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Grid-Down Collapse: Hard Assets Soar In Value
SHTF Plan ^ | 11-6-2012 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 11/06/2012 11:40:32 AM PST by blam

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To: bicyclerepair; Kartographer
Here in S FL, I go to great lengths to make sure I have shutters for every opening. And not seeing one shutter, in NJ, just tells me they didn’t do anything to prepare.

We live in NYS and many houses don't have shutters, and on the ones that do, they are simply decorative. Long and short of it, we simply don't NEED shutters.

There's a problem when people start judging others for not doing something they don't need to do just because the person doing the judging needs to do it.

It's legalism at it's finest.

Your judgment is wrong and unjustified. You don't have any idea who prepared and how and cannot make that determination because someone didn't do what YOU thought they should have.

Get over yourself.

41 posted on 11/06/2012 12:49:41 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MrB; Kartographer

I think there’s still plenty that would take a class - I personally had no clue until a few years ago. Thanks to helpful folks like you and Kartographer and some other FRiends, now we’re good to go for about 8 months, not including barter foods/items. But you know, like that tv show, I’d definitely pay a few dollars for an expert to give us an onsite assessment of how good we’re doing, so I see a strong market in that type of individalized service.


42 posted on 11/06/2012 12:49:55 PM PST by blueplum
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To: bicyclerepair
...What really ticks me off is, with all this news coverage and footage, NOT ONE window shutter did I see!...

That's the first thing I noticed when I saw all the photos. At least a lot of the homes looked to be built on stilts, albeit some were enclosed.

43 posted on 11/06/2012 12:50:27 PM PST by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: bicyclerepair; Kartographer
Here in S FL, I go to great lengths to make sure I have shutters for every opening. And not seeing one shutter, in NJ, just tells me they didn’t do anything to prepare.

And next time there's a freeze, should we condemn all the Floridians for losing their fruit crop because they didn't prepare by having cold hardy plants growing instead of citrus?

44 posted on 11/06/2012 12:51:01 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: blueplum; MrB; ChocChipCookie

Hey maybe we should go into business! ;-)


45 posted on 11/06/2012 12:56:02 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Yeah, right...

Let me relate a friend’s experience with attempting to register voters at a gun show.
Either the people were already registered, or they were too paranoid about getting their name on a list.

You think your standard prepper would hire some “preparedness assessment” business to come out and take an inventory of his stuff?

No way. Too much chance of it being a gov’t front group that wants to know where the stuff is in order to confiscate it.


46 posted on 11/06/2012 12:59:37 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

How do you expect me to find resupply sources? ;-)

We are so tied into the ‘grid’ there’s not much the government doesn’t know or that they can’t find out. If George only knew how much he was right.


47 posted on 11/06/2012 1:17:10 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: carriage_hill

You’re crazy. LOL

I wish I had a basement so I could store everything.

Right now I have plenty here in the house but, I also have three different storage lockers with art, furniture and back up supplies.

There are geographically diverse and I should be able to get any of them at some point.


48 posted on 11/06/2012 1:17:32 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Jaxter
Does anybody know if lead foil will protect electronic devices from EMP?

Lead foil is good for gamma and beta radiation. EMP is an "Electromagnetic Pulse", much like when a close lightning strike destroys everything electronic. A steel box is best for EMP protection. It can drain static electric charges and protect the contents from magnetism.

Ammo boxes would offer better protection than nothing, but a gun safe would keep a radio device safe.

49 posted on 11/06/2012 1:19:25 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Vendome
It was driving me nuts; I couldn't find anything in all those bags, boxes and piles. I HAD to get it organized.

These shelves which I bought online, were the best investment I've made recently, next to my firearms/ammo stockpile.

50 posted on 11/06/2012 1:24:26 PM PST by Carriage Hill ("0bummer's a towering figure" - even a Garden Gnome casts a long shadow at sunset.)
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To: blueplum
Even a poor person should be able to put together a 72hour kit much less a 7 day kit without much cost.

How many brain cells does it take to fill all your pots and pans, etc. with tap water? I used to work with poor people and I never saw any of them without food in the pantry. Ok, one didn't have food but she was able to call in uh, "favors" so that when I checked in later that day she had enough in the pantry to last a good while and the windows, doors and porch were also repaired. Not that I condone such activities but where there's a will, there's a way. The majority of those we've seen on tv don't have the will.

I'm surprised some bozo hasn't called the police to complain there's price gouging on crack.

51 posted on 11/06/2012 1:30:47 PM PST by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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To: Jaxter

Lead is for stopping what’s called ionizing radiation — Geiger counter stuff — like Alpha, beta, gamma/Xrays, not EMP, although it is a pretty good conductor, and you COULD fashion a proper Faraday cage to guard against EMP. But don’t. Use steel or aluminum.

EMP = electro-magnetic pulse = damage to electronics from induced current.

A poor man’s method to shield electronics is fairly simple and cheap.

(1) a metal box with a ‘lid’ that seals pretty well. An ammmo can is just about optimum. You want it sealed so the energy of the pulse cannot get through a gap bigger than the wavelength of the pulse.

(2) wrap the electronics to be protected in an insulating material to generate a space gap and an insulating shield from the box itself. DRY paper, multiple layers will work pretty well, and finish with bubble wrap on the outside of the paper. Add some silica gel or other dessicant to the can.

(3) Place the can on a grounded surface — like the garage or basement concrete floor. (3.1) for overkill - drive a copper rod into the ground and ground the can(s) of protected devices. (3.2) the idea is to keep the pulse and any induced current away from your stuff, and to provide an easy path to ground/earth for said current and pulse.

No need to build Faraday cages. Just ammo cans, paper and bubble wrap.
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52 posted on 11/06/2012 1:51:59 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: carriage_hill

Hmm, tankless water heater and 92% efficient furnace?


53 posted on 11/06/2012 2:00:37 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Blueflag

So, basically the current travels through through the box to ground and not through what you’re trying to protect? Ok, then would it be a good idea to also line the inside of the box with a non-conducting material like rubber?


54 posted on 11/06/2012 2:03:57 PM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: Southack
"No one is trading their gasoline for gold in NYC."

Play nice.

55 posted on 11/06/2012 2:08:42 PM PST by blam
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To: Jaxter

Sure, but why work that hard? Instead of trying to make a form-fitting rubber (or other di-electric) liner, just wrap the items you want to protect.

Let’s say it’s a handcrank radio/flashlight. Wrap it loosely in brown Kraft paper, tape it loosely with ‘scotch tape’, then wrap it again in some bubble wrap, then place it in the ammo can with other devices similarly separately wrapped, SEAL the lid well from a gap standpoint, and you are good to go!

Indeed the idea is to have real current flow through the can to the ground, and static electricity to stay on the outside of the can and flow to ground.


56 posted on 11/06/2012 2:16:36 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Sawdring

The Ruud and Amana were replacements after 22yr OEM units; a little costly but ROI is within sight now. I installed a tankless unit (saw it on ‘This Old House’ TV show) in my Family Farm Business Office 22yrs ago, and it still works. I’d never get a WH tank installed ever again.


57 posted on 11/06/2012 2:21:08 PM PST by Carriage Hill ("0bummer's a towering figure" - even a Garden Gnome casts a long shadow at sunset.)
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To: bicyclerepair
I go to great lengths to make sure I have shutters for every opening.

What kind of shutters are you talking about and what openings?

58 posted on 11/06/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Blueflag

Thanks for the info!


59 posted on 11/06/2012 2:52:17 PM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: carriage_hill

Nice stash. Needs Fruit Loops ;)


60 posted on 11/06/2012 2:57:51 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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