who has been "marinated" (to use a word coined by Ingraham last night on "The Factor") in the Founders' ideas (isn't that what conservatives purport to "conserve"?).

So far (February 2012), Mitt Romney, though a good man, demonstrates no such "immersion." He has been "successful" in benefiting from those ideas, and he recites familiar words and phrases from patriotic speeches and songs, but that is different from understanding and being able to call up and articulate the philosophy which made such success possible.

Ronald Reagan's life and letters reveal that he had "immersed" himself in those ideas for years before he agreed to run for President, and that is why he could set "issues" in light of constitutional "principle." and explain his advocacy or rejection of solutions in by that light.

The other three candidates in the Primary--Paul, Santorum, Gingrich--couch their answers to questions in a manner which indicates personal pursuit and understanding of the Constitution's protections, each in his own way.

Of the two so-called "frontrunners," however, the lifetime history scholar, teacher, legislator, and participant in what was called "the Reagan revolution," appears to be the one most likely to be able to successfully articulate and distinguish those ideas to voters, if given the chance to compete with the "counterfeit ideas" of tyranny cloaked in righteous benevolence by Obama.

Is "politics as usual" to win the day, or might we not bring Gingrich, Santorum, Paul, and others who embrace founding principles together to help to create a "passion" for liberty among citizens sufficient to defeat the counterfeit ideas which are leading the Republic to ruin?

The following is excerpted from "Our Ageless Constitution," p. 181:

"It was John Adams who said: "The foundation of every government is some principle or passion in the minds of the people." Clearly, the Founders' passion was liberty, and in order to secure that liberty, they sought out and incor­porated into the United States Constitution those ideas and principles embodied in the Declaration of Independence.

"The French historian, Guizot, once asked James Russell Lowell, "How long will the American republic endure?" Lowell replied: "As long as the IDEAS of the men who founded it continue dominant."

"Herein lies the answer to the question, "Will the Experiment Succeed?"

"It can and will succeed IF the motivating "principle or passion in the minds of the people" is LIBERTY, and if that passion causes them to exert the determination and will to complete the needed restoration of the IDEAS upon which the great American experiment was based." ---(End of excerpted material)

My call to the GOP and all lovers of liberty is the same as then! To rediscover and recover liberty from the hands of those who are turning America into just another failing nation dominated by a government-over-people ideology, a determined and massive education effort should begin November 7, 2012, focused on the teaching of the fundamental principles essential to the survival of individual liberty for a people.

2 posted on 11/07/2012 5:30:04 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: jda

Fire every single campaign adviser from the Romney and McCain campaigns. They are worthless.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 5:31:34 PM PST by ABQHispConservative
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To: jda

We are no longer in the land of reason.

We are in the land of bread and circuses.

What are you (government) giving to me? Phone. Food. Check. Daycare. School breakfast and lunch. A monthly check.

Latinos were signed up on food stamps through Spanish ads. No citizenship required. Get them in on it.

Citizenship. Amnesty. 80%.

Against that you want to reasonably discuss what? Go work. Go back to your country and get in line.

The only way is for the system to collapse. Start over post United Soviet States.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 5:34:55 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: jda
What Conservatives Need To Do To Win Again

Step ONE: Nominate a CONSERVATIVE!

5 posted on 11/07/2012 5:35:18 PM PST by massmike (The choice is clear in November: Romney or Caligula!)
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To: jda

Steve Deace did a 10 Commandments of Political Warfare a few weeks ago which has a lot of good advice. Steve comes from the perspective of a Christian conservative who warned the GOP as much as Jim Robinson did that Romney was a bad nominee.

This article has a summary and a link to the radio broadcast. Really good listen.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2936795/posts


6 posted on 11/07/2012 5:37:57 PM PST by JediJones (Vote NO on Proposition Zero! Tuesday, November 6th!)
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To: jda

Whadja do over the past 6 months? or 6 Weeks?

I’ve gone negative on vanities. And this is a vanity.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 5:38:04 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: TigerClaws
"The only way is for the system to collapse. Start over post United Soviet States."

