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Starve the Machine
vanity | 12/7/2012 | Damifino

Posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:13 AM PST by Damifino

Embrace the machine, starve the system, position traditional conservatism and liberty

The Nov. 6 big win (let's not kid ourselves about this) for the progressive agenda reveals some changes in America that we, as conservatives, cannot ignore. It is apparent that the American ideal has changed over the last 60 or so years such that a traditional conservative viewpoint is no longer relative. Traditional Americans have few options to steer the ship or promote the Founder's vision. We frankly lost because there are too many who get a slice of government cheese and don't want to (or can't) risk losing it.

Embrace the machine, starve the system, position traditional conservatism as the only rationl solution.

Entitlement growth including EBT, food-stamps, housing and education assistance, single parenthood, rejection of traditional marriage has a clear end-game. The result is an automatic vote from this wedge of the electorate. All of us, regardless of need, should leverage any benefit that we technically or legally qualify. The rules for many entitlements with regard to ID and proof of need have been relaxed. Use the new rules to advantage. There are "free" legal services available to "help" ensure you qualify (answer the questions right), use them. If denied, use the free services to appeal.

When the healthcare law kicks in - use your new weapon of free medical services. Have every ache and malady investigated, get a second opinion. Demand the most up-to-date therapy. It is your right. Appeal every denial of service.

Stop giving to private charity (this is a tough one). Limit who you help to individuals in your personal circle. It is now the State's responsibility to clothe the poor and feed the hungry. Force the state to accept this role in its entirety.

Support the expansion of the entitled. Campaign to reduce requirements on benefits. Expand the pool.

Support the regulatory push that hobbles our extraction and harvest of resources (gas, oil, coal, forestry). New wealth pumped into the progressive machine will only help sustain it. Reduce the creation of new wealth into the system.

Promote the anthropolgical global warming hoax. Regulations and initiatives in the name of global warming reduce new wealth. Embrace it.

Establish economic relationships outside of the system. Establish commodities as a means of trade. Gold for the big stuff, junk silver coins for everyday, goods and services where you can. Challenge yourself to use less currency each month but still enjoy the comforts.

Use your personal resources wisely. The crash is coming, with some very black years ahead. Those who are prepared and can excel in the darkest days will be the ones society looks to for advice and leadership. Prepare yourself and your children to lead.

Resist the temptation to believe the machine can be fixed, it can't.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:15 AM PST by Damifino
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To: Damifino

Been using the same words myself this morning. Going Galt never had more relevance than today, and last night was truly the tipping point.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 5:21:06 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Damifino

Excellent advice. The middle class is rapidly becoming disadvantaged, so millions ought to be signing up for these government programs. The illegal aliens are getting freebies, so certainly taxpayers are entitled to receive them.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:03 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: catfish1957
Go Galt is exactly the phrase I woke up with too.
4 posted on 11/07/2012 5:28:53 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: catfish1957

This is hardly going Galt, which would be to withdraw from the federal entitlement system that is emerging. It is almost identical to the Cloward-Piven strategy.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 5:30:01 AM PST by omni-scientist
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To: catfish1957
On the way to work this morning I was listening to the regular talk. The party experts' conclusion after their analysis is that the party needs to move left to win. They are right. Our vision, as of today, is not relevant in today's political dialog.

There is no new place to settle. Our only hope is to rise from the rubble of the collapse.

6 posted on 11/07/2012 5:32:39 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Damifino

I keep hearing that the GOP needs to reach out to minorities. What the hell does that mean? I want the same thing for minorites as I do for anyone else...Freedom and liberty. I for one think treating minorities as adults instead of as some sort of permanent victim class is classy. Some how this gets turned around into being anti-minority. It’s maddening. I wish minorites would stop seeing themselves as some sort of permanent victim class and join us. The dems have done nothing for them in 60 years.

Now the Hispanics don’t like the conservative model either. Why? Because we simply want an enforcible immigration policy. What the hell is so controversial about that? I expect Mexico wants an enforcible immigration policy as well.

The politics of our day is maddening.

The Nanny state can not continue and it’s not the GOP saying this. It’s the math saying this. Here’s my appeal to blacks, hispanics, asians and everyone else who doesn’t think the GOP has reached out to you: Buy a calculator and check out the federal deficit. We’re in big trouble and we need your help to stop the bleeding.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 5:32:57 AM PST by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Damifino

This is a good post for a vanity. I only disagree with the gold and silver part -they will not help when this thing collapses. Matches, food, water, alcohol, and ammo are the commodities to stockpile for currency replacement.

