For those of you STILL considering voting 3rd party....

[conservativesister]

If you still need to come up with a reason NOT to vote 3rd party remember this : Obamacare Mandate: Anyone Who Works 30-Hour Week Is Now 'Full-Time' ...

Employers are going to have to adjust to this (downsize the hours for anyone employed over 30 hrs a week) or go out of business, even if they have to use temp agencies to fulfil the hours needed to complete the work.

[WVKayaker]

DUDE, you MAY have such great points (in your mind), except they do not address anything I said. Where did I Idolize Romney? Where have I said he will save anything. I didn't, but that doesn't seem to make it through your blinders. Jesus paid that price for me and all of us.

Why do you think you are speaking for God? What special message do you have that the rest of us Christians don't get?

I know Him, and believe me, you aren't His spokesman. You are just a voice trying to get attention. We call them attention whores...

I'm a Christian. I have actively posted on many anti-Mormon threads, as I believe they are a cult. But I am not voting for a preacher! Nor, am I electing a Pope! I am voting for sensible change to the existing situation, and praying that God will restore our nation.

Vote or don't vote, but get off that "high horse" (or probably hobby horse) and get real. You claim to be a Christian, so I won't question that. But, as a life-long Conservative, I will vote for the lesser evil (as it may be). I will stand with my choice, Sarah Palin, behind Mitt Romney for our next President.

With his business background, and record of making things work,he will stand a better chance for change that that hopey, changey Magic Negro!

Don't bother replying, because I am shaking the dust from my feet!!!

[Darren McCarty]

A worst case Romney scenario is this. Eric Holder fired. Sebelius gone as HHS. No Kagan. That’s good enough for me at this point.

[INVAR]

DUDE, you MAY have such great points (in your mind), except they do not address anything I said

Neither have you addressed what I have said, outside of asserting that I need a civics lesson because I dared to state Romney's not going to do anything (including setting an agenda) that will work to repeal ObamaCare.

Where did I Idolize Romney? Where have I said he will save anything.

"I'm gonna vote for the future of my grandchildren and Romney"

Voting for Romney you apparently assert is 'saving' your grandkids' future/the nation etc. My contention is voting for Romney does no such thing and is on the line of idolatry. We do not have a monarchy. Perhaps I'm not the one in need of a civic's lesson.

Why do you think you are speaking for God?

What's the First Commandment?

Scripture is pretty plain on the issue of putting things before God or making institutions of men or men themselves into saviors. Remember when Israel wanted a king? Remember what God told Samuel? That's right - He told Samuel that the people had rejected God for want of a king. They believed a man would secure their future better than God. That's scripture if you have studied it - not me talking.

I'll say it again, to assert voting for Romney saves the nation or all the consequences of the last 4 decades, or that voting Romney somehow secures the future of our kids and grandkids, is idolatry. No politician is capable of doing any of those things. You would be putting men before God with such thinking. If that statement bothers you - good, it means your conscience is pricked with some truth and you do not like it. But that's fact, whether you want to accept it or not.

I am not voting for a preacher! Nor, am I electing a Pope!

Well, unlike you - I do not compartmentalize my faith. According to the Founders, our faith was supposed to be an active influence on our culture and our choice of representatives was to be a reflection of our faith. If it is so easy to vote the "lesser of evils" then it explains why when someone stands up for righteousness to decry such behavior is obviously something offensive to those who pay lip service to their faith.

Don't bother replying, because I am shaking the dust from my feet!

I guess biblical acumen is not your strong suit - when exactly did Jesus say we were supposed to do that?

Since my words to you are being rejected ( the attention whore you say I am) - I do not believe it is you to whom the admonition applies. But I know what you meant. BTW it's not necessarily you personally I'm making these observations - it's a mindset you have expressed that is in a majority - but it's not a mindset Christians should have - and that's why I'm making an issue out of it.

You do exemplify what II Timothy says about a people having only a form of religion. A people that can put God in a box and compartmentalize their faith. That might anger you - but it is the truth of where Christianity in America has arrived. It explains exactly how and why we have Obama as a ruler in the first place. Lukewarmness.

And in that specific regard, I am speaking on the authority of Jesus Christ because I'm essentially paraphrasing Paul's letter to Timothy for you.