My sentiments exactly! We'll not re institute the constitution at the ballot box, obviously. The tree of liberty...

8 posted on 11/07/2012 5:39:48 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: jda
Forget it. The Republican Party just went extinct.

It's irrelevant here in California after being the dominant party for like a century.

Know why?

Immigration. The Democrats long ago lost the support of the Americans with their social radicalism and neo-Communist policies.

So the Democrats decided to import an electorate more to their liking. One that would desperate for a welfare state administered by Wise Liberals.

That's what they did. And they turbo-charged it by convincing a generation of idiots that we were "over populated" and needed to abort ourselves out of existence.

That's the real intent of the "environmental" movement.

In every single way, all of these initiatives have one goal: the march to State Socialism.

The White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Americans stood in the way of that. So they have to be gotten rid of.

What happened yesterday is proof that the Leftist Communist tactic of importing a new people to take over America is working.

No amount of electioneering and talk will change that.

9 posted on 11/07/2012 5:40:55 PM PST by Regulator
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To: jda

Stop letting the media decide the candidates.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:37 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: jda

Also as Mike Flynn on Breitbart commented “...Hopefully, the Romney campaign is the last run by the DC consultant class. They finally had the full range of resources to run their playbook, and it fell woefully short. I remember Andrew always urged the DC GOP to tap into conservatives in Hollywood and the creative arts to engage in the pop culture wars. He implored them to use their skills to hone their message and outreach. Those efforts were universally rebuffed by the consultant class.”

Full article link: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/07/gop-reaps-its-surrender-of-pop-culture


11 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:45 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: jda
We're already hearing thoughts on what the GOP needs to do to win again.

We need to appeal to the few survivors of the "reeducation camps", they just might listen to reason.

12 posted on 11/07/2012 5:42:05 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: jda

To win again we need to face reality. Demographics are changing. I think we need to embrace the immigration issue. Hispanics are the future of America and now is the time to draw them to conservative beliefs. I feel the Hispanic population is for family, hard work and God. Ready to be flamed but Reagan knew this was the future.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 5:43:05 PM PST by pnut22
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To: jda

1. Run a Conservative
2. Run a Conservative
3. Run a Conservative
4. Run a Conservative
5. Run a Conservative
6. Run a Conservative
7. Run a Conservative
8. Run a Conservative


14 posted on 11/07/2012 5:44:38 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: campaignPete R-CT

> I’ve gone negative on vanities. And this is a vanity.

Why are the honest thoughts of a personal FReeper non-gratis, but the blogs and spewing of paid pundits fine?


15 posted on 11/07/2012 5:46:55 PM PST by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: pnut22
Hispanics are the future of America

If that's true, then it won't be America.

Just Mexico.

No thanks. 10 generations didn't fight and die for that.

16 posted on 11/07/2012 5:49:18 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator

With my heart I totally agree with you. With my brain I see that the conservative movement is shrinking and has to reach out somewhere.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 5:52:53 PM PST by pnut22
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To: jda

Step 1: Build a time machine

Step 2: Go back to the McCarthy Era, and convince conservatives that focusing on elections isn’t going to fix everything, and have them take root in academia and the media.

Step 3: Prevent the Senate from enacting immigration reform in the ‘60s which shifted demographics so heavily against us.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 5:53:24 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: loveliberty2
Constitutional illiteracy--that is the primary reason we are continuing on the road to tyranny under deficit, debt, and government control!

I disagree with your premise in one regard: Constitutional and Biblical illiteracy--that is the primary reason we are continuing on the road to tyranny ...

Our schools don't teach the Bible or the Constitution - the Bible forms the foundation of our Constitution, and without the Constitution, America would not have lasted so long.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 5:53:57 PM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: jda

1980, 1984, 1994, and 2010 went well. Let’s try what worked in those years.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 5:54:29 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Regulator

The demographics of this country are changing and in order to build a conservative majority we absolutely have to make minorities feel comfortable in this party.

I was listening on the radio today and a black man was talking about how Voter ID, Immigration Reform, Welfare reform drive minorities away who may otherwise be attracted to our economic message due to the racist undertones of such policies.

