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Romans 1 - This is what occurred last night.
The Holy Bible ^ | 57 AD | God Almighty through Paul the Apostle

Posted on 11/07/2012 7:28:38 AM PST by schaef21

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 THEREFORE GOD GAVE THEM UP to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 FOR THIS REASON GOD GAVE THEM UP to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, GOD GAVE THEM OVER to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.


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This verse from the Book of Romans summarizes what occurred last night.

We as a nation are under judgment by a Righteous and Holy God.

1 posted on 11/07/2012 7:28:43 AM PST by schaef21
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To: schaef21

We as a nation are under judgment by a Righteous and Holy God.

Agreed. It is unfortunate that Christians have to suffer the judgement as well. But, Jehovah God promises to provide.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 7:32:11 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: schaef21

Woke up this morning with a spiritual heaviness on me. I discerned the results of this election from that, even before I checked the news. I believe we’re in serious trouble in America.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 7:34:04 AM PST by bearsgirl90
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To: schaef21
Yes indeed. So much talk here on FR is about how to strategize, who to nominate in 2016, and so on. This is all useless. American needs repentance. Polls show Obama one because single women wanted free abortion and free birth control. There is only one reason single women would want those things: They are rejecting God's moral will and going headlong into fornication and promiscuity, and they want someone else to pay for the consequences.

If America is not brought to repentance in sackcloth and ashes, it doesn't matter who we nominate or what political strategies we pursue. Truth cannot win.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

4 posted on 11/07/2012 7:36:29 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: schaef21

I pray we who know Him will draw closer and find our comfort at His feet.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 7:36:43 AM PST by Ramonne
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To: schaef21

Add this as this came from my prayer time last night:

Ezekiel 7

Impending Disaster

7The word of the Lord came to me: 2You, O mortal, thus says the Lord God to the land of Israel:

An end! The end has come
upon the four corners of the land.
3 Now the end is upon you,
I will let loose my anger upon you;
I will judge you according to your ways,
I will punish you for all your abominations.
4 My eye will not spare you, I will have no pity.
I will punish you for your ways,
while your abominations are among you.
Then you shall know that I am the Lord.
5 Thus says the Lord God:
Disaster after disaster! See, it comes.
6 An end has come, the end has come.
It has awakened against you; see, it comes!
7 Your doom* has come to you,
O inhabitant of the land.
The time has come, the day is near—
of tumult, not of revelling on the mountains.
8 Soon now I will pour out my wrath upon you;
I will spend my anger against you.
I will judge you according to your ways,
and punish you for all your abominations.
9 My eye will not spare; I will have no pity.
I will punish you according to your ways,
while your abominations are among you.
Then you shall know that it is I the Lord who strike.
10 See, the day! See, it comes!
Your doom* has gone out.
The rod has blossomed, pride has budded.
11 Violence has grown into a rod of wickedness.
None of them shall remain,
not their abundance, not their wealth;
no pre-eminence among them.*
12 The time has come, the day draws near;
let not the buyer rejoice, nor the seller mourn,
for wrath is upon all their multitude.
13For the sellers shall not return to what has been sold as long as they remain alive. For the vision concerns all their multitude; it shall not be revoked. Because of their iniquity, they cannot maintain their lives.*
14 They have blown the horn and made everything ready;
but no one goes to battle,
for my wrath is upon all their multitude.
15 The sword is outside, pestilence and famine are inside;
those in the field die by the sword;
those in the city—famine and pestilence devour them.
16 If any survivors escape,
they shall be found on the mountains
like doves of the valleys,
all of them moaning over their iniquity.
17 All hands shall grow feeble,
all knees turn to water.
18 They shall put on sackcloth,
horror shall cover them.
Shame shall be on all faces,
baldness on all their heads.
19 They shall fling their silver into the streets,
their gold shall be treated as unclean.
Their silver and gold cannot save them on the day of the wrath of the Lord. They shall not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it. For it was the stumbling-block of their iniquity. 20From their* beautiful ornament, in which they took pride, they made their abominable images, their detestable things; therefore I will make of it an unclean thing to them.
21 I will hand it over to strangers as booty,
to the wicked of the earth as plunder;
they shall profane it.
22 I will avert my face from them,
so that they may profane my treasured* place;
the violent shall enter it,
they shall profane it.
23 Make a chain!*
For the land is full of bloody crimes;
the city is full of violence.
24 I will bring the worst of the nations
to take possession of their houses.
I will put an end to the arrogance of the strong,
and their holy places shall be profaned.
25 When anguish comes, they will seek peace,
but there shall be none.
26 Disaster comes upon disaster,
rumour follows rumour;
they shall keep seeking a vision from the prophet;
instruction shall perish from the priest,
and counsel from the elders.
27 The king shall mourn,
the prince shall be wrapped in despair,
and the hands of the people of the land shall tremble.
According to their way I will deal with them;
according to their own judgements I will judge them.
And they shall know that I am the Lord.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 7:36:55 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: schaef21
You can add this scripture. Yesterday these words came alive.

