Skip to comments.So, for 2016--is it Rubio, Cruz, or Martinez?
Posted on 11/07/2012 8:00:21 AM PST by mtrott
OK, is there now any doubt that the next republican presidential candidate MUST be a hispanic? IMO, there is zero chance of a republican garnering more than 5% of the black vote, and, apparently, we now have so many single women who are government-dependent that a republican cannot overcome the gender gap to any significant degree.
Since the nation seems to have been irretrievably divided up into disparate voting blocks and interest groups, it seem to me there is no other choice for the republicans than to spend the next 4 years in an all out campaign to win over the hispanic vote.
The question is, who, among prominent hispanic potential GOP candidates is the strongest alternative, and why? Rubio, Susana Martinez, and Ted Cruz immediately come to mind, but perhaps there are more. I would even go so far as to support a double hispanic ticket with a female included, such as Rubio/Martinez, Cruz/Martinez, etc. The republicans absolutely have to win in 2016, or I fear it is over for them.
Let’s double down.. Rubio/Martinez ticket.
It’s all identity politics now, so pick Martinez and whichever guy is better looking. If women are so superficial that they bought into Obama’s “vote your lady parts” BS, we should give them Barabbas.
Have to figure out who we are, what we really stand for, and how to communicate before picking a candidate.
I would also tell you I do not believe Ted Cruz is a national candidate. Will be a good senator, but not a national candidate.
Pick your candidates based on racial identity if you like. I’ll have none of it. Jeb Bush, Rubio, and the like would all do nothing to stop illegal immigration, and would in fact encourage more of Mexico to come here, thereby making our problems worse.
You overestimate the GOP.
The top contenders, no matter how much we gripe are:
Chris Christie (Yes, he is)
Marco Rubio has a shot if he runs, but he will suffer the same vote-splitting that Conservatives did this time around in the primaries, most likely because of immigration.
Bobby Jindal is another outside shot.
Mike Pence - he’s the ideal GOP presidential candidate. A real conservative... everything Romney wasn’t. The GOP liberal establishment didn’t want him this year.
If the GOP liberal establishment keeps pimping on us Democrat-lite liberal candidates, it will lose. On domestic and foreign policy, Romney was to the left of Obama. Incredible but true. The voters weren’t fooled and will pick the Classic Coke over the New Coke any day.
If we don’t nominate a real conservative in 2016, we had better start planning for the next defeat.
And, oh yeah, the Republican party is toast.
I said it in another post. Gov. Luis Fortuno of Puerto Rico. Check out his record, check out his resume, check out his videos. Should have been given far more consideration for the VEEP spot this time around.
In California Republicans have tried the “we should just do whatever Democrats do” thing. It doesn’t work.
Democrats are always going to be better at playing that game than Republicans.
I know 2010 was the GOP wave, but Marco Rubio got 49% of the vote in a 3 way race with one of the candidates being the sitting governor.
To me, that was absolutely incredible.
Unless Senator Rubio has some crazy skeletons in the closet that Axelrod will dig up, he’s my pick.
I would love to see how the media will try to challenge his outreach to Latino voters as he’s giving a speech in fluent Spanish somewhere.
If all that is left to us is to pander to an ethnic group by offering a candidate from their group, then it doesn’t matter. We are finished. Also, if any of those people accepted the nomination based on that strategy, I would lose all respect for them.
OK, Rubio/Martinez then.
The game is over.
OMG can we not give politics a rest, it has been less than 24 hrs since the polls closed, what next start the republicans primaries tomorrow>
What’s this obsession with Rubio? He is a Establishment pet that make good speeches - he is the shadow for Jeb Bush
Jeb Bush - won’t win because people hate the Bush brand.
Christie Christie - America will never elect a slob as its President.
Bob McDonnell - decent guy but I’m not sure he could carry what VA is today.
I prefer Mike Pence but I don’t think the liberal GOP establishment wants him.
We’ll get another crappy liberal lite candidate in 2016 who will lose to the Democrats.
I have probably voted my last national election. We’re always given the absolute WORST candidates - haven’t had a really good choice since Reagan.
America’s days are clearly waning. Crumbling cities, rising crime and constant high unemployment is proof of that.
To hope we’d get a candidate with morals, experience and intelligence is asking too much. American’s don’t value that. They value “what’s in it for me” and who has the most Hollywood/music one-percenters standing around them.
I could give two $hits who the GOP picks for 2016. This was my last election. I’m done with them all.
It will be Hillary in 2016. Let’s not kid ourselves. Rubio is too smart to put himself on the line like that.
The problem is that if history is any guide, they’ll all run and Jebbie or Fatso will win the nomination with about 1/3 of the votes.
It doesn’t matter. Republicans can’t win. We can not attract the hispanic or black vote because they just want freebies. America is not interested in what republicans are selling. Simple as that.
A winning ticket would be Rubio/Jindal.