[truth_seeker]

What a crock.

The GOP and GOPers in general, haven’t done everything I want, just as I want, all the time.

So therefore I should accept Obama? What a crock.

Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, desire and try to raise taxes, lower our defenses, weaken our schools, restrict our rights.

GOPers while not perfect, are the better, at keeping taxes lower, our defenses stronger, and our rights and freedoms intact.

[WVKayaker]

Matthew:15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?”

18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, 20 and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

21 “Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

22 When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away.
*****

I will not respond again, since you are an obvious hypocritical attention whore! I know in whom I believe... and it ain’t you, nor Romney. BUT, he has my vote!!

[OneWingedShark]

What a crock.
The GOP and GOPers in general, haven’t done everything I want, just as I want, all the time.
So therefore I should accept Obama? What a crock.

Did I say that? No.

Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, desire and try to raise taxes, lower our defenses, weaken our schools, restrict our rights.
GOPers while not perfect, are the better, at keeping taxes lower, our defenses stronger, and our rights and freedoms intact.

Keeping taxes lower? No, if they wanted to do that they would be severely pushing a flat-rate, no tax-credit, no exemption policy. The "tax cuts" (or rather keeping the Bush Tax-cuts from expiring) are not actual reductions in taxes -- they are to taxes what the Obamacare waivers will be to the states: the assumption of powers subject to arbitrary use/abuse/recension of those in power. (Indeed, has not the mere threat of the tax cuts being allowed to expire been used as political scare tactics?)

Our schools are weak, and are so fundamentally designed to be so: republican and democrat makes no difference. (Much of this weakness is now showing up in other symptoms.)

As to Rights and freedoms, did you even read the portion in my previous post on the War on Drugs?
Those who support the War on Drugs are no friends of the Bill of Rights; the War on Drugs is, after all, total war.

[INVAR]

And your citation of Matthew 15 as it applies to what I said to you that you have declared hypocrisy, is applicable HOW?

I’m eager with anticipation to hear how the verses you cited apply to what I said to you.

Please enlighten me that I may understand someone who says they do not believe me (when I’m referencing the bible), nor do you believe Romney - but you are voting for him because you assert he somehow is the future for your grandkids.

I like the fact you do not believe me, because if you are truly a Christian - you should double check what is said with scripture and do the Berean thing.

How is it then, you are so eager and willing to believe what Romney says rather than examine his record as a good Berean would do? How does that square with applying and living in accord with the faith you claim to have?

Is Romney’s face on our coinage? Are your principles stamped with his image or inscribed with his words?

How then does rendering to Caesar fit in this discussion?

[WVKayaker]

I’ll just post Sarah Palin’s comments!

*****

Sarah Palin: This Tuesday our country’s future is in our hands. (via Facebook)
Facebook ^ | November 5, 2012 | Sarah Palin
Posted on November 5, 2012 12:44:14 AM EST by Bratch

This Tuesday our country’s future is in our hands.

What’s past is prologue. We know what we will get from a second Obama term because we’ve all endured his first term. We know how well he kept his 2008 campaign promises. Do we really believe he’ll keep his 2012 promises?

Do we believe the word of a man who promised he wouldn’t raise taxes on the middle class, but then slammed the middle class with a massive tax hike in the form of Obamacare (and don’t forget that his own lawyers argued before the Supreme Court that the individual mandate is a tax)?

Do we really believe he won’t raise taxes even more on every American in order to pay for his wasteful spending and his crony capitalism?

Do we believe that the same president who increased the debt in his first term by more than all the first 41 presidents combined will suddenly decide to cut the deficit in his second term?

Do we believe that the president whose reckless spending led us to the first credit rating downgrade in our nation’s history will suddenly become a responsible fiscal manager if we reelect him?

Do we really believe that a president who promised us that job creation was his number one priority despite month after month of dismal job numbers now has a credible “plan” for the job growth that eluded him for the past four years?

Do we believe that the same president who shut down the Keystone Pipeline and blocks domestic oil and natural gas development at every turn is somehow going to reduce our dangerous dependence on foreign oil and lead us to energy independence?