2 Thess. 2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

7 posted on 11/07/2012 7:37:38 AM PST by BigFinn (The King is coming and He isn't riding a donkey this time.)
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To: schaef21

I know this also to be true. I am still trying to wrap my head around it though. I am bitter and angry and want to lash out right now. However, what is holding me back is the position of leadership in Gods church that I am in. However, I do resent having to hold back and put on the smiling face right now. As I said, still trying to wrap my head around it.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 7:37:57 AM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: schaef21

Check out the Harbinger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcsv4t9SzTg


9 posted on 11/07/2012 7:39:35 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: DarthVader

Amen, Darthvader.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 7:40:35 AM PST by schaef21
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To: schaef21

Listening right now to Neal Boortz on WSB ranting about how religion needs to be removed from our political discourse, ie, opposition to gay marriage, because it’s what cost the GOP the election. Glad he’s retiring.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 7:42:03 AM PST by Catmom
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To: schaef21

Hurrah.... this verse has taugt me so much. This is how people fall away and this is how to remain faithful. “although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened”...#1. glorify Him #2 be thankful #3 keep your thoughts or imagination on Godly things and not on vain (empty or lustful) things...


12 posted on 11/07/2012 7:42:09 AM PST by virgil283 (telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

According to that guy,
the next BIG judgement comes in 2015,
and it will be a DOOZY.

I don’t know if we have that long before the financial collapse, though.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 7:42:33 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Catmom

Anyone that says that religion should be removed from political discourse...I say screw you!


14 posted on 11/07/2012 7:45:20 AM PST by halo66
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To: schaef21
God is still in control..

I woke up yesterday having a sad feeling in my soul..I just was not surprised the Communist pulled this one off ..I say that because after watching and read all the foul things they did yesterday and nothing was done about any of it I knew it wasn't over and the goons are still going to be in charge again..

I have made up my mind to not let this make me ill and live my life as best as I can..I will continue to pray for this country..and walk as close to God as I can..

I have a nagging feeling we will to find things really tough..but we can get through it..

15 posted on 11/07/2012 7:45:28 AM PST by PLD
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To: schaef21

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. (Then elect him again like a Pavlovian dog returns to it’s own vomit!)


16 posted on 11/07/2012 7:45:47 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: schaef21

Wow, so true. We are living in scary times. We must put our trust in God. Also, 2 Timothy 3, below, offers some prescient insight into our current situation and selfish generation:

“But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.”

Paul also gave encouragement later in the chapter, as well as a clue to future persecution that awaits us:

“10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them.

12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”


17 posted on 11/07/2012 7:47:10 AM PST by chickpundit
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To: DarthVader

So appropriate, DarthVader. And, so extremely sobering.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 7:47:49 AM PST by bearsgirl90
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To: schaef21

I believe 2013 will be 40 years since Roe v Wade. 40 seems to be common span of time in the bible. Maybe we’ve used up our grace period.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 7:49:01 AM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

I have never been a big prophecy/end times nut, as I believe God is in control and our job is to just trust in Him.