Don’t get all upset. I was offened by this suggestion, too. The last thing I think about when I support these ideas is racism. But, apparently minorities see everything through the prism of race. To be honest, I’m thinking mostly about fiscal responsibility and national integrity with these items. Nevertheless, our minority brothers and sisters (blacks, asians, hispanics) are inferring something nefarious when that is the last thing being implied.

Our mission over the next several years should be to do a better job of welcoming minorities into the conservative party and make sure we do a better job of explaining how our policy ideas help everyone. On the flip side, we also need to keep explaining how the policies of the left have done minorities no good over the last 60 years.

The bottom line is the conservative movement won’t survive unless we can get minorities on board. We need to step up and get these folks on board helping us


21 posted on 11/07/2012 5:55:04 PM PST by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: massmike

What Conservatives Need To Do To Win Again
Step ONE: Nominate a CONSERVATIVE!


We have a winner


22 posted on 11/07/2012 5:57:42 PM PST by Joshua
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To: pnut22
With my brain I see that the conservative movement is shrinking and has to reach out somewhere.

Then you might as well vote democrat at the earliest possible opportunity because we ain't budging and the GOP obviously can't win without us.
23 posted on 11/07/2012 5:58:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pnut22

Conservatives DO need to address immigration reform, not ignore it in hopes it will go away, or be against everything the libs propose. There has to be a solution that minimizes illegal immigration, actually deports and keeps out criminals, addressees those who had no say in their coming here (without giving them freebies), and deals with those who mean well but are here illegally (without giving them freebies).

Conservatives should take the lead in forging a dialogue that actually, in a bipartisan, get-it-done manner, presents a comprehensive solution.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 6:02:57 PM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Mustangman
I was listening on the radio today and a black man was talking about how Voter ID, Immigration Reform, Welfare reform drive minorities away who may otherwise be attracted to our economic message due to the racist undertones of such policies.

Right out of the progressive propaganda playbook.

25 posted on 11/07/2012 6:05:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jda

they only need to vote and last night they didn’t


26 posted on 11/07/2012 6:06:32 PM PST by Homer1
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To: pnut22

With my heart I totally agree with you. With my brain I see that the conservative movement is shrinking and has to reach out somewhere.


Romney received 2 1/2 million fewer votes than McCain
Obama was 10 million votes shy of 2008
The numbers point to less people approving Obama’s policies, and we couldn’t field a candidate that could match McCains pitiful performance.
Please can anyone explain how this is a repudiation of Conservatism?
The finger pointing on these threads are foolish.
Look at the numbers and use a little common sense.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 6:07:03 PM PST by Joshua
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To: Joshua

Turns out that my little township had some of the highest turnout in the state. Just over 70% at my precinct and 69% at the other precinct in this township. However, turnout was down some 20% for the county which did go for Romney.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 6:12:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jda

Create a new Conservative Party.

Yes, I know, everyone says it can’t be done. Even Sarah Palin.

Let’s do it anyway...


29 posted on 11/07/2012 6:14:35 PM PST by bigbob
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To: jda

God takes the long view, so you find in Scripture the concept of making “a testimony against them”, i.e. you declare the Truth to people and their response will be held accountable at the future Judgment.

The idea of tailoring a message to woo a reprobate people is NOT the answer...for believers. As for everyone else?

“Let the dead bury their own dead.”


30 posted on 11/07/2012 6:29:13 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: cripplecreek

Turns out that my little township had some of the highest turnout in the state. Just over 70% at my precinct and 69% at the other precinct in this township. However, turnout was down some 20% for the county which did go for Romney.


The simple fact is that Romney/Ryan couldn’t energize the same amount of conservatives to the polls as Palin

Conservatism didn’t take a hit here. People didn’t flock to the polls for freebies as some are saying. The man promising the goodies fell 10 million short of his last election.
What I heard from non- political junkies, just average people, was that “they hated Obama but didn’t trust Romney”
Also my wife works with a few Born again Christians who told her they and their friends could not vote for a Mormon
They sat it out.I’m sure it was the same all over the country.

