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Posted on 11/06/2012 9:35:19 PM PST by quicksilver123

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To: Utmost Certainty

“I admire and appreciate what better generations of Americans did to build this nation, but what’s the point of sticking around on a sinking ship going nowhere?”

I was born in late 1940 ( my parents first child). When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, my dad went down, enlisted in the Navy and was sent to Australia for four years! And he was lucky that he survived the war, but he did it, because our country was threatened. Well, my friend, it’s threatened every bit as much today, and you just want to fold your tent and leave when it’s one of the country’s darkest hours since that war. Everyone is now selfish. Your generation doesn’t ask what it can do for your country, you just want to be “free” to live your lives unfettered by the reality of the situation. Maybe you should emigrate to New Zealand or Australia. Those places are probably the “safest” and you might just be able to live out your days there because the tide has to go the farthest to reach you. You could become a shepherd. Raise sheep. That will give you lots of free time.


81 posted on 11/07/2012 8:25:48 AM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387; Utmost Certainty
>>“I don’t want to waste my life waiting for the day when the US returns to its sense—if that day ever comes. I have no obligation to this place. As far as I’m concerned, America left me.
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>>Thing is, I’m a 28 year old male with no dependents and little opportunity in this country, and I need somewhere I can actually thrive, be inspired, and do some interesting things with my life beyond the kind of basic survival I’ve been reduced to for the past few years.”
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I am 72. I have a daughter who is 28. Unlike her, you are an ungrateful twit. Godspeed in leaving this country. My parents generation sacraficed so a jerk like you can cry about his “sorry lot” in life. Go contemplate your navel on some desert island. We won’t miss you in the least.

Hold on, before you start blasting away at "Utmost Certainty" let me see if I might rephrase what he's saying, and see if that makes it a bit more acceptable/understandable. ("Utmost Certainty", please tell me if I'm getting it wrong.)

First off let's start with the general societal attitude toward males: men are either bumbling idiots or utterly useless and irresponsible. (Look at how men are portrayed in TV commercials, where if there's a woman or kid they'll be more technically savvy.) -- This attitude extends outward into the "male attributes" like logic, manifesting in fields like law by being utterly dismissed. Example:

In New Mexico the State Constitution says (Art II, Sec 6) "no law shall abridge right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense", yet there are several statutes that do so. In particular, NMSA 30-7-2.4 prohibits carrying weapons onto university or in its buildings, completely contrary to the constitution. Whenever I brought it up to an official it was always either dismissed out of hand ("hey, we ban guns from courthouses too.") or, more often, I was refereed to another official/person: AG -> State Rep -> State Rep -> AG or [state] Supreme Court -> Supreme court -> state bar -> state bar -> lawyer.

[I later found out the only way to challenge a statute in court is to violate the statute (implicitly acknowledging its legitimacy) and arguing from a position of weakness as the accused.]

This general attitude of "you can't rock the boat, you don't matter enough to change anything; now sit back down, shut up, and do as you're told" can also be seen in the GOP leadership WRT its constituents: they run on their planks, but don't ever [aggressively] pursue them and ostracize those who do want/try to pursue those goals [look at how the party left the TEA party candidates out in the cold]. Look at how they pushed Romney, even before the primaries, a sort of "screw you" to anyone with conservative principles.

So, we're not welcome nor appreciated on many, many levels. It is certainly true, in my experience, that everyone wants to be needed, but everyone needs to be wanted. ~ Young men are being denied a need (being wanted) because of who they are: men. This is amplified by a system which is so dismissive of male attributes.

82 posted on 11/07/2012 1:11:37 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Yeah, I think what you’re saying is a big part of it—that being male in a society like this one puts you at a significant competitive disadvantage in life; especially the more assertive go-getter individualist types, that used to be more valued in American culture IMO.

Seems nowadays one is increasingly implicitly expected to be tractable, compliant, and agreeable in groups in order to ‘get ahead’ as it were. But I’ve just never been a very go along-get along kinda guy—I think what I think, I have my opinions, I’ll state them directly when I deem necessary or if asked; if someones dislikes or disagrees with it, that’s their problem. I’m not going to be offended, nor feel need to apologize or conciliate. Especially since I’m generally not acting out of motive to be disrespectful or confrontational with others—quite the opposite, in mind I consider it respectful to be direct and honest so people know where you stand, and I expect the same from others. Should conflict arise, I see this as a constructive process.

Yet it seems I’m viewed as a bizarre anomaly—particularly by my own generational peers—for thinking and behaving this way, and there’s alarmed suspicion that I’m disrupting some sacred social harmony everyone’s tacitly assumed must be preserved. Because openly disagreeing with someone might hurt their feeeelings, so there mustn’t be conflict, oh no.

I’m guessing it’s a byproduct of the artificial self-esteem inflation garbage I observed signs of growing up in school. Which I think instilled many to value inclusiveness over competency, as well as shaping a prevailing outlook of inane relativism that there are no right or wrong opinions per se, merely different ones…

Anyway, hope that makes sense. Just distilling some reflections that’d been on my mind the past few days.


83 posted on 11/07/2012 2:44:34 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Secret Agent Man

‘’Personally I am looking up every day.’’

So am I, but I understand that election of Obama of american citizens by “we the people” is the result of God allowing free will of people to sin by the the majority of a government “we the people” to elect intrinsic evil

I look forward to the final victory that will end a society of “we the people” who has turned into the majority of immorality


84 posted on 11/07/2012 8:27:07 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

Thing is it wasn’t a majority of the country. 53 million ain’t nowhere near a majority of the country, not even a majority of the voting eligible population.


85 posted on 11/07/2012 8:39:45 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

The guy sitting in the white house was voted in and can now continue his immoral agenda because of the majority, and we are now the minority regardless of how small the numbers are

The younger generation will continue to accept these immoralities as freedom, when in reality they are not in line with truth that sets us free


86 posted on 11/08/2012 4:07:40 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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