However, I read the book a couple of weeks ago, not even knowing what it was about (it was a gift). I was stunned. I spent another day researching and verifying everything in the book. I have to admit, it left me a little shaken up. There is no way to discount this and label it as “kooky”. It’s real and it is coming.

Last night just confirmed to me that our time is almost up. I am not saying this is the tribulation but we are getting ready to undergo tribulation. Pray and keep your eyes on Him.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 7:50:05 AM PST by okkev68
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To: DarthVader

I live in Washington state. Last night, the deviants voted in same-sex marriage and legal pot use. This morning, they’re celebrating. But...for how long?

My God is a God of love, mercy, and forgiveness. But sometimes...He has to get our attention first. I have a sick feeling that this is exactly what He’s going to do.

How does a magnitude 9.0 earthquake and tsunami sound?

We’re right next to the Cascadia Subduction Zone. That is the same kind of fault zone as the one off the coast of Japan that let go over a year ago.

Think about it....scientists say that when it finally goes...and they KNOW it will, but not WHEN...all those in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, and pretty much everywhere west of the Cascades are going to experience Hell on Earth.

He has many ways up His sleeve to get our attention. That’s one of them. Watch for it.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 7:50:52 AM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: PLD

***God is still in control..***

Sometimes I think GOD gives up that control, so man can stagger about and fall into a pit of his own making.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 7:51:04 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: Ramonne

I pray we who know Him will draw closer and find our comfort at His feet.

I trust that will be the case. The end will be well worth the rocky road we have to travel to get there. Keep the faith; it is all that matters.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 7:51:54 AM PST by Josephat
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To: Bitsy

Romans 8 is what you need today

Therefore,there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you [a] free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, [b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. [c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us,who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death,but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law,nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

9 You,however,are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ,they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you,then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life [d] because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you,he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of [e] his Spirit who lives in you.

12 Therefore,brothers and sisters,we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh,to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh,you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body,you will live.

14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather,the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. [f] And by him we cry, “Abba, [g] Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children,then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ,if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Present Suffering and Future Glory

18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice,but by the will of the one who subjected it,in hope 21 that [h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.

22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so,but we ourselves,who have the firstfruits of the Spirit,groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship,the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

26 In the same way,the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for,but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him,who [i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son,that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined,he also called; those he called,he also justified; those he justified,he also glorified.

More Than Conquerors

31 What,then,shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us,who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son,but gave him up for us all—how will he not also,along with him,graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

37 No,in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life,neither angels nor demons, [k] neither the present nor the future,nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth,nor anything else in all creation,will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 7:53:07 AM PST by delchiante
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To: schaef21

We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. 1 John 5:19


25 posted on 11/07/2012 7:53:40 AM PST by socal_parrot (I hate to say I told you so, but...)
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To: schaef21

I discerned the same thing last night.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 7:53:45 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Thane_Banquo

If
I were a diabetic, I would have to pay deductibles and co-pays to stay alive while every slut in America will get free pills, condoms, and abortions, that I have to pay for.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 7:57:22 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: schaef21
This verse from the Book of Romans summarizes what occurred last night. We as a nation are under judgment by a Righteous and Holy God.
...Having turned away from the knowledge given by God, the Christian influence on the whole of culture has been lost. In Europe, including England, it took many years---in the United States only a few decades. In the United States, in the short span from the twenties to the sixties, we have seen a complete shift. Ours is a post-Christian world in which Christianity, not only in the number of Christians but in cultural emphasis and cultural result, is no longer the consensus or ethos of our society.

Do not take this lightly! It is a horrible thing for a man like myself to look back and see my country and my culture go down the drain in my own lifetime. It is a horrible thing that sixty years ago you could move across this country and almost everyone, even non-Christians, would have known what the gospel was. A horrible thing that fifty to sixty years ago our culture was built on the Christian consensus, and now this is no longer the case.