Do we really believe that our country’s national security is safe in the hands of a president whose administration denied security and assistance to our consulate under attack on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack on America, and then blamed that consulate attack and the death of our ambassador on a “spontaneous” protest over an obscure YouTube video despite all the real time evidence to the contrary?

Do we believe that a president who was caught on a hot mic telling the Russian president that he would have “more flexibility” after his reelection is being honest about his plans for a second term?

We know what we will get from a second Obama term. We will get the same failed policies. We will get Obamacare locked into law without any chance of undoing this dangerous legislation and any chance to seek real patient-centered health care reform. We will get a debt crisis. We will get more inflation and higher gas prices. We will get tax increases. We will get fewer jobs. We will get more small businesses collapsing under the weight of higher taxes and unfair regulation. We will get more corruption and crony capitalism favoring the Obama administration’s friends. We will get less domestic energy development and increased dependence on terrorist sponsoring foreign regimes for our energy needs. We will get a “blame America first” foreign policy that bows to our enemies and snubs our friends like Israel and leaves America and the world less safe. We will get less opportunity and security for ourselves and for our children.

In 2008, Barack Obama promised to fundamentally transform America. And for all his failures and broken promises, that’s the one thing he has delivered on. He’s transformed us from a nation of hope to one of anxiety. It doesn’t have to be this way.

Tuesday is our chance to turn things around.

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have offered a credible alternative to Barack Obama’s failed policies. Governor Romney understands how the free market works. His pro-growth economic policies will benefit all Americans. He has promised to move us toward energy independence, deficit reduction, and responsible entitlement reform that honors our commitment to our seniors and keeps faith with future generations. Governor Romney deserves a chance to lead. President Obama had his chance. He’s failed, and we can’t afford to go backwards.

We must also remember the many good Republican candidates who are running for the House and Senate this year. They deserve our support as well. If you are like me, you have watched these campaigns, learned about the candidates, and know where they stand despite the skewed lens of a partisan media bent on keeping liberal leadership in power. We saw the destruction a Democrat controlled White House, House, and Senate brought us after the 2008 election. Our country can’t afford that again. Your vote is the only safeguard against that happening.

On Tuesday, please vote for Governor Mitt Romney and the commonsense conservatives running for office in your states.

Voting is our duty and our right. We must never forget the immense sacrifices generations of Americans, including our brave men and women in uniform today, have made to give us this right. And we must never forget the duty we owe to generations of Americans yet to be born to exercise our right to vote prudently. The White House and control of the Senate is in the balance in this election, and every vote will count.

I firmly believe it is our responsibility to restore this country and secure the blessings of liberty and prosperity for our children, just as it was secured for us. This is our sacred duty to the past and to the future. We will succeed in this so help us God.

God bless you and God bless America.

With an Alaskan heart,

Sarah Palin

[samtheman]

Because a huge popular vote win makes the post-election lawsuits less likely.

Because a huge popular vote win shuts the liberals up completely.

Because a huge popular vote win prevents a replay of 2000, where the liberals all called the Republican President illegitimate.

Because we are not just fighting to unseat the Kenyan, but to de-legitamize the Kenyan News Media.

That’s why. (Off the top of my head, in 30 seconds. I could come up with a 10,000 word essay on the subject but I have to get to work. I’m taking the ferry from Hoboken into NYC this morning.)

[Bubba_Leroy]

Because a huge popular vote win shuts the liberals up completely.

It doesn't ever work that way. Just the opposite in fact. Liberals cannot handle the cognitive dissonance caused by a huge popular vote against them. Derangement immediately sets in.

Look at recent history. Did the liberals shut up after the Republican blow out election in 2010? Did the lamestream media start giving the Tea Party some grudging respect? Not hardly.

In 1994 it was much worse (and really fun to watch). In a nationwide blowout election, Republicans seized control of the Senate, the House, a majority of the governorships and a majority of the state legislatures. Basically, nearly every Democrat running for any office anywhere in the country lost and nearly every Republican running for office anywhere in the country won.

The lamestream media was not expecting it, was not at all prepared for it, and had a collective on-air meltdown as the election results started rolling in. My favorite was watching Peter Jennings proclaim "Imagine a nation full of uncontrolled two-year-old rage. The voters had a temper tantrum last week....the nation can't be run by an angry two-year-old."