Matches can be like change. The rest are like various denominations of bills.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 5:33:44 AM PST by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Damifino

Get prepared, help it crash.

The best revenge is to live well and not be dependent when those that are dependent have nothing to be dependent on.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 5:36:17 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Damifino

Instead of going Galt, I believe we will do what people always do in the situation that now presents itself. We are headed to a command economy that will impoverish all of us...if we play by it’s rules.

Instead, we will do what the people of the old USSR did; we are going to live “na levo.” The rough translation is “on the side.” We will create our own underground economy, where barter rules, and theft from the government fuels it. You want to make sure you always jump the line to see the doctor? Build him a deck on his house. Need the lumber for the house? Give the guy at the lumber yard a couple bottles of whiskey. Make sure you take care of the cop who lives down the street so that he never reports you. Don’t get greedy, just do what you have to do to get by.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 5:36:47 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: Damifino

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11 posted on 11/07/2012 5:37:06 AM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Damifino

Do NOT become part of the system you hate by signing up for handouts.

The problem will take care of itself.

Remember that the liberal mindset sees wealth as a finite quantity that must be distributed evenly.

To that end, one key part of the hidden agenda which nobody likes to talk about is population control. Our clearest evidence of that is Planned Parenthood. However, other means besides birth prevention will clearly be necessary as this liberal system of government implodes upon itself.

I said some time ago that a LOT of people will have to die before this country truly wakes up to reality. There is nothing we as conservatives need to do to speed up that process. Our judgment is at hand.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 5:38:44 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: omni-scientist
It is almost identical to the Cloward-Piven strategy

It is Cloward-Piven, on steroids - except with no expectation that it is viable.

13 posted on 11/07/2012 5:39:53 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: omni-scientist
It is almost identical to the Cloward-Piven strategy

It is Cloward-Piven, on steroids - except with no expectation that it is viable.

14 posted on 11/07/2012 5:40:01 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Damifino

Succession looks pretty good to me....


15 posted on 11/07/2012 5:40:01 AM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: 4everontheRight

Secession would work better.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 5:40:29 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Damifino

Start complaining to every branch of government about everything. Demand insight in government documents in accordance with the Freedom of InformationAct even if those docs do not affect you one way or the other. If you have a hostile congress critter, send him or her mails on a daily basis and demand action on his or her part on everything you can think of. Turn in government workers who are doing a lousy job or don’t do their job at all. Bitch, moan and complain to your liberal friends if you still have any. Apply for foodstamps, disability etc even if you know you will be turned down. Keep them busy chasing their tails.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:03 AM PST by bergmeid
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To: Damifino
position traditional conservatism as the only rational solution

Been thinking just the same, but the drumbeat of conservatism as solution is key. Use Cloward-Piven to drive people toward founding principles, while setting your personal life up to live Galt. I wonder if it can be done.

Certainly, too many people are apparently enjoying too good a life on backs of others. They will not change until life actually becomes quite uncomfortable. So, life in the freebee line must become uncomfortable.

18 posted on 11/07/2012 5:43:43 AM PST by JustSurrounded
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To: Safrguns
Do NOT become part of the system....The problem will take care of itself.

I believe you are right except I want to be alive when it happens and I want to die know there is a future of liberty for my son and future grandchildren.

It is our generation that, for the most part, that is to blame. We would be remiss to leave it for another generation to fix on our behalf.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 5:47:36 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: omni-scientist
"Galt" mode will come in many forms and fashions. My read is generally those who contribute (us) remove our resources and abilities from those who consume (Obama slugs).

Pretty soon the entitlement monster will starve and die. The end result will not be pleasant, but a necessary evil to save the country our forefathers created.

20 posted on 11/07/2012 5:49:25 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Damifino

springtime means a 50cc scooter. no cycle tabs needed in MN, cheap on gas means less money to the gas tax and less $ for choo choo trains.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 5:49:57 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Damifino

springtime means a 50cc scooter. no cycle tabs needed in MN, cheap on gas means less money to the gas tax and less $ for choo choo trains.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 5:49:58 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Damifino

Great post, you took the words right out my mouth.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 5:50:26 AM PST by woodenickel
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To: Codeflier
I only disagree with the gold and silver part....Matches, food, water, alcohol, and ammo are the commodities to stockpile for currency replacement.

You might be right about this. I suppose there is no reason it couldn't be both.