So it wasn’t Conservatism that took a hit or its numbers shrinking. It’s what the GOPe tried to pass off as Conservative.
It didn’t pass the smell test.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:25 PM PST by Joshua
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To: jda

The current version of the GOP is toast unless the electoral college in all states switch to the model of Maine and Nebraska or the emigration fairy materialize and starts enforcing immigration laws.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 6:31:30 PM PST by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: jda

Maybe Republicans should move to the battleground states in droves before 2016.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 6:40:19 PM PST by Standingstrong
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To: loveliberty2

Run a “far” right conservative, thats bold, stands on a good record, quick on answers, humorous,— well, like thatcher


34 posted on 11/07/2012 6:41:58 PM PST by chicken head
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To: Nonsense Unlimited

cuz the last 6 weeks was “put up, or shut up” time.

apparently, the author of this vanity failed to elect anybody in his home state.

What conservatives need to do is stop writing silly vanities and get somebody elected to office. I refuse to associate with do-nothing pundits, which makes me unsuitable for Freeper. I suspect I am headed into Freeper exile soon. Not quite there yet.

I hate liberals. ya know what I hate more than Libs? Incompetent, useless so-called Conservatives.

Vince Lombardi when asked what was needed to win, said “we need to block and tackle. Stick your shoulder into somebody’s gut and knock him down.”

We have a movement of people who do not block and do not tackle. They sit in the top row of the stadium and blog about what is wrong with the team. LET ME PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY, JDA: “AS FAR as I am concerned, you are not even on the team!”


35 posted on 11/07/2012 6:45:15 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: loveliberty2

This woman just has it—

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzAwro8M90


36 posted on 11/07/2012 6:47:33 PM PST by chicken head
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To: jda

ELECTION FRAUD:
Republicans analyze and blame themselves for not getting out the vote instead of looking at the obvious. It’s not who votes that counts, It’s who Counts the Votes!

Does anybody really believe that fewer people turned out to vote for Romney than voted for McCain in 2008? REALLY?

The Counters simply needed to factor down the Romney votes to be lower than the Obama Votes. The Election was STOLEN. Does the total infiltration of Muslim Brotherhood and SEIU workers in the government set off any warning bells?

The Election has been stolen by under counting the Romney votes to match with the declining Obama Votes and the GOP is saying nothing!!!!!


37 posted on 11/07/2012 7:04:16 PM PST by RamingtonStall (Next time, let's vote for an AMERICAN for President!)
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To: jda
With reference to your comment about the schools not teaching these things, if you have not come across the following information in your reading, you might visit the LOC web site location mentioned below and read the entire Sermon from which I excerpt only a portion herein.

The excerpted portion, however, gives us a glimpse of the beginnings of the "progressive" movement's deliberate censorship of our founding ideas from the nation's schools. At the 1876 date of this Sermon, however, such persons were self-described as "liberals."

During this 2012 Thanksgiving Season, we might publicize and refer our fellow citizens to the following "Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon" commemorating the Anniversary Year of our Declaration of Independence:

From the "Library of Congress - Historical Collections" -

"African-American Pamphlets from the Daniel A. P. Murray Collection," 1820-1920; American Memory, Library of Congress

Washington, DC,

CENTENNIAL Thanksgiving Sermon, DELIVERED BY REV. B. W. ARNETT, B. D., AT ST. PAUL A. M. E. CHURCH, URBANA, OHIO 1876.

For all who read it would find that this outstanding Minister of the Gospel, State Legislator in Ohio, and scholar of world history, in that year of 1876, foresaw the nefarious and dangerous agenda of what then was self-described by its leaders as the "Liberal Movement."

Arnett's Sermon was titled "Righteousness Exalteth a Nation, but Sin is a Reproach to any People." In it, he details what he documents and describes as America's Christian foundations, using the actual words from the historical record, including those of Supreme Court Justices, Constitutions of States, and others.

On P. 45 of the Sermon, Arnett begins a section called "The Danger to our Country," as follows:

"The Danger to our Country.