Liberals (including the lamestream media) spent the next four years in a non-stop concerted effort to demonize Newt Gingrich and every other Republican that they could blame for the 1994 "temper tantrum."

In 1984, Reagan had the audacity to win almost 59% of the popular vote and almost 98% of the electoral vote. I don't recall the liberals ever shutting up about Reagan or considering him to be a legitimate president. The palpable liberal hatred and loathing of Reagan was not matched until the liberal hatred and loathing of George W. Bush set in, after Bush won a majority of the popular vote in 2004.

The worst was Nixon. His greatest crime was beating McGovern with over 60% of the popular vote in 1972. None of the liberals in or out of the lamestream media even knew anyone that had voted for Nixon. Nixon could not possibly have actually received 60% of the vote. He must have stolen the election and he had to be punished for it. And punish him they did, managing to force his resignation over stupid campaign tricks of a kind that paled in comparison to anything that LBJ or Kennedy had done. No conservatives came to Nixon's defense, because Nixon was basically a liberal (opening relations with Communist China, imposing wage and price controls, enacting "revenue sharing" with state and local governments, creating the EPA - it is a long list).

I still hope that Obama loses tomorrow in a nationwide landslide. It will give me hope for our nation's future. I have no illusions, however, that it will do anything other than make liberals even more deranged and bent on revenge.

I go back to my original statement. All that really matters is that Romney get more than 270 electoral votes. The more the better. Winning several more states than he needs will eliminate any recount fights in any one state. But running up Romney's vote totals in Texas or in any other state that Romney is sure to carry, or reducing Obama's vote totals in New York, California or any other state that Obama is sure to carry will accomplish nothing.

[INVAR]

Sarah and you are most welcome to vote whomever you please.

I’m not the one starting threads targeted Romney voters, urging them to change their minds or to belittle them or shame them like I have seen and read umpteen times on this forum and various others, upon those of us who are voting our principles and faith and therefore NOT voting for Romney.

I know Romney’s record. I know what Romney did Tuesday at the RNC. I know what he and his people did to Conservatives and I know what they had to say about Conservatives and the TEA party (Etch-A-Sketch sign a bell?). Romney lies as handily and as easily as Obama, that’s the record. How sad so many are so willing to look the other way on Romney’s record out of abject fear of Obama whom they have accepted as an evil king.

If fixing what ails us is dependent upon removing a president in the minds of so many - then we have already crossed into the realm of monarchy - and you are welcome to play that game and go that route - but I will not be contributing to that evil.

We have Obama as President because we keep getting suckered into fear to vote for the Ruling Class, lesser of evils candidate. You want to vote liberal? You are going to get liberal. You vote for lesser evil? You are still gonna get evil. Yeah, yeah, yeah - you’re not voting for a pope - but in no way is it possible as a Christian to vote for a man whose record promotes homosexuality and homosexual marriage, abortion, government-run healthcare just to name a few. And I’m speaking of Romney.

You are welcome to deceive yourself all you want that Romney’s record is not as evil as Obama’s.

I want no part of participating in that kind of deceptive dissonance sham any longer.

I vote Conservative, PERIOD. Party means nothing to me any more. Party can pound sand.

And so can you and Sarah if you think somehow shaming me or attempting to frighten me with Obama is going to get me to change my vote for a Conservative for the top spot.

[samtheman]

Liberals are deranged, I’ll give you that.

But I’m thinking of “borderline liberals”, people I know (not in the media, they are all deranged, of course), who do have the capacity to be swayed by arguments one way or another.

The people I’m thinking about DID react differently to 2010 than they did to 2000. Much differently. The size of the conservative vote DID make them have second thoughts about their 2000-based ideas that only Democrats can win elections legitimately and that Republicans only win when the court hands them the win.

Yes. It makes a difference. It makes a very big difference. There are real people out there. Please don’t base all your thoughts on the media.

[Theophilus]

Romney does not fear God. He does not qualify.

[Theophilus]

Romney does not fear God. He does not qualify.

[WVKayaker]

... Party can pound sand.... And so can you and Sarah if you think somehow shaming me or attempting to frighten me ...

