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America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers
Fox News ^ | Published July 12, 2012 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 11/07/2012 3:51:00 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

Abe Lincoln used those words in 1858 to describe a country that was careening toward civil war. Now we’re a house divided again and another civil war is coming, with the 2012 election as its Gettysburg.

Call it America’s coming civil war between the Makers and the Takers.

On one side are those who create wealth, America’s private sector–the very ones targeted by President Obama’s tax hikes announced Monday.

On the other are the public employee unions; left-leaning intelligentsia who see the growth of government as index of progress; and the millions of Americans now dependent on government through a growing network of government transfer payments, from Medicaid and Social Security to college loans and corporate bailouts and handouts (think GM and Solyndra).

Over the past century America’s private sector has been the source of productivity, innovation, creativity, and growth–and gave us the iPhone and iPad. The public sector has been the engine of entitlement, stagnation, and decline -- and gave us Detroit and the South Bronx.

The private sector built the strongest economy in the world. It armed the free world in World War Two, and then in the three decades after the war turned America into the most prosperous society history had ever seen. It revived America in the Reagan and Clinton years, and thanks to the Bush tax cuts brought this country back from economic collapse after 9/11.

In those same years a growing public sector, by contrast, turned Europe into a cesspool of debt, stalled economies, and chronic social dysfunction that’s set the streets of Athens -- and perhaps other European capitals--on fire.

That’s where we’re headed, too, more rapidly than we like to think.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; civilwar; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; govtabuse; liberalfascism; liberalism; liberals; obama; obamavoters; progressives; shtf; socialism; socialistdemocrats; tyranny; waronliberty; welfarestate
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1 posted on 11/07/2012 3:51:04 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Where’s the link to the Fox News article?


2 posted on 11/07/2012 3:52:30 PM PST by NoLibZone ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic")
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To: MinorityRepublican

bump


3 posted on 11/07/2012 3:52:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Bring it on, it’s way overdue.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 3:52:59 PM PST by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

‘takers’ = moochers and looters (those with political connections, like Uncle Warren Buffet)


5 posted on 11/07/2012 3:54:57 PM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

A prediction I made on another FP article after the election last night:

Texas will float a trial balloon dealing with succession from the US and will find a significant number of states in agreement with them. This will result in either a new political block that neither DC republicans nor democrats know how to deal with or start in motion the actual succession of states from the US. Maker states, like farming country et al, tired of supporting taker states like Ca, NY, NJ, Mass, Il. If succession becomes a viable option Eastern Washington, Eastern Ca., SW Illinois and Northern Fla will try to break away from the taker socialist parts of their states.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 3:56:19 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: izzatzo

Can’t happen soon enough in my opinion. They are on notice.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 3:56:36 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: NoLibZone; Admin Moderator

America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers

8 posted on 11/07/2012 3:57:09 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: izzatzo

I’ve said this for the longest time...

whenever anyone says the next civil war will be the haves versus the have nots i tell them BS- its going to be those that do (take responsibility for themselves) versus those who won’t (take responsibility for themselves)...


9 posted on 11/07/2012 3:57:30 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: MinorityRepublican
There is a possibility that basically white and middle class areas in the US will eventually try to secede. If so there will be blood and the sort of actions seen in Syria is not impossible here. One thing is that the unworthy Americans that voted for the Kenyan Santa Claus and the liberal leaders are basically cowards. Bullies perhaps but mostly cowardly bullies. The big question is , as now in Syria how much of the armed forces will be loyal to the government. If there is significant amounts of the armed forces in seceded areas (think Fort Hood) that side with the secessionists then there will be a lot of dead people before it ends.
10 posted on 11/07/2012 4:00:06 PM PST by robowombat
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To: God luvs America

we have lost the takers have won it is over sorry hate to be so down but we are


11 posted on 11/07/2012 4:00:13 PM PST by kevman (happily intolerant of things i will not tolerate!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

A Crypto-Communist twice-elected to highest office: That’s the way the country crumbles.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 4:00:27 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (double trouble, here we come)
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To: MinorityRepublican

13 posted on 11/07/2012 4:00:45 PM PST by Paladin2 (.)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

several years ago on the political forum at a football site, a smug yet usual ignorant left winger laughed at the thought of succession, stating that the red states would never survive without the blue states....

i reminded him that the bread basket, oil reserves, etc are found in the red states and told him you can move Wall Street from NY to downtown Dallas but the bread basket ain’t going anywhere....he quickly shut his mouth...


14 posted on 11/07/2012 4:09:07 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Well, now we know which side won at “Gettysberg”.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 4:10:18 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’m so sick and tired about seeing this bullshit about a comng civil war? It isn’t going to happen.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 4:11:43 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I am old and somewhat grey but, where do I sign up?