"Now that our national glory and grandeur is principally derived from the position the fathers took on the great questions of right and wrong, and the career of this nation has been unparalleled in the history of the past, now there are those who are demanding the tearing down the strength of our national fabric. They may not intend to tear it down, but just as sure as they have their way, just that sure will they undermine our superstructure and cause the greatest calamity of the age. What are the demands of this party of men? Just look at it and examine it for yourselves, and see if you are willing that they shall have their way; or will you still assist in keeping the ship of state in the hands of the same crew and run her by the old gospel chart! But ye men who think there is no danger listen to the demands of the Liberals as they choose to call themselves:

"'Organize! Liberals of America! The hour for action has arrived. The cause of freedom calls upon us to combine our strength, our zeal, our efforts. These are The Demands of Liberalism:

"'1. We demand that churches and other ecclesiastical property shall no longer be exempt from just taxation.

"'2. We demand that the employment of chaplains in Congress, in State Legislatures, in the navy and militia, and in prisons, asylums, and all other institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued.

"'3. We demand that all public appropriations for sectarian educational and charitable institutions shall cease.

"'4. We demand that all religious services now sustained by the government shall be abolished; and especially that the use of the Bible in the public schools, whether ostensibly as a text-book or avowedly as a book of religious worship, shall be prohibited.

"'5. We demand that the appointment, by the President of the United States or by the Governors of the various States, of all religious festivals and fasts shall wholly cease.

"'6. We demand that the judicial oath in the courts and in all other departments of the government shall be abolished, and that simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury shall be established in its stead.

"'7. We demand that all laws directly or indirectly enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath shall be repealed.

"'8. We demand that all laws looking to the enforcement of “Christian” morality shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights, and impartial liberty.

"'9. We demand that not only in the Constitution of the United States and of the several States, but also in the practical administration of the same, no privilege or advantage shall be conceded to Christianity or any other special religion; that our entire political system shall be founded and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes shall prove necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.'

"'Let us boldly and with high purpose meet the duty of the hour.'

"Now we must not think that we have nothing to do in this great work, for the men who are at the head of this movement are men of culture and intelligence, and many of them are men of influence. They are led by that thinker and scholar, F. E. Abbott, than whom I know but few men who has a smoother pen, or who is his equal on the battle-field of thought. He says in an address on the duty of his leagues:

"'My answer may be a negative one to all who see nothing positive in the idea of liberty. The conviction I refer to is this: that, regarded as a theological system, Christianity is Superstition, and, regarded as an organized institution, Christianity is Slavery. The purpose I refer to is this: that, whether regarded as theological system, Christianity shall wholly cease to exercise influence in political matters. Although the national Constitution is strictly secular and non-Christian, there are many things in the practical administration of the government which violate its spirit, and constitute a virtual recognition of Christianity as the national religion. These violations are very dangerous; they are on the increase; they more and more give Christianity a practical hold upon the government; they directly tend to strengthen the influence of Christianity over the people, and to fortify it both as a theology and a church; and they are therefore justly viewed with growing indignation by liberals. Not unreasonably are they looked upon as paving the way to a formidable effort to carry the Christian Amendment to the Constitution; and the liberals are beginning to see that they must extinguish the conflagration in its commencement. I believe all this myself, with more intense conviction every day; and therefore I appeal frankly to the people to begin now to lay the foundations of a great National Party of Freedom. It is not a moment too soon. If the liberals are wise, they will see the facts as they are, and act accordingly. Not with hostility, bitterness, defiance, or anger but rather with love to all men and high faith in the beneficence of consistently republican institutions, do I urge them most earnestly to begin the work at once.'