Once again I would refer to Romans 1:21, 22: "although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools." Verse 18 tells us of the result of turning away from and rebelling against the truth they know: "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness." Man is justly under the wrath of the God who really exists and who deals with men on the basis of his character; and if the justice of that wrath is obvious concerning any generation it is our own. Wrath may come either in the cause and effect of the turning wheels of history, or in the direct action of God.

There is only one perspective we can have of the post-Christian world of our generation: an understanding that our culture and our country deserve to be under the wrath of God. It will not do to say the United States is God's country in some special way. It will not do to cover up the difference between the consensus today and the Christian consensus that prevailed sixty years ago. The last few generations have trampled upon the truth of the Bible and all that those truths have brought forth....

-- from the thread "...Our culture and our country deserve to be under the wrath of God..."[Francis Schaeffer, 1983]

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Any strategy of resistance to tyranny will have to deal with the fact that tyranny is a curse of God. It must recognize that to rail against God's righteous judgments is merely to perpetuate and aggravate them. It must start with a humble submission to His will, a reverential fear of His judgments, and a full recognition of the righteousness of His moral government. Although we may marvel at the iniquities that men commit, at the fury of the "Commune" or the depravity of "Bolshevism," although the utter evil of God's instruments may astound us until with Habakkuk we are compelled to cry out to the Just and Holy God, "Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?" (Hab. 1:13); yet we must always remember that He styles Nebuchadnezzar his servant and terms Assyria the rod of His anger. It is still with Him that we have to do.

Ultimately, the only solution there can be to the problem of tyranny is to solve the problem of how we can turn God's curse into blessing; how we can transmute His anger into favor. The question becomes one of how can we appease His anger and stay His wrath.

What can shield a man, or a people, or a nation from the curse of God? Ever since the fall by the sin of one man, death and curse have been universal. All have sinned and come short, there is none that doeth good, no not one, and so by both original and actual sin all men and all societies bring judgment and wrath down upon themselves. One of the forms of this wrath is that God sends tyrants as He so clearly warned in I Samuel 8. Men need a covering, an atonement, to shield them from the wrath of God. They need a Daysman, a Mediator, to intercede on their behalf with an offended and omnipotent Deity. In short, men need the blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant. They need to be Justified before God. And the Biblical, the Protestant, the Reformed answer to this need is that men need to be justified by faith in Christ Jesus. But faith is inexorably linked in the divine economy with repentance and the latter is again just as inescapably linked with reformation. The same golden chain that links election to effectual calling, regeneration, justification, sanctification, and glorification also links faith with good works, and the new nature with the fruits of repentance. If we would have a covering from the wrath of God and from His curse including the curse of tyrannical government, the road leads inexorably to justification by faith, repentance, and reformation. And we come to the very same conclusion whether we examine the issue in its negative or in its positive aspects. Whether we are seeking to avoid God's righteous curse or whether we are seeking to bring down His blessing, including the blessings of peace, liberty, and just government, either way the answer is reformation. For if I Samuel 8 teaches that the fruit of apostasy is tyranny and unjust, coercive government, Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28:1-14 assert that God's blessing will attend a faithful, covenant keeping people. In the Abrahamic Covenant, the covenantal blessing that God will be a God and a Father to us and our seed after us is linked with the covenantal command to "walk before me and be thou perfect."

-- excerpt from the essay
"THE FUNDAMENTAL BIBLICAL TACTIC FOR RESISTING TYRANNY"
by Louis DeBoer


29 posted on 11/07/2012 7:58:46 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: BigFinn

I just finished studying this last week.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:04 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: schaef21

Deuteronomy 28 (New International Version)

Deuteronomy 28

Blessings for Obedience

1 If you fully obey the LORD your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come upon you and accompany you if you obey the LORD your God:

3 You will be blessed in the city and blessed in the country.

4 The fruit of your womb will be blessed, and the crops of your land and the young of your livestock—the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.

