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287,301 in 4 states
Election results | 7 November 2012 | JLS

Posted on 11/07/2012 10:51:37 AM PST by JLS

To me seemingly lost among this hand wringing today is that Romney lost to Obama by less than 300,000 votes of out almost 117,000,000 votes casts. The electoral college can fool one into thinking a close election is a blowout.

This was a close election. As of when I started to write this, had Mitt Romney won 46,040 more votes in Florida and 33,770 more votes in New Hampshire, 100,764 more votes in Ohio and 106,726 more votes in Virginia or 287,301 out of more than 17,500,000 cast in those 4 states.

http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results

People here and on the radio need to quit talking like all is lost. There is a GOP House and a cloture proof minority in the Senate and that alone will keep any new initiatives like Obama care from being passed.

As expected, according to the exit polls Romney did better than McCain with women, blacks, Jews, Catholics, etc almost ever demographic except two. Those two were hispanic-Americans and Asian-Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/2012-exit-polls/


TOPICS: FReeper Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arithmetic; electionresults; vanity
But Romney did not do enough better with these groups to win. So what are some of the reasons this happened:

1. Incumbents are hard to beat. The public liked the guy to begin with and some will not want to change.

2. Natural disasters cause people to feel uncertain and in times of uncertainty people become more conservative and go with the guy they know.

3. Romney failed at turnout.

Certainly there was nothing Romney could have done about incumbency. Also nothing Romney could have done about superstorm Christy/Sandy. Certainly Romney could have turned out the vote.

Romney apparently thought he had it won and was talking about working with the other side, while Obama was appealing to his base. Romney followed conventional wisdom and that may well have tipped the balance.

1 posted on 11/07/2012 10:51:44 AM PST by JLS
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To: JLS
The GOP ran into the Obama campaign buzz saw. That's it.

Voter Id laws work, there is less votes. The Dems won't get these numbers again for a while.

The GOP needs to work on attracting younger voters. All is not lost.

2 posted on 11/07/2012 10:57:12 AM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: JLS

I think you are on to something about the Great Storm of 2012. It was an October Surprise that no one could anticipate.

Makes you wonder whose side God is on?

Is it a chastisement?


3 posted on 11/07/2012 10:57:20 AM PST by miserare
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To: JLS

Drudge is showing Romney behind Obama by 2 1/2 million votes. That’s pretty decisive.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 10:57:32 AM PST by driftless2
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Romney underperforming McCain overall tells me that there is something we are missing. All I can think of is the Mormon thing. Romney ran more to the right than most expected after he won the nomination, but a lot of the Bush 2004 voters STILL stayed home, along with some of the MCCAIN voters...and Obama didn’t get them.

Romney ran a campaign TEN TIMES better than McCain, and McCain is hardly any more conservative than Romney.....I am struggling to explain that one. All I can come up with is the Mormon thing. Iowa, Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin...lower totals in North Carolina..Virginia...

A decent sized section of Protestants really do view the Mormons as a cult. I just thought the economy and the anti Obama view would outweigh that. Maybe it didn’t?


5 posted on 11/07/2012 10:58:53 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: JLS

Elections have been close like this for quite some time now. Doesn’t mean too much.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 10:59:43 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: JLS
287,301 in 4 states

Certainly within the range that could've included VOTE FRAUD by numerous means, not the least of which could be hacked voting machines.

7 posted on 11/07/2012 11:00:05 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil)
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To: JLS

However, Obama DID win.

And the demographic groups won’t get any better for Republicans.

No Republican will get this close to being elected until the coming catastrophic economic collapse.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 11:02:16 AM PST by brownsfan (It's over.)
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To: JLS
in times of uncertainty people become more conservative and go with the guy they know

The irony is not lost here…

9 posted on 11/07/2012 11:02:52 AM PST by mikrofon (+ Prayers for America +)
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To: Crimson Elephant

we’re missing several things including:

1) balls on those who run the GOP

2) results and ideas from the GOP lead congress...

they go hand in hand... the GOP lost a lot of good congressmen and women yesterday in part as they were seen as obstructionists who offered little in the way of alternatives...they were blamed for everything yet the GOPe did not have the courage to point the finger at obama and the rats...


10 posted on 11/07/2012 11:03:00 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: JLS

I am reminded of the South Carolina Primary. Was that a clue that Romney would not have the “it” factor?


11 posted on 11/07/2012 11:05:01 AM PST by glm
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To: RIghtwardHo

It means rather than worry about changing your approach completely, you need to:

1. work on turning out better

2. message better.