"He acknowledges that this is a religious nation and wants all men to assist him in eliminating the grand old granite principles from the framework of our national union. Will you do it freeman; will we sell the temple reared at the cost of so much precious blood and treasure? These men would have us turn back the hands on the clock of our national progress, and stay the shadow on the dial plate of our christian civilization; they would have us call a retreat to the soldiers in the army of Christ; the banner of the cross they would have us haul down, and reverse the engines of war against sin and crime; the songs of Zion they would turn into discord, and for the harmony and the melody of the sons of God, they would give us general confusion; they would have us chain the forces of virtue and unloose the elements of vice; they would have the nation loose its moorings from the Lord of truth and experience and commit interest, morally, socially; religiously and politically to the unsafe and unreliable human reason; they would discharge God and his crew and run the ship of State by the light of reason, which has always been but a dim taper in the world, and all the foot-prints it has left are marked with the blood of men, women and children. No nation is safe when left alone with reason.

"But we have no notion of giving up the contest without a struggle or a battle. We are aware that there is a great commotion in the world of thought. Religion and science are at arms length contending with all their forces for the mastery. Faith and unbelief are fighting their old battles over again, everything that can be shaken is shaking. The foundations of belief are assaulted by the army of science and men are changing their opinions. New and starting theories are promulgated to the world; old truths are putting on new garbs. Error is dressing in the latest style, wrong is secured by the unholy alliances, changes in men and things, revolution in church and state, Empires are crumbling, Kingdoms tottering; everywhere the change is seen. In the social circle, in the school house, in the pulpit and in the pews. But amid all the changes are revolutions their are some things that are unchangeable, unmovable and enduring. The forces that underline the vital power of Christianity are the same yesterday, to-day, to-morrow and forever more. They are like their God, who is omnipotent, immovable and eternal, and everywhere truth has marched it has left its moccasin tracks.

"The Conclusion of the Whole Matter.We have patiently tried to examine the record of the nations of antiquity and learn the cause of their decay and decline, their fall, why their early death; and why so many implements of destruction around and about their tombs, and everywhere, in the silent streets, mouldering ruins, tottering columns, mouldy and moist rooms, and the united voice from the sepulcher of the dead past is, "sin is a reproach to any people." We see it written on the tombs of the Kings, and engraven on the pages of time, "sin is a reproach to any people." These are the principles of governments, Right and wrong; and the people who are the advocates of Right have bound themselves together and by their united effort they have brought light out of darkness and forced strength out of weakness.

"We as a nation have a grand and glorious future before us. The sun of our nation is just arising above the horizon and is now sending his golden rays of peace from one end of the land to the other. The utmost extremities of the members of the body politic are warm and in motion by the commercial and financial activities of the land. Her face is destined to blush with beauty when peace and justice shall be enthroned. The grand march of progress shall mark her in her onward advancement in moral strength, intellectual brilliancy, and political power. Then we can say that we give to every man, woman and child the benefit of our free institutions, giving all the benefits of our common school and the freedom to worship God under their own vine and fig tree. Then will we see written, on the banner of our free, redeemed and disenthralled country, the sublime words written, not in the blood of men, but in the sun-light of truth, that "Righteousness exalteth a nation." It will fall like the morning dew on the lowly; it will descend like the showers of May on the poor; and like the sun it will shine on the good and bad, dispensing from the hand of plenty the blessings of a government founded on the principle of justice and equality.

"Standing on the threshold of the second century of the nation's life, with the experience of the past lying at our feet, we are saluted by the shout of triumph from the millions who left their homes and business and attended the Great Exposition of the skill and genius of the world, collected at Philadelphia. We were permitted to receive the greetings from the oldest to the youngest nation of the earth. Egypt and the United States clasped hands over the waste of 5,000 years, and lay their treasures at the feet of our civilization. The material, intellectual and mechanical deterioration of the one, and the unprecedented progress of the other, stand in great contrast; in all that makes the nation great,—morally, religiously and socially, the young nation is ahead.

