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EPA Planning Scorched Earth Assault on Coal
The Examiner ^ | Conn Carroll

Posted on 11/05/2012 6:00:29 AM PST by varmintman

President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency has devoted an unprecedented number of bureaucrats to finalizing new anti-coal regulations that are set to be released at the end of November, according to a source inside the EPA.

More than 50 EPA staff are now crashing to finish greenhouse gas emission standards that would essentially ban all construction of new coal-fired power plants. Never before have so many EPA resources been devoted to a single regulation. The independent and non-partisan Manhattan Institute estimates that the EPA’s greenhouse gas coal regulation will cost the U.S. economy $700 billion.

The rush is a major sign of panic by environmentalists inside the Obama administration. If Obama wins, the EPA would have another four full years to implement their anti-fossil fuel agenda. But if Romney wins, regulators will have a very narrow window to enact a select few costly regulations that would then be very hard for a President Romney to undo.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; anticoal; bhofascism; coal; corruption; democrats; energy; energyprices; envirofascism; epa; epaoutofcontrol; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; obama; thegreenlie
Assuming Romney wins, there needs to be some sort of a credible threat out there involving prison time for these Gaea-worshiping lunatics for such activities.
1 posted on 11/05/2012 6:00:33 AM PST by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Watch, after a Romney victory, any talk about reining in the EPA will be met with leftist/MSM screeches of

“stripping environmental protection”
and “promoting pollution”.


2 posted on 11/05/2012 6:03:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: varmintman

The EPA needs to be turned into nothing but a display case filled with examples of economic destruction at the Smithsonian.


3 posted on 11/05/2012 6:06:23 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: varmintman

Romney should address this in his Tuesday night speech, saying his Executive Branch will refuse to enforce any of these new regulations. In his inauguration speech he should grant continuing pardons to those that violate these new regulations. He should tell the courts, to paraphrase Jackson, go try and enforce your order, the executive branch including the department of justice will neither enforce or prosecute.


4 posted on 11/05/2012 6:07:12 AM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: MrB

I don’t have a lot of faith in the GOP.

My congressman has had a bill sitting dead in the house since February of 2011 that would strip the EPA of regulatory power (that they’ve never officially had). Over 100 co sponsors and they can’t even get it to committee.

H.R.750 - Defending America’s Affordable Energy and Jobs Act

To preempt regulation of, action relating to, or consideration of greenhouse gases under Federal and common law on enactment of a Federal policy to mitigate climate change.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h750/show


5 posted on 11/05/2012 6:08:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: varmintman

Just curious if anyone knows what’s the procedure to abolish a federal agency like the EPA. Has it ever been attempted before?

I suspect the President could do a lot - such as refusing to appoint key members, refusing to spend the money Congress allocates, etc., but all that could be reversed by the next administration. I assume it would take action by Congress to completely eliminate an agency permanently.


6 posted on 11/05/2012 6:11:29 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: MrB

Liberals aren’t capable of using words that big. They just say we want “dirty air and water”.


7 posted on 11/05/2012 6:13:20 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer
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To: varmintman
EPA’s 'philosophy of enforcement,' said EPA’s Region VI Administrator Al Armendariz, is 'kind of like how the Romans used to conquer little villages in the Mediterranean: they’d go into little Turkish towns somewhere, they’d find the first five guys they’d run into, and they’d crucify them.'"
8 posted on 11/05/2012 6:17:11 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: varmintman

Tell all your liberal friends that skyrocketing electric rates are necessarily part of Obama’s plans.


9 posted on 11/05/2012 6:18:21 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: chrisser

“what’s the procedure to abolish a federal agency like the EPA.”

The sweetest thing would be to kill them with budget cuts. Follow that with legislation that requires Congressional approval of all regulations, and then strip them of the power to levy fines.


10 posted on 11/05/2012 6:19:25 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: varmintman

And yet, there will be those in coal states, that work in that industry, that will vote Obama.

Ya just can’t make this stuff up.


11 posted on 11/05/2012 6:20:50 AM PST by Puckster ( "Neanderthals Rule")
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To: chrisser

Just severely defund it .... along with planned parenthood .... as Newt suggested ....