24 posted on 11/07/2012 5:51:33 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Damifino

You got that right. When the entitlment slugs realize that the tap has gone dry, they are going to be looking for us.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 5:54:25 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: A_perfect_lady

My sister and I both own small businesses. We discussed this and plan to close them when our leases/franchise agreements run out, putting several people out of work and ending services to many women in need. It will create waves in our communities, but as Dabney Taggert stated in the most recent “Atlas Shrugged” installment: “We’re not in business to run a charity...shut it down!”.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 5:55:28 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: Mustangman
I keep hearing that the GOP needs to reach out to minorities. What the hell does that mean?

Reach out to them with a free iPhone (rather than a cheap Obamaphone) and an American Express card (instead of an EBT card).

27 posted on 11/07/2012 5:55:39 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: henkster

“we will do what the people of the old USSR did; we are going to live “na levo.” The rough translation is “on the side.” We will create our own underground economy, where barter rules, and theft from the government fuels it.”

That is a great tip. My wife’s family is from the ex-USSR. I am going to get on the horn today and get some info from her father. One thing he did in the USSR was run childrens clothes from Moscow to Lithuania as a little black market side business.

We are all going to need off the books side gigs now. Time to start them up.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 5:57:15 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

Make sure that those who are disappointed that you’re no longer providing services understand that the country’s vote for socialism means just that - they need to go to the gov’t now for their needs.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 6:00:02 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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30 posted on 11/07/2012 6:00:43 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: A_perfect_lady; catfish1957

“Go Galt is exactly the phrase I woke up with too.”

I swear to you that those were the first words out of my mouth to Mrs. panax this morning.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 6:01:04 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: Fresh Wind

Or, help crash the system so that they HAVE to support themselves like the rest of us do.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 6:01:18 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Damifino

>>> I believe you are right except I want to be alive when it happens and I want to die know there is a future of liberty for my son and future grandchildren.

The only liberty in anyone’s future is for those who will escape the coming tribulation as a born again believer in Jesus Christ.

Point being... we are THAT close to the events foretold in the book of Revelations.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 6:01:58 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: lodi90

That is exactly what independent entrepeneurial types will do.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 6:02:17 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: catfish1957

Crap, I meant entitlement slugs. I am so pissed, I can’t even spell our enemy.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 6:02:20 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Safrguns

Back in the early 70’s, I was newly-married, in college, and getting by on a meager part-time income. I applied for and received food stamps, even though we could have manged without them. My rationale was, if the government is stupid enough to hand them out to someone who would not otherwise starve, I should be smart enough to take advantage of them.

After about six months I could not continue living with that decision, when I realized that it wasn’t the government that provided food stamps, but hard-working men and women; taxpayers in other words. So I un-enrolled. To this day that remains the only government hand-out I’ve ever received, and not one I am proud of.

So before you reverse course and put your values aside for the sake of a political end, think long and hard about it. Just be sure you are willing to engage in that kind of non-violent warfare, because that’s what it is.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 6:03:16 AM PST by omni-scientist
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To: henkster

This is what has needed to happen all along.

I wanted to throw up over that stuff about “moving left”. Then why bother with a “separate” party at all?
The fact is that we didn’t fight them hard enough. We let the left go too far, and now we are going to play hell pushing things back to the point of anything remotely moderate, decent, & sensible.

America voted for White genocide last night. Literally. White genocide & Christian genocide. Haiti, Jamaica, the Reconstruction, & South Africa.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 6:03:38 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: Damifino

Ping


38 posted on 11/07/2012 6:04:35 AM PST by Malios
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To: lodi90
My wife’s family is from the ex-USSR. I am going to get on the horn today and get some info from her father.

I'd be interested in what they have to say. I'm sure there is some advice available that would be useful.

39 posted on 11/07/2012 6:04:49 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: MrB
Or, help crash the system so that they HAVE to support themselves like the rest of us do.

When both parties compete with each other to see which one can buy the most votes with Federal Reserve funny money, that will crash the system PDQ.

40 posted on 11/07/2012 6:08:37 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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>>> After about six months I could not continue living with that decision, when I realized that it wasn’t the government that provided food stamps, but hard-working men and women; taxpayers in other words.

If the government was running a balanced budget, that would be true... but as our debt deepens, the money is actually coming from those who continue to loan the government money. And, when the credit runs dry, and the dollar crashes, every American regardless of what they drew from government will be indebted to the nation or nations which invade our borders to collect on our debt.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 6:12:40 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: omni-scientist
So before you reverse course and put your values aside for the sake of a political end, think long and hard about it. Just be sure you are willing to engage in that kind of non-violent warfare, because that’s what it is.

You are correct; although I see this as a confirmation of my values rather than forsaking them.

Please watch RR's "A Time for Choosing". Each one us has to decide if we are committed to the shining beacon upon the hill.