You do not need to abandon your philosophy as the Dim and the MSMediots always try to say when an Obama wins by a 300,000 vote “landslide” like this. Notice Reid is already moving to limit minority rights in the Senate in reaction to this landslide.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 11:05:19 AM PST by JLS
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To: driftless2
Drudge is showing Romney behind Obama by 2 1/2 million votes. That’s pretty decisive.

Plus there are indications that voter turnout was behind both 2008 and 2004. Both D and R. Where were our people? Why didn't they vote?

13 posted on 11/07/2012 11:07:04 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Maybe you are on to something with the Mormon thing. I view them as a cult (albeit a pretty benign one), but I still voted for him. Maybe a lot of people stayed home because of it.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 11:08:44 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: Theoria

Exactly though I would not use the term “buzz saw.” Romney did not quite get over the hump against an incumbent president for a number of reasons, some beyond his control and some he failed to control.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 11:09:30 AM PST by JLS
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To: JLS
People here and on the radio need to quit talking like all is lost.

All is not lost.. after all we still have sunshine and butterflies.

Thanks for the pep-talk, but what's happening to America is nothing less hideous disaster. It would have been such, even if Romney would have squeaked by last night. We simply can't function as a nation when half the population are functional morons.

REAL morons. Literally functional morons.

16 posted on 11/07/2012 11:10:09 AM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: brownsfan

So you are back in 2008 where the GOP/conservatives will never win for a generation? I happen to remember 2010.

I know this is a closely divided country where each election is hard fought. You can believe the Dim/MSMediot spin that any close Dim win is a landslide showing the political landscape has changed if you want.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 11:15:02 AM PST by JLS
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To: cdcdawg

Yes I have to admit I feel the same way, and I still voted for him, but I definitely can see it costing votes, though I thought it would be more in the South...however, it might have hurt a LOT in the panhandle and in Ohio and Virginia.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 11:18:03 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: miserare
Makes you wonder whose side God is on?

Actually, it is up to each one of us to be sure we are on God's side, to the extent we can.

With roe vs wade, queer marriage, booting God from schools and the public square, along with a couple/three other biggies, it is clear that the majority of Americans are not on God's side. While God loves people, He cares not one whit for nations. They come and they go. The United States will collapse, as surely as sh!t stinks.

The thinking behind headlines like "Brown wins big with passage of Prop 30" will ensure that collapse. California is already past the tipping point. Rather than spend what they have left on an attempted recovery, they are lusting after a high speed train to hurry them on their way to disaster.

Before the big fall, the wealth of some states will be diverted through the US Treasury to prop California (and other states) up. But, as surely as that malodorous excrement mentioned above the day of calamity will come.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 11:21:44 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: JLS

In any lost election it is easy to do a what-if and contrive another outcome.

Citing 300k is just cherry picking in my opinion as we lost the popular vote by 2.5 million and while we all understand that it is the electoral college process that is the actual instrument that elects the President, it is a reflection of voters in each state electing those electors by their choice for President.

When we can’t get a majority of the people to not elect the most socialist incompetent performer with a bad track record, we have to acknowledge that the clowns have control of the fun house.

Not only did Obama get a majority of electoral votes, he got a solid majority of popular votes across the nation. Not only did Romney loose on both, he pulled less voters than McCain! Think of that — less than McCain the guy that channeled Richard Nixon in a lot of minds — Romney couldn’t pull as well as McCain even after the country knew what a disaster Obama was from a record of four years.

Our countrymen are no longer made up in the majority with people that think like we and our ancestors thought, lived and believed — that is what has been solidly shown by this election regardless of Romney’s warts. That is a sobering thought.

We could previously look at the subversion of our culture and country and see it as being instituted by a malicous minority of leftist activists. Now we must realize that they have done their work, their brainwashing, their re-education and we are the minority while our countrymen have chosen to go down the rabbit hole of history.

Previously we could look at ourselves as the protectors and rescue force, with all the associated self congratulations — now we are the forces trying to sell Change — we are outside the majority and we must consider that our countrymen have to want what we offer.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 11:31:38 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: JLS
"Early voting gave Dems weeks to ship low info voters to polls." - Dan Gainor (Media Research Council)
21 posted on 11/07/2012 11:37:00 AM PST by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: StAnDeliver

And I bet those some morons voted again on election day.

Who the hell ever allowed “early voting?” You should have to vote either absentee or on election day.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 11:44:27 AM PST by TJ Jackson
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To: JLS

Great points. completely agree. People here need to grow a set. I mean, I know its not all roses either, but this emoting is rather, I dunno, liberal...


23 posted on 11/07/2012 11:50:53 AM PST by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: KC Burke

Well said KC. Unfortunately, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 11:54:41 AM PST by Nicojones
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To: Paradox

Well put.