12 posted on 11/05/2012 6:21:11 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: varmintman
The 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, psycho spoiled brats were celebrated in the establishment MSM as the most intelligent generation ever!. They are now arguably that very establishment that praised them and they hold themselves and their ideological issue in even higher regard.

They hijacked the now defunct Democratic Party in the 1970s. They are the EPA mentors.


13 posted on 11/05/2012 6:22:54 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: chrisser

If we had representatives with balls, it would be fairly trivial. Congress can simply refuse to allocate taxpayer dollars for a given organization.

Since this is never discussed much less implemented it’s clear that both parties aren’t serious about these kinds of things.

America is the “Saudi Arabia” of coal, with enough to last for hundreds of years. It’s relatively cheap, and dependable, and not required to send our money to overseas interests. It provides jobs to Americans - good paying jobs - and also to folks who might not have doctorates in navel gazing.

The problem we have faced as a people is the myriad organizations that have sprung up in recent decades both governmental and otherwise, that are not elected and unnacountable, (not that our elected reps are accountable) ; these are tailor made for control-freak wack jobs to implement far reaching policies without public or business review, and this isby design. That is the statist way in modern politics, legislation and legislators are just for show, the courts, lawyers, and NGOs and such actually run the show.


14 posted on 11/05/2012 6:28:44 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: varmintman

what is the procedure for getting regulations overturned


15 posted on 11/05/2012 6:30:37 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: varmintman

And West Virginia is about to re-elect a RAT Senator Manchin. Unbelievable.

WHAT THE HELL ARE THOSE PEOPLE IN WEST VIRGINIA THINKING? RATS pretend to be anything—then they vote Communist. What’s not to understand here?


16 posted on 11/05/2012 6:32:10 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete

DemoKKKrats are WORSE than communists. Anybody who’d ever walked up to Joseph Stalin and suggested the idea of destroying a dam or hydroelectric plant or a major agricultural area like the Central Valley for the sake of lizards, shad, salmon, snail darters or delta smelts would have been taken out behind the barn and shot through the head.


17 posted on 11/05/2012 6:38:00 AM PST by varmintman (November Sixth || Obunga is Through || Bork Obunga || Before He Borks You || Burma Shave)
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To: All
RE: How to make it go away?

"Where did we go wrong, Blanche? "

How do we fix the problem? Tain't happening until "a crisis shall have been reached and passed."

Abe will explain from "the other side."

You initiated a policy to tolerate the Marxist-Alinsky radicals and let them rant; not only has it not ceased but was constantly augmented by decades of infiltration and indoctrination. You now have two Americas. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half statist and half free; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.


18 posted on 11/05/2012 6:38:09 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: varmintman
More than 50 EPA staff are now crashing to finish greenhouse gas emission standards that would essentially ban all construction of new coal-fired power plants.

Come Jan. 21 they'll be in the application line at Walmart with the rest of us...


19 posted on 11/05/2012 6:39:38 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: varmintman

re: “ But if Romney wins, regulators will have a very narrow window to enact a select few costly regulations that would then be very hard for a President Romney to undo.”

I don’t like “executive orders” generally because presidents use them when they can’t get congress to do what they want, thus often circumventing the Constitution.

But, in the case of a government regulatory bureaucracy that has no Constitutional authority for its existence, I have no problem with the president issuing an order to that particular department to cease and desist in regard to a particular act or actions that department is attempting to implement.

All Romney has to do is to issue an order to stop those regulations from being implemented.


20 posted on 11/05/2012 6:40:33 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Regulatory powers belong to the Executive. Every piece of legislation gives the Executive some level of regulatory power. There are often disputes about whether the Executive has exceeded its powers, but there is no question that a regulation made by the Executive can be undone by the Executive. All that is required is the political will. Hopefully we’ll soon find out if President Romney has the will to reign in the bloated, partisan bureaucracy - much of which survived 8 years of Bush Jr. and grew ever more huge, powerful and radical under Obama.


21 posted on 11/05/2012 6:44:24 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Civil Service-protected employees do not stand in Walmart Application lines. They are all-but GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES FOR LIFE.