"Following the tracks of righteousness throughout the centuries and along the way of nations, we are prepared to recommend it to all and assert without a shadow of doubt, that "Righteousness exalted a nation"; but on the other hand following the foot-prints of sin amid the ruins of Empires and remains of cities, we will say that "sin is a reproach to any people." But we call on all American citizens to love their country, and look not on the sins of the past, but arming ourselves for the conflict of the future, girding ourselves in the habiliments of Righteousness, march forth with the courage of a Numidian lion and with the confidence of a Roman Gladiator, and meet the demands of the age, and satisfy the duties of the hour. Let us be encouraged in our work, for we have found the moccasin track of Righteousness all along the shore of the stream of life, constantly advancing, holding humanity with a firm hand. We have seen it “through” all the confusion of rising and falling States, of battle, siege and slaughter, of victory and defeat; through the varying fortunes and ultimate extinctions of Monarchies, Republics and Empires; through barbaric irruption and desolation, feudal isolation, spiritual supremacy, the heroic rush and conflict of the Cross and Crescent; amid the busy hum of industry, through the marts of trade and behind the gliding keels of commerce.”

"And in America, the battle-field of modern thought, we can trace the foot-prints of the one and the tracks of the other. So let us use all of our available forces, and especially our young men, and throw them into the conflict of the Right against the Wrong.

"Then let the grand Centennial Thanksgiving song be heard and sung in every house of God; and in every home may thanksgiving sounds be heard, for our race has been emancipated, enfranchised and are now educating, and have the gospel preached to them!

"Sons of freedom, sing the glad hymns of praise on the Western plains! Daughters of sorrow shout the joyful tidings amid the savannahs of the South-land! Proclaim it on the Atlantic's western stand and declare it on the slopes of the Pacific! Humble followers of the Son of Mary, chant the eternal truth in the temple of the Most High, that “Righteousness exalteth a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.”

"We invite every nation, kindred, tongue and people, to come to our land. Come from the bogs of Ireland; come from the dykes of Holland; come from the mountains of Switzerland; and from the sunny plains of Italy; and enjoy a government made for man! Come from the jungles of Africa or Egypt, the university of the infant world; come from Asia the cradle of humanity; come and bring your gifts from the Islands of the South Sea and spice land! Come ye men of every clime and race and see a nation founded in Righteousness, guarded by Justice, and supported by truth and equity, and defended by God!

"When thus united in one grand commonwealth of nationalities the universal prayer will be:

"Show us our Aaron, with his rod of flower!
Our Miriam, with her timbrel soul in tune!
And call some Joshua, in spirits power,
To praise our sun of strength at point of noon.
God of our fathers! over sand and sea,
Still keep our struggling footsteps close to thee."

38 posted on 11/07/2012 7:17:47 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: pnut22
"Hispanics are the future of America and now is the time to ..."

That's right! White Americans don't count and have no future in America. So hurry up and die off white people, abort your children, let your elderly parents and grand parents wither away and die. Just tell them to get euthanized if they can't stand the abuse. And forget about your children having a future in America, because that future belongs to Hispanic invaders. Because that is what you just suggested is the future of white people in America. You sound like another guilty white liberal apologizing to blacks & so called "Hispanics" for being born.

And if you have any notions of "Hispanics" being successful, just take a look at the conditions they created in the countries they came from. Yes, those same Hispanics that are the "future of America" are largely responsible for the mess their countries are in. And they are doing a great job of duplicating that "success" here in America.

39 posted on 11/07/2012 7:26:55 PM PST by StormEye
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To: cripplecreek; Mustangman
Right out of the progressive propaganda playbook

What cripplecreek said.

All that you are doing is what they've been pushing for 60 years: keep moving the line to the left. Just give up a few more basic principles, compromise, and maybe we'll throw you a bone.

Not.

Total sucker play. Just went down big time yesterday.

40 posted on 11/07/2012 7:29:13 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator

Mark Levin nailed it.

“MARK LEVIN: We conservatives, we do not accept bipartisanship in the pursuit of tyranny. Period. We will not negotiate the terms of our economic and political servitude. Period. We will not abandon our child to a dark and bleak future. We will not accept a fate that is alien to the legacy we inherited from every single future generation in this country. We will not accept social engineering by politicians and bureaucrats who treat us like lab rats, rather than self-sufficient human beings. There are those in this country who choose tyranny over liberty. They do not speak for us, 57 million of us who voted against this yesterday, and they do not get to dictate to us under our Constitution.