17 posted on 11/07/2012 4:13:28 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: unixfox
" They are on notice."

What are we gonna do? VOTE them out? That worked real well yesterday.

The Kenyan must go.

18 posted on 11/07/2012 4:14:59 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: God luvs America

Exactly. All one has to do is look at the various EV maps. Plus many of the farming states now have oil, gas and coal, i.e. ND, WY. The union hosses and bosses in NJ would be left trying to unionize dumpster diving in NJ, NYC because that would be their only source of income and food.

Also, as you mentioned, many former NYC/Wall Street companies already moved to DFW in the ‘80s and ‘90’s. So those willng to leave NYC or Chi-town would find it easy to do.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 4:16:06 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: Ajnin

That’s what they said in the 1850’s too...


20 posted on 11/07/2012 4:16:19 PM PST by mom4melody
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To: Ajnin

Why do Freepers delude themselves about the possibilty about a Civil War? For a variety of reasons, but perhaps the most popular is the idea that we can turn the tide of abject tyranny to liberty in our lifetime.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 4:17:20 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: robowombat
" there will be a lot of dead people before it ends.

Let's get it over with as soon as possible then. Maybe our kids will actually stand a chance in this world.

Peter is sick of paying for Paul


22 posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:55 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

The word is “secession.”


23 posted on 11/07/2012 4:19:31 PM PST by dinodino
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

Will never happen, at least not in a way that would have any result that would benefit liberty.

Obama already has EO’s in place (and possibly countless others) that nationalize the nation’s farm and food production. When it comes down to it - the state will use brute force to take over and secure those growing regions.

How many will be willing to die to “starve” other Americans? That’s what will be said, and the nation will applaud armed force used to confiscate what the state needs to hand out sustenance to it’s slave class.

That’s the facts. It’s not going to be North versus South here. Because it will be your own locals who come along with Obama’s army to take what they requisition for themselves.

But we can choose to resist, and decide how we will go out. FOr that is the only real freedom we have left to us.

And eventually - tyranny even takes that away from it’s people.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 4:19:49 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Who is John Galt?


25 posted on 11/07/2012 4:21:05 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

What’s sad is only 3 states determined the outcome of this horrible election. My vote in California really didn’t count.

Looking at the numbers for Karl Rove’s 3-2-1 strategy, Romney actually won the popular vote by 29,000 in those 6 states but the distribution of votes changed the electorial college results.

(disclaimer: not an endorsement of Rove)


26 posted on 11/07/2012 4:22:08 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost
Maybe you're unaware of this, but agriculture is one of the major industries in NY state. It is THE MAJOR industry in PA, VT, OH, WI, CA, ...

The "Blue States" are in fact blue harbor cities along the coasts and the Mississsippi river. If the secession occurs along state lines (unlikely) the Blue States will have more of the food. There isn't much growing in WY or ND or the intermountain West. It's about water. Not space.

27 posted on 11/07/2012 4:22:57 PM PST by FredZarguna (I'm sorry, General Washington. We owed you and the men at Valley Forge so much more than this.)
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To: Ajnin
Oh, yes it will. Wait till the bills start coming due and no one will lend us the dough (the debt ceiling will be reached by the end of this year).

"What if they had a T-Bill auction and no one showed up?".


28 posted on 11/07/2012 4:25:18 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Remember in the Obama 2016 movie the assertion that Bronco’s desire was to get revenge and to make us feel the pain of the third world countries? Well, the cities of this country represent the modern “USA” cool people, sleek venues, penthouse apartments, etc. and the rural areas are sort of like the third world to those cities in that they plunder the resources, make fun of “backward ways” and want the bitter clingers to show up only when there is real work, dirt on the hands style to be done, people to be rescued, oil to be pumped, etc. Otherwise, rural areas are a joke to them. So, in some ways, “mission accomplished.”


29 posted on 11/07/2012 4:25:40 PM PST by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

“Succession” = “secession” (from “secede”)


30 posted on 11/07/2012 4:26:01 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: robowombat
If so there will be blood and the sort of actions seen in Syria is not impossible here.

I will say this in every one of these threads:

1) Dissolution is inevitable. You can't micromanage 300 million people.

2) People hankering for some sort of war or violence are idiots. What happens when you lose? Just keep the issue out there. Keep it on people's minds. Ultimately the natural dislike between the two groups will make the decision mutual and mutually beneficial.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 4:26:55 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: mom4melody

This isn’t the 1850’s. By the outbreak of hostilites in 1861 we had two distinct cultures that had clear geographical and economic boundaries. The North and South were in effect two different countries.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 4:27:23 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: unixfox

Let them have their liberal socialist utopia up in the north east and west coast so long as they take all their nut obs, cross dressers, illegals and homosexual radicals.