22 posted on 11/05/2012 6:44:36 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

it would not be Very Hard if the GOP didn’t run scared from the MSM and the rest of the Rats


23 posted on 11/05/2012 6:52:32 AM PST by Gasshog
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To: rusty schucklefurd

PS. The people of West Virginia seem to have figured this out. Let’s see if the message gets through to coal country in Ohio and Pennsylvania. What part of “you are going to be out of a job” do they not understand?


24 posted on 11/05/2012 6:52:34 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Rules” like this one need congressional approval.


25 posted on 11/05/2012 6:53:06 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: SC_Pete
And West Virginia is about to re-elect a RAT Senator Manchin.

Rat-bastard Manchin has bamboozled a lot of folks ... the NRA, for example, enthusiastically endorses the foul SOB.

I support John Raese for Senate.

26 posted on 11/05/2012 6:53:14 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: tcrlaf

Positions can be cut along w/budgets. RR have stated a plan to merge various Departments/Agencies, thereby downsizing the Federal Government. Those civil service employees can then go to the wait list and either take the first position that becomes vacant that they qualify for or not.


27 posted on 11/05/2012 7:21:04 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: varmintman

These coal states voted Obama in 2008. Isn’t this what they wanted?


28 posted on 11/05/2012 7:22:04 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: varmintman

You know what? It’s time the EPA was scared of us for a change.


29 posted on 11/05/2012 7:28:27 AM PST by GBA (Vote as if your Freedom depends on it...)
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To: varmintman

Oh you guys are too harsh. There’s nothing wrong with the EPA, that eliminating that agency entirely wouldn’t fix. ;^)


30 posted on 11/05/2012 7:34:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Resident NBC NRD N3pmCs HCR / no birth C / no req docs / no 3pm calls / he can read)
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To: BO Stinkss


31 posted on 11/05/2012 7:37:02 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: chrisser

Removal Procedure:

CRAs on each measure. Need 50% to throw them out...Congressional Review Authorizations. Just heard it on WLS radio Chicago with Jake Hartford and John Kas—they had a senator on talking about this very topic.


32 posted on 11/05/2012 7:44:57 AM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: chrisser

Republicans promised to abolish the Dept. of Education since Reagan. Once these things are established, they are forever. That is the fear with Obamacare.


33 posted on 11/05/2012 8:10:47 AM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: varmintman

I recall a statement made by Obama in reference to coal fired plants.”They can build them,but they’ll go bankrupt in the process”.Can’t remember when statement was made and doubt quote is verbatim but that was the essence of his statement.Does anyone else remember statement?


34 posted on 11/05/2012 8:22:25 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: varmintman

I recall a statement made by Obama in reference to coal fired plants.”They can build them,but they’ll go bankrupt in the process”.Can’t remember when statement was made and doubt quote is verbatim but that was the essence of his statement.Does anyone else remember statement?


35 posted on 11/05/2012 8:24:00 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: varmintman

Oops-double post.Major connectivity problems today.Is it just me?Or anyone else experiencing problems?


36 posted on 11/05/2012 8:36:08 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: yldstrk

“what is the procedure for getting regulations overturned”

I don’t believe you want ‘to go there’. Although every one of the key indicators seem reveal that we will eventually.


37 posted on 11/05/2012 8:45:01 AM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: varmintman
will have a very narrow window to enact a select few costly regulations

Is that strictly up to the EPA or do they have to go thru congress?

If just the EPA, can Romney rescind any regulations they may implement?

38 posted on 11/05/2012 8:51:17 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: varmintman

Unfortunately, there are EPA’S, or EPA-like entities, in every State. The dirty little secret is that the Federal EPA, along with the States, actually fund the envirowackos to ‘study’ the environment and ‘recommend changes & regulations. This also needs to stop. We, and most life on Earth, are CARBON-BASED lifeforms. The envirowackos have managed to so bastardize science that now CO2 is considered evil. CO2 is PLANT FOOD!! Our schools now teach this envirowacko crap & brainwash our children that their parents are destroying the perfectly-balanced Gaia simply by living. Is it any wonder Paul Erlich is still considered a ‘wise sage’ at Stanford University? Everything in his book the Population Bomb has been proven false many times over, but the wackos still honor him, because he continues the meme that America, freedom, and free enterprise are all to blame for the trumped-up tragedies that in reality have not and never will, injure our environment.