BTW, I left unsaid, had Romney squeaked this out all would be giddy today. The country is the same either way.

Yes Obama will do some damage. Most of it can be undone and no major Obama care like legislation can pass. The biggest worry is Supreme Court retirements.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 12:03:24 PM PST by JLS
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To: JLS
BTW, I left unsaid, had Romney squeaked this out all would be giddy today. The country is the same either way.

Yeah, like a close football game that comes down to the final play. You make it? You are a genius, the best, all is well. You missed it? You are an idiot, the worst, all is hell...

26 posted on 11/07/2012 12:17:07 PM PST by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: Theoria
The GOP needs to work on attracting younger voters. All is not lost.

The Class of '09 College Graduates who will still be working as part-time cashiers would be a great place to start.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 12:21:02 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Theoria
The GOP needs to work on attracting younger voters. All is not lost.

The Class of '09 College Graduates who will still be working as part-time cashiers would be a great place to start.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 12:21:18 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: brownsfan

Brownsfan, the demographics may not get better, but the way they are aggregated could certainly improve.
I’m of a mind that we have confirmed the tipping point is past; that, based on the current model, the takers who vote will be able to control the producers who vote by sheer numbers in a few small, geographically distinct areas.
If we were a nation of 150 states, carved from the current 50 (or 57 for the Zero fans), with the associated dispersal of Electoral College votes, then we would be much closer to a model that better emulates the national demographics, improves representation, and brings a bit more ‘level’ to the playing field.

The alternative: three distinct countries. One that is the Northeast/Michigan/Wisconsin/DC, one the Left Coast (all of it), and the third all the rest.

I’m fine with either model. Let’s get started.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 12:24:26 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

plus votes that went to Gary Johnson


30 posted on 11/07/2012 12:38:20 PM PST by redtetrahedron ("Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee" - Jer 1:5)
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To: JLS

“Most of it can be undone and no major Obama care like legislation can pass.”

BO has shown he has little real respect for the Constitution. He’ll just make an end run around that pesky Legislative Branch by continuing to issue executive orders.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:04 PM PST by redtetrahedron ("Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee" - Jer 1:5)
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To: JLS
Romney lost to Obama by less than 300,000 votes of out almost 117,000,000...so where were these 300,000 potential voters? - don't blame it on Romney, on the 'rats, on Sandy - they were lazy, ignorant, too offended by something or other - whatever, the loss is squarely on the shoulders of those who could have and should have voted - the woman in front of me when I was signing in to vote was being pushed in a wheelchair by an attendant. She had only leg but she had managed to get to the polling place and in that she was black, I have a hunch who she voted for - 'rats want to win, half the 'pubs want to play who can be more offended than who.......
32 posted on 11/07/2012 12:46:27 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Crimson Elephant

The margin was small enough that this Mormon factor could be a substantial part of the explanation for the margin in this election, but I’m guessing not the total vote decline since 2008.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 12:49:57 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Sooth2222

I’ll suggest negative advertising in the swing states depressed the turnout. That is the purpose of negative advertising. Barry and crew started early and hard at this without any response from Romney.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 5:47:17 PM PST by 103198
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To: brownsfan

I see the biggest change in the last 2 decades as the ongoing growth of Hispanics (legal and illegal).
Bigger than the black bloc now and 70% plus Dem. votes.
It’s changed the landscape.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 5:53:15 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy; 2016)
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To: JLS

Turnout went down about 10%, by about 12 million votes. 80% of those votes came from Obama’s 2008 totals, the other 20% from McCain’s.

That is a bizarre result. As has been reported, I think a president hasn’t won reelection with less vote than he was elected with in 40 years or so.

I don’t think the conventional analysis of who “won” applies in this case. People abandoned both parties this time, but by a 4-to-1 margin they abandoned Obama more.

Granted, the huge base Obama started with was the fundamental problem. It seems people now believe Obama is as likely to fix the economy as they thought McCain was in 2008. But they remained even more unconvinced that the Republicans could do it either. The biggest failure of Romney seems to be his failure to respond to Obama’s totally dishonest attacks that Romney would “continue the Bush policies that caused the crisis.”


36 posted on 11/07/2012 5:57:10 PM PST by JediJones (Vote NO on Proposition Zero! Tuesday, November 6th!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks JLS.
Romney lost to Obama by less than 300,000 votes of out almost 117,000,000 votes casts. The electoral college can fool one into thinking a close election is a blowout.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 8:22:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: RobinOfKingston

I think you may be a prophet.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 3:14:53 PM PST by miserare
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