It won’t happen.
Martinez, she has the Executive experience. With Rubio as VP.
Maybe we can get one of them to announce that they’re gay and another to start gender reassignment, then we’ll have a chance.
In 2008 130 million people voted. In 2012 only 118 million voted. About 12 million stayed home. Who were they? Ron Paul supporters, Evangelical Christians and Reagan Democrats. Ron Paul supporters were dissed at the convention and Christians were told to keep a low profile. Obama turned off the Reagan Democrats who could not vote GOP thus stayed home. If the GOP can reach out to these three groups, maybe the election result in 2012 would be different.
Isn’t it Mike Pence that got busted paying off the Husband of his mistress last year?? Or was it someone else?
As someone who supported Cruz early on and who is delighted that he won, I have to agree with you. He has a future as a great senator but he just doesn't project as presidential (too much Wally Cox, not enough Charlton Heston, for those old enough to get the reference).
If the GOP liberal establishment keeps pimping on us Democrat-lite liberal candidates, it will lose. On domestic and foreign policy, Romney was to the left of Obama. Incredible but true. The voters werent fooled and will pick the Classic Coke over the New Coke any day.>>>>>>
Got news for you, the GOP has been pimping Dem. lite for a long time, and will continue to do so. The GOP is as much to blame for the destruction as the Dems....already Boner is rolling over and making nice. I’m done holding my nose, and I’m done with the GOP.
IMHO, time for Ret. Lt. Col. Allen West to run ! Far different than Ret. Gen. Colon Powell. IMHO, I always thought of Colon as being very weak.
I don’t advocate running a hispanic in order to pander to them. It’s to get them to actually listen to and consider a republican candidate.
absolutely NONE OF THE ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too soon for me to think about it. Still treating my headache from last night.
Rubio and/or Martinez will be on the next GOP ticket. There is probably no way around it.
We are obviously increasingly unable to win national elections because of how badly we lose with women and minorities. Therefore, I’d imagine both slots on our next ticket will be a minority and/or woman. It’s sad that identity politics is so important, but it is and we are going to have to run with that.
Cruz was also born in Canada and is therefore not eligible for a run at the Presidency. Not that that is always a problem... /sarc
They were discussing this on the radio today. Conservatism is perceived as a value of white, Christian, male, rural/small town types. Yesterday, Latinos overwhelming supported a candidate who is diametrically opposed to conservative values. Are we to believe that Latinos are going to have an ideological transformation because conservatives run a Latino? I wouldn’t have a problem supporting a Latino or any other minority — for the right reasons. But I remember hearing talk about Rubio and Jindal in the past and behind the talk was the idea that we have a “colored guy” too. I want the best man/woman for the job. I don’t care about race.
I think we have to be careful in assuming because we have a Hispanic on the ticket we automatically make gains. Look at the tough time black Republicans have. We have to match the names with action. Offer real immigration reform that doesn’t allienate the Hispanics who are here legally.
“Martinez, she has the Executive experience. With Rubio as VP.”
I have no objection to that either.
Typical GOP - try to appeal to hispanics by running an hispanic. Where’s the platform for them? These guys will never learn.
Marco Rubio, the guy who couldn’t deliver Florida for Romney? That Marco Rubio?
Not for me.
I will not vote for any candidate with questionable loyalty.
It’s highly unlikely that I would vote for a Hispanic or black candidate. (One exception would be Sowell. He’d get my enthusiastic vote, but of course, he’s not running. Also a bit too old. But I do love how he thinks.) A black or Hispanic who puts racial identity first or who panders will never get my vote. A muslim will never get my vote. A “token” candidate will never get my vote. An affirmative action candidate will never get my vote.
There was a time when I would have voted for Colin Powell. His traitorous race-first attitude has poisoned the well and has made most black candidates suspect.
Rubio has shown too much interest in preferential treatment for Hispanics.
It’s not a matter of racism (though you can feel free to call me whatever you like). It’s a matter of Americanism. I will only vote for a true American. One who was born and RAISED here.
Look: Stop playing this crap. Skin tone is a liberal game.
What the next candidate needs to be is CONSERVATIVE.
The ONLY thing that will haul the CONSERVATIVE BASE out IN FORCE is a Reaganite (Socon + Ficon + Defcon)
I can guarantee you that it will be found that the Evangelical Christians were split, and that is why you lost.
That anyone expected to win with that yankee gun-grabbin baby-killer in the first place is an amazement to me.
This was entirely predictable.
The country just reelected a communist for four more years. He rules by executive order and there are no checks on his power. What makes you think there will be elections in 2016?
Doesn’t matter. Our huge welfare state and economy-stifling regulations are built-in to the system and impossible to remove. The only solution is to start a new country.
See my post: Starving the Machine
We’ll nominate the next loser in line - Paul Ryan and we’ll lose again.
Its just a GOP rule to pick the dauphin rather than a candidate who can actually win!