Just as prolifers are no longer allowed in the DemocRAT party, anyone who does not spout the envirowacko meme is not welcome.


39 posted on 11/05/2012 9:06:49 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try.)
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To: chrisser

“Just curious if anyone knows what’s the procedure to abolish a federal agency like the EPA. Has it ever been attempted before?
I suspect the President could do a lot - such as refusing to appoint key members, refusing to spend the money Congress allocates, etc., but all that could be reversed by the next administration. I assume it would take action by Congress to completely eliminate an agency permanently.”

Just posted on another thread, but worth repeating here:


I want to see some kind of “Anti-Regulation Task Force” which will identify all new regulations imposed by Obama over the past four years. Once identified, it must become an important force within the new administration and the new Congress to repeal them, to restore “the pre-Obama status quo”.

Particular emphasis should be placed on the EPA. Not only must we revoke their regulations since 2008, but we should actually “go back further”, with an intent to undo as much of the EPA as is possible, short of outright dismantlement of that agency. I would prefer to abolish the EPA, but realize that that is a pipedream. Short of that, we can “take their teeth away”, if we really wish to do so. Read on...

For the long-term, I would like to see some kind of legislation on a national scale, or perhaps even a possible Constitutional Amendment, that will reign in the regulatory monster. The thrust of the amendment should be to establish within the Constitution the concept that ONLY CONGRESS (emphasis intentional) has the power to pass both laws AND regulations — with the intent that any new regulations passed by ANY agency or administration of the United States cannot become effective until there is a full vote in Congress to validate them.

I doubt that such an amendment could be passed by an existing Congress. Perhaps it’s time to actually use that part of the existing Constitution, that provides for a Constitutional Convention arising from the state level, and bypassing the Congress altogether.

I’ll put the tin foil hat back on the table now...


40 posted on 11/05/2012 9:49:29 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Road Glide; All
well..It was actually created by RMN by EO during his 1st term.
On Wiki...."The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon
and began operation on December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed
an executive order."

41 posted on 11/05/2012 9:56:14 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: varmintman

China makes most of our stuff: Obama makes U.S. uncompetitive

The U.S. economy is crap . We can’t even make most of our own stuff we use as China is making that and beating us. Obama has been president for 4 years so it’s that piece of crap’s fault.Obama’s socialism has destroyed the U.S. economy . We have much more coal, oil, shale oil , natural gas etc. than China but Obama is restricting energy production which could have created cheap energy for manufacturers . Instead China is building 1 coal power plant per week and makes most things we use ( more every day but the media lies and says the economy is great). 17 million more people on food stamps, 8 million more on disability , 20 million more unemployed. millions of manufacturing jobs lost , 50% college grads can’t find jobs, other good jobs replaced with fast food jobs and part time jobs all this with 6 trillion $ in debt it added on us . after election Obama ‘s EPA plans to almost completely shut down coal,oil, natural gas etc. Don’t you democrats and other voters for Obama get it socialism never works

This “economy” has been running on pure debt.the U.S.A can’t even make our own stuff as China makes that. Obama has made the U.S. uncompetitive. And all this when technology has advanced exponentially ( so our financial status should have also) but it hasn’t because Obama has destroyed the U.S. with its socialism


42 posted on 11/05/2012 9:57:55 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: varmintman
   These over reaching regulations can be blocked by the courts. Bush appointed judges have already helped by blocking regulations. It will certainly help more to get a Republican Senate & President this time around. I wish we could just abolish it. I can't afford a higher power bill.
43 posted on 11/05/2012 3:16:27 PM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: varmintman; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; America_Right; ..
Assuming Romney wins, there needs to be some sort of a credible threat out there involving prison time for these Gaea-worshiping lunatics for such activities.

Dream on. If Romney is anything like Bush, he won't even bother to prosecute any of these turds, if there is credible evidence that they broke the law.

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44 posted on 11/05/2012 4:47:43 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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