...and your screed is for what purpose? You are claiming that your Christianity is pure, and your only will is to do what God asks. You imply that we are not really Christians, if we don't agree with your stance.

You have a serious beam, my FRiend! Do you sit in the front pew and show your wallet, too? It is apparent from your attacks that you consider yourself more spiritual than anybody that votes for Romney over Bammy. That's a Scriptural stance, huh? Tell that to JimRob. I'm under the impression he is supporting Romney and has or will vote for him. He even posted a thread about it!

God is in Heaven, and He knows what is happening. If He so chooses, he can use a burning bush or an ass... to be heard! If you wish, find a cave and crawl under a rock, but a closet is the best place for your form of spirituality, IMHO. You should be in deep prayer and fasting, not spending time herein telling us how to believe and think! THAT is the only Godly way, isn't it?

Of course, Pharrisses always like to be seen and heard! Your posts are quite reminiscient of their attitudes and ways.

Your principles are not the problem. It's that thing in your eye!

[INVAR]

You are claiming that your Christianity is pure, and your only will is to do what God asks. You imply that we are not really Christians, if we don't agree with your stance.

That's your own guilt/conscience burning. I've not said nor implied any such thing other than to state that for myself in evaluating the faith and Romney's record, it is a sin to vote for Romney, and I'm not ashamed to say so. That you take that as an offense of your own faith simply suggests how apparently shallow and lukewarm it is.

And as I said - I'm not the one starting threads to castigate and attempt to shame those voting for Romney. But it is interesting how many threads have been started to intimidate, shame and ridicule anyone and everyone who stands on their faith and principles by voting for a Conservative for President.

When we defend our reasons and positions, people like you automatically start accusing us of being Pharisees, hypocrites, etc. That fruit alone speaks volumes to me. It's the same exact tactic that the pro-abortion/Homosexual marriage supporters pull on Christians who refuse to submit or succumb to their agenda and continue to stand on their faith and principles. Satan obviously sticks to what works.

See, to folks like you - our principles and faith IS the beam in our eye that you say we need to remove, so we can capitulate and go with the flow of expedience and the herd.

Pound sand there Em. You should know me well enough to know that I stand on my positions without wavering or apology. I've voted for a Conservative for the top spot today.

If that makes me a Pharisee and hypocrite in your eyes - so be it. I'll stand on what I believe is right, even if I stand alone and I'm the ONLY person in the country to do so.

[WVKayaker]

FRiend, you are so full of crap, I need waders.
Every posting you’ve made has been an attempt to intimidate...
I have no problems with my stand, but your “ high and mighty” stance reveals everything I need to know about you...
Be sure and sing loudly in church, that way everybody knows you are the most Religious!

[INVAR]

FRiend, you are so full of crap, I need waders. Every posting you’ve made has been an attempt to intimidate...

You're projecting what you, yourself are doing. Who am I intimidating? Did I start a thread like this one to shame Romney voters? Am I jumping on every person who's says they are voting for Romney and attempting to ridicule or shame them? All I did was post my position boldly. For that - you've gone hate-mongering berserk.

You are exactly like those pro-Homosexual marriage supporters who are out of their minds insane that someone of faith would dare openly state they oppose their agenda. They accuse the same as you do - that I'm a Pharisee, have a plank of hypocrisy in my eye and all the same accusations of flaunting my faith as an example of theocratic tyranny that must be opposed, shouted down and silenced.

I accept such accusal that you fling proudly. It reminds me that I'm doing the right thing in the midst of a II Timothy 3 generation.

[Springfield Reformer]

Happily, you are not alone. There’s a few of us remaining who will doggedly vote conservative, even when it’s not popular. Like the song says, this world is not our home, we’re just a passin’ through. Hard sometimes to hang on to that, but those are the moments of greatest opportunity to experience the power of God in our lives, and that makes it all worthwhile. Like Nate Saint said (I think it was him), he is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep, to gain that which he cannot lose.

Peace,

SR

[Dead Corpse]

I had two criteria... If Johnson was polling high enough to make a difference and if MN looked like a slam-dunk for Obozo... Then I'd vote for Johnson.

As it turns out, I voted straight ticket GOP and wrote myself in again un-opposed incumbents for a couple of local offices.

I also voted for the MN voter ID amendment.