5 Your basket and your kneading trough will be blessed.

6 You will be blessed when you come in and blessed when you go out.

7 The LORD will grant that the enemies who rise up against you will be defeated before you. They will come at you from one direction but flee from you in seven.

8 The LORD will send a blessing on your barns and on everything you put your hand to. The LORD your God will bless you in the land he is giving you.

9 The LORD will establish you as his holy people, as he promised you on oath, if you keep the commands of the LORD your God and walk in his ways.

10 Then all the peoples on earth will see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they will fear you.

11 The LORD will grant you abundant prosperity—in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your ground—in the land he swore to your forefathers to give you.

12 The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none.

13 The LORD will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom.

14 Do not turn aside from any of the commands I give you today, to the right or to the left, following other gods and serving them.

Curses for Disobedience

15 However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.

17 Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.

18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.

19 You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.

20 The LORD will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him.

21 The LORD will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess.

22 The LORD will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish.

23 The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron.

24 The LORD will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.

25 The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth.

26 Your carcasses will be food for all the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and there will be no one to frighten them away.

27 The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured.

28 The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind.

29 At midday you will grope about like a blind man in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you.

30 You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and ravish her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit.

31 Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them.

32 Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand.

33 A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce, and you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days.

34 The sights you see will drive you mad.

35 The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.

36 The LORD will drive you and the king you set over you to a nation unknown to you or your fathers. There you will worship other gods, gods of wood and stone.

37 You will become a thing of horror and an object of scorn and ridicule to all the nations where the LORD will drive you.

38 You will sow much seed in the field but you will harvest little, because locusts will devour it.

39 You will plant vineyards and cultivate them but you will not drink the wine or gather the grapes, because worms will eat them.

40 You will have olive trees throughout your country but you will not use the oil, because the olives will drop off.

41 You will have sons and daughters but you will not keep them, because they will go into captivity.

42 Swarms of locusts will take over all your trees and the crops of your land.

43 The alien who lives among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower.

44 He will lend to you, but you will not lend to him. He will be the head, but you will be the tail.

45 All these curses will come upon you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the LORD your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you.

46 They will be a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants forever.

47 Because you did not serve the LORD your God joyfully and gladly in the time of prosperity,

48 therefore in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and dire poverty, you will serve the enemies the LORD sends against you. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you.

49 The LORD will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand,

50 a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young.

51 They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine or oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined.

52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the LORD your God is giving you.

53 Because of the suffering that your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.

54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children,

55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities.

56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you—so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot—will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter

57 the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For she intends to eat them secretly during the siege and in the distress that your enemy will inflict on you in your cities.

58 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name—the LORD your God-

59 the LORD will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses.

60 He will bring upon you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you.

61 The LORD will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law, until you are destroyed.

62 You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the LORD your God.

63 Just as it pleased the LORD to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.

64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.

65 Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the LORD will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart.

66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life.

67 In the morning you will say, “If only it were evening!” and in the evening, “If only it were morning!”-because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see.

68 The LORD will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 8:01:51 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: schaef21

AMEN to that!

God will not be “mocked”.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 8:03:42 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: halo66

Anyone that says that religion should be removed from political discourse...I say screw you!

Amen to that. Banishing God is exactly what got us here.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 8:03:58 AM PST by Josephat
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To: Catmom

Neal needs to sit down. The republicans peaked. We are now the minority. Communism has taken over.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 8:04:22 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: schaef21
We as a nation are under judgment by a Righteous and Holy God.

It has never been more plain to see.

35 posted on 11/07/2012 8:05:08 AM PST by this is my country
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To: schaef21
What happened yesterday is that Christians who objected to the idea of a Mormon moderate becoming president, stayed home.

I went out and voted for Romney. For the next four years, my response to anybody who objects to Obama will be "Did you vote for Romney? If not, then shut up, you got your preference".