I;m sick of them moving to states to push their socialist agenda


33 posted on 11/07/2012 4:28:35 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: unixfox

Let them have their liberal socialist utopia up in the north east and west coast so long as they take all their nut obs, cross dressers, illegals and homosexual radicals.

I;m sick of them moving to states to push their socialist agenda


34 posted on 11/07/2012 4:28:58 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost
Louisiana has started a petition today

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-louisiana-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/1wrvtngl

35 posted on 11/07/2012 4:30:47 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

Division of the Nation would be the best way to handle the opposites that reside here. If global socialism lives, freedom dies. If freedom lives, global socialism dies.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 4:30:47 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Ajnin
By the outbreak of hostilites in 1861 we had two distinct cultures that had clear geographical and economic boundaries.

Compare the average inner city to a suburb 20 miles away in the red states.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 4:31:11 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: robowombat
I honestly doubt we would see much violence. How many in our military want to fight Americans to uphold tyranny? Even if they don't agree with succession most will not have a principled belief in fighting for a broken and divided union. It's not the same time as our first civil war. I support that we attempt something like this to salvage anything we can of the nation we were meant to be, and I believe it's the only option we have with any chance of success; I don't believe it will be violent however, but with that said we must be willing to face whatever happens once we decide to take this road. Even if we fail it is our only choice, and that makes this an easy decision for me. We are collapsing, and need to do it on our own terms, and save what we can of the country our founders envisioned.
38 posted on 11/07/2012 4:32:52 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (We must start working outside the broken, corrupt, and unconstitutional system to save this nation.)
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To: Ajnin
The North and South were in effect two different countries.

You mean kinda like red and blue America?

39 posted on 11/07/2012 4:34:39 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Ajnin

“I’m so sick and tired about seeing this bullshit about a comng civil war? It isn’t going to happen.”

Why? Because YOU say so? idiot.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 4:36:20 PM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

Just as long as those states that decide to secede remember that there are many conservatives stuck in progressive states that would gladly move and pledge allegiance to a conservative confederacy.

Not everyone that lives in Massachusetts is a loony tune liberal, and not every Texan is to the right of Barry Goldwater.

Otherwise, I do not see another avenue to pursue.

Obama is going to go full radical in the next four years, proving his Cloward/Piven bona fides.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 4:39:22 PM PST by turfmann
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To: MinorityRepublican

I have been predicting this today, and it would not surprise me if this happens.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 4:44:09 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: CodeToad
Why? Because YOU say so? idiot.

No, not because I say so but because I have been hearing this bullshit for that last 20 years and guess what...no Civil War II.

And I know what you are going to say before you even say it. You were going to tell me that things weren't that bad before. Right? See I knew it before you even did.

44 posted on 11/07/2012 4:45:41 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: FredZarguna

We’re ready to join the State of Iroquois — “New York” north & west of the NY City-state...


45 posted on 11/07/2012 4:47:16 PM PST by mikrofon (+ Prayers for America +)
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To: MinorityRepublican

One way to win this whole thing would be for the workers to all quit and starve the governments ass to death for lack of tax money. Sure it would be tough but most of us could survive. I mean if we all refuse to work what can they do? Nothing. If we don’t work the tax well runs dry overnight..” The beggars would get nothing from their slavemasters because they would have nothing to give. If everyone would just go Galt....


46 posted on 11/07/2012 4:47:24 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Thank-you for the link.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 4:48:42 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Ajnin

Wrong. What I was going to say is, “Pussy! You just stick that itty-bitty head of yours in the sand and keep thinking you’ve got it all figured out, we’ll handle this.”


48 posted on 11/07/2012 4:51:31 PM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Ajnin

You forget the coming financial collapse....by the time Obama is done in 2016, we will be $20-25 TRILLION in debt, not including upwards of $100 TRILLION in obligations to Social Security and Medicare. Not enough money on the planet to cover that hole...

When the money runs out and the freeloaders stop receiving their freebies, the shooting will begin. One only need to look at the Sandy aftermath and the chaos there. Extrapolate that across the country and hopefully you get a good glimpse of what IS COMING.

The USA simply cannot survive the dependency class in its’ current form. The math don’t lie.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 4:52:05 PM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared.....for what's coming AFTER America.)
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To: IronJack
You mean kinda like red and blue America?

Okay who has the latest red/blue county map? Let's see how we're going to divide this country up.

50 posted on 11/07/2012 4:53:10 PM PST by FreeReign
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