42 posted on 11/07/2012 6:15:40 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Damifino

Patriot groups need to transition to prepper, barter, self defense groups. We need to concentrate our forces to be more effective essentially creating independent social and economic micro- societies.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 6:25:25 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Codeflier
I only disagree with the gold and silver part -they will not help when this thing collapses<<

IMHO I think EVERONE should view PM’s as an insurance policy....you don't have to invest your life savings in it...its just a hedge against inflation or an economic collapse....(which seems an inevitable result to most here) Had you bought your "insurance policy" just 4 short yrs ago, it would be the best investment you could have made

From a historical perspective..the charts don't lie!
http://www.kitco.com/scripts/hist_charts/yearly_graphs.plx

I agree the other commodities are good but a silver dollar in your pocket will never hurt you in times of trouble...

44 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:49 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: Damifino
This guy figured it all out about 500 years ago. Will we finally heed his advice?

"Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces." - Étienne de La Boétie

I strongly suggest everyone here find this essay and read it.

I can tell you that truly "Going Galt" is very difficult. To make a long story short, I've been working on this for a few years. It's frustrating, lonely and often frightening. But worth it? Absolutely. No price is too high for the opportunity of ultimately being able to OWN MYSELF. Sorry, but there's no political solution to this. Voting is an excercise in futility. This should be obvious today.

45 posted on 11/07/2012 6:31:01 AM PST by pocat (In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant)
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To: henkster
Well, think about the 1000's of bureaucrats who will be policing your ecomonic activities, and when does it get to the point of being expedient to turn in your neighbor to save yourself?

Think you are going to be able to keep those tomato plants when the drones have spotted them?

46 posted on 11/07/2012 6:50:13 AM PST by elk
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To: Damifino

I’m basically following this plan now. I’ve converted almost all my wealth into Roth IRA accounts, no taxes due ever again. Paid the taxes now, when rates will never be lower. The 2010 law that removed the income restrictions on Roth conversions (limits are still in place on contributions, but conversions are uncorked) is one of the greatest laws ever passed. So desperate for tax revenue today, the government is willing to rob from future tax revenues to get the money today. Combined with historically low current tax rates and you’ve got the perfect explotation opportunity to front-pay taxes now, rather than at the usurious rates that are sure to come in the future.

Upon retirement, even if you have six or seven figures in Roth accounts, your income will show up as zero on your 1040 tax form. With an income of zero, you qualify for all sorts of mooch money from do-gooder liberals. Remember, many government assistance benefits are calculated off your adjusted gross income from your 1040, not from your actual net worth. I have friends of mine now who are millionaires but get government assistance, because they have zero “income”, due to Roth sheltering. I think this past spring, there was a news story on some person in San Diego who had a beautiful beach house, but was getting food stamps or something similar. That is a perfect example of this strategy.

Why is this possible? Well, simple laziness on the government’s part. They don’t want to try and calculate your net worth. Since 95 percent of the workers in this country get a paycheck, or if retired, use traditional (taxable) IRAs and non-Roth 401k’s, the government can get a quick and easy snapshot of income just by referencing AGI from your 1040 tax form.

How about an example? What about a farmer’s widow, who has 800 acres of prime farm land (say, worth a million dollars), but who has little cash income, since farmers struggle to save for retirement and her husband left her very little money when he died? No good liberal will make her sell the family farm to pay her heating oil bill. They’ll verify she has no AGI and then cut her a check. If she has $800,000 in a Roth, they’ll be none the wiser.

Your mileage may vary, depending on your state, but check this out for yourself. My state (PA) has some give-away programs that have caught on and have started asking for AGI and also Roth withdrawal amounts for the most recent year, but many of them are still AGI-based. Get on the web and look up every program you can find for your state (e.g. assistance for home heating, prescription drugs, property tax relief, electric bill, etc.) and see what is available, to assess the viability of an “AGI=$0” strategy in your state.

Think of it as the 21st century equivalent of the 1960’s “Burn, baby, burn”.......


47 posted on 11/07/2012 7:00:15 AM PST by Panzerfaust
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To: elk

Your neighbor will be doing the same...he won’t want to be caught, either. And if you bribe the right people, who cares what your neighbor thinks?

That’s going to be the new reality because it’s human nature.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 7:04:11 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: elk

PS: the drones may spot the tomato plants, but when the bureaucrat comes to your door, he’s probably more interested in having some of your tomatoes than he is in turning you over to the prosecutor.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 7:06:30 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: elk
Think you are going to be able to keep those tomato plants when the drones have spotted them?

This is exactly the battle - we have to find a way.

50 posted on 11/07/2012 7:15:26 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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