36 posted on 11/07/2012 8:16:51 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Catmom

You and me both! I can’t stand Neal Boortz and I’ll be glad when he’s gone.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 8:18:46 AM PST by Sister_T
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To: Catmom
Kneel Bortz is a pompous sellout and a traitor to the entire history of our country.

I suspect he habitually lashes out at those who have not sold out religious TRUTH because they remove his cloak for sin.

Money cannot buy sex for very ugly men if the culture has the moral righteousness which had always kept his flagrant immorality in check.

38 posted on 11/07/2012 8:27:45 AM PST by OriginalIntent (undo all judicial activism and its results)
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To: Bitsy

God is good and does good. I just hold onto my faith in Him to provide for my family. Our nation is doomed, but we can trust in God’s promises and share the Gospel till He returns. We must.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 8:30:46 AM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: Thane_Banquo

So agreed. It’s not about politics! It’s about repentance!


40 posted on 11/07/2012 8:33:13 AM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: DarthVader

Dear God help us all.

That is a prophecy against the land of Israel.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 8:35:10 AM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Halls

I just hold onto my faith in Him to provide for my family. Amen


42 posted on 11/07/2012 8:35:30 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Seen that! We need to share the Gospel!!!


43 posted on 11/07/2012 8:36:18 AM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Good Point


44 posted on 11/07/2012 8:37:03 AM PST by PLD
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Good Point


45 posted on 11/07/2012 8:37:21 AM PST by PLD
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To: Josephat

I am right here with everyone on this thread.

Dr. John MacArthur, great Bible teacher and preacher (although I don’t subscribe to Calvinism), preached a very straight to the truth matter from Romans, stating not only is this going on socially, but that the Democratic platform officially rejected God from its platform, approves of abortion on demand, and approves of same sex agenda. They don’t just tolerate it, they exalt it as a virtue.

Everyone on here is making points based on Biblical principles. Folks like Neal Boortz, and Joe Scarborough and Mark McKinnon think that we need to modernize, become more progressive, and be more accepting of those things the Bible expressly is against.

If we would just do so, we would pick up votes. That is the real test for Republicans, are we going to become a fiscally secular conservative party, or are we going to try to hold on to Biblical principles and tie our platform to those principles?

For me, I would rather lose every election than to be unfaithful to God. God will judge this country at some point. At least half of our country has rejected God, shaken their fist in his face, exchanged the truth of God for a lie, told him he is irrelevant, if he even exists at all. I fear for our country. But the answer is as much or more spiritual than it is idealogical.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 8:42:11 AM PST by job
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To: throwback

January 22nd, 2013, marks the 40th Anniversary of the historic Roe v. Wade.

That’s 2 days after Obama’s 2d term begins.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 8:42:55 AM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: schaef21
I disagree that it happened last night. It happened years ago. In, I think it was 2006, on Thanksgiving Day, Dr. MacArthur preached a sermon on Samson: that he last lost God's blessing but not was aware of it.

What happened last night is because many unsaved Americans have been cursed by the foolish heart and reprobate mind described in Romans 1. The person with those qualities does not have a truth filter--cannot understand the revealed will of God.

There is no other explanation.

The solution is not more politics, more education, or a pledge to do better, get out the vote more.

The only solution is a repentant nation.
48 posted on 11/07/2012 8:45:01 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine .)
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To: Catmom
Boortz is a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

I asked for God's will to be done and accept that it was. God is still in control.

49 posted on 11/07/2012 8:45:17 AM PST by Aquamarine ( We all live in Benghazi now. ~ bray)
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To: schaef21

**We as a nation are under judgment by a Righteous and Holy God.**

Dontcha know that the really smart people have ‘proven scientifically’ that God doesn’t exist?

Those ‘wise ones’ have an answer for every hurricane, flood, drought, earthquake, tsunami, etc. They certainly aren’t going to see any of those things in a ‘God factor’ measurement. Only when it gets really bad will they acknowledge God as they curse him for the chaos He will unleash on the world for it’s ungodly behavior.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 8:45:44 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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