We are the alternative. We will resist. We’re not going to surrender to this. We will not be passive, we will not be compliant in our demise. We’re not good losers, you better believe we’re sore losers! A good loser is a loser forever. Now I hear we’re called ‘purists.’ Conservatives are called purists. The very people who keep nominating moderates, now call us purists the way the left calls us purists. Yeah, things like liberty, and property rights, individual sovereignty, and the Constitution, and capitalism. We’re purists now. And we have to hear this crap from conservatives, or pseudo-conservatives, Republicans.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956821/posts


41 posted on 11/07/2012 7:36:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: RamingtonStall
Election fraud is exactly what happened.

What we have to do is prove it.

How coincidental that with the exception of Ensign in Nevada (not really a battleground state) all (R) senators in Battlegrounds (VA, FL, OH, WI) went down even as they did in states carried handily by Romney (IN, MO, ND, MT)? In fact we almost knew the Senate seat loss before we knew the Presidential outcome.

What about those touch screen shennanigans reported as switches from Romney to Obama?

Each of the battlegrounds VA, FL, OH, WI) are solid (R) -- both chambers and the Gov. Most went that way in 2010. (R)'s won down ticket House races.

What I want to know from tech savvy types is this: how does someone hack a voting machine, how does one detect it?

Can some well placed kid hanging around on a cell phone communicating to an embedded chip in the machine watch voters and time his "click" with that of the voter -- regardless how he intended to vote? Is this possible? In these highly (R) states, will an investigation be launched by their SOSs and Atty Generals to determine what happened?

42 posted on 11/07/2012 8:04:09 PM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: bigbob

First let’s ask and answer the following question:

Do you want American jobs?

Jobs, not imports. Jobs. Until we want jobs, we will not produce a winning party.

American jobs.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 8:07:25 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: loveliberty2

Thanks for that. The only difference between liberals then and now is that the demands are not as openly worshipped, and they are willing to accept incremental victory (and there appear to be more of them).


44 posted on 11/07/2012 8:19:02 PM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Mustangman

Not until you pry the Obamaphone out of their cold dead hands. If welfare reform, meaning getting a job, offends them so much, what makes you think they would love our other economic ideas.


45 posted on 11/07/2012 8:34:51 PM PST by gusty
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To: jda

Tactically, we need to concentrate our fire when the opposition screws up.

Akin and Mourdock utter unfortunate phrases, the whole country hears about it and generalizes to Republicans. How many times did Americans hear about 47% and Bain Capital?

Was there a concerted effort to expose Benghazi? 46 million on food stamps? 57 states? Solyndra? War Powers Act?

Democrats screw up constantly. It works in their favor because we divide our fire at multiple targets. Anthony Weiner went down because he didn’t screw up enough. Bill Clinton is a bleeping hero because he beat back all of our feeble attacks on multiple targets.

I don’t know how we coordinate this, but we need to pick one target and hammer it until it’s in tatters. Then we move onto the next one.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 8:35:41 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Those who voted for Obama are not interested in jobs. That would mean they would have to roll out of the hammock and actually work and produce something. No my friend, the sad fact is that the majority of the American people do not want a job, they just want free stuff. I truly believe when Romney kept emphasizing that Obama increased the food stamp rolls, and that Romney would create millions of new jobs, he lost the election. It scared the crap out of the new majority, the rainbow coalition


47 posted on 11/07/2012 8:42:18 PM PST by gusty
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To: Tymesup
we need to concentrate our fire when the opposition screws up

Unfortunately, we do concentrate our fire when one of our own screws up.

48 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:40 PM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Tymesup

The 46 million on food stamps are the ones who won.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:44 PM PST by gusty
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To: jda

What Republicans need to do to win again:

Start deporting illegals.
Build the fence.
Punish employers who hire illegals.
No more anchor babies.
No more welfare, food stamps, etc., for illegals.
A moratorium on legal immigration.
Conservatives start having more babies.

Then, in 20 years or so, we can get elected again. But we all know none of this is going to happen, ever. There’s been so much immigration in the past 30 years, we are getting outnumbered and cannot “offend” them.

So...it’s over.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 8:50:26 PM PST by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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