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Dead heat for Romney and Obama in latest Michigan poll (R47/O46)
Fox 2 ^ | 11/4 | Fox 2 Detroit

Posted on 11/04/2012 5:37:49 AM PST by tatown

Who are you most likely to vote for in the Presidential election - Democratic President Barack Obama, or Republican Nominee, Governor Mitt Romney, another candidate, or are you undecided?

Republican Nominee Mitt Romney 46.86% President Barack Obama 46.24% Another candidate 4.94% Undecided 1.96%

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxdetroit.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: michigan; poll; presidentmittromney; yourewelcome
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To: nhwingut
If you take the Realclearpolitics map and seed it with "no leaners" but flip Colorado to Romney (which I think will happen) it shows Romney with 257 electoral votes, needs 13 more to seal it. With CO if he gets either PA or OH, it's over. If he doesn't get PA or OH but gets any one of Wisconsin, Michigan, or Minnesota, he only gets 10 of the 13. He needs to get one more state to get a path to 270 without PA or OH. Nevada? Iowa? New Hampshire? Any one of them plus Colorado gets it done.

Bottom line, if he takes the states he's supposed to and adds Colorado plus any one of MN, WI, or MI, he wins. If he gets either PA or OH, any of those states puts him over the top (CO, MN, WI, MI, NV, IA). If they are all in a "too close to call" such that it's a coin toss, he ought to win at least one, you'd think.

The good news is there are lots of realistic possibilities that get him to 270, it's not all down to just one or two states. The bad news is it's not over, even though the sentiment seems to favor Romney. To win he has to flip some deep blue states and flipping blue states is almost as hard as flipping a liberal SCOTUS judge.

41 posted on 11/04/2012 6:26:59 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: nhwingut
Deep blue Michigan.

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42 posted on 11/04/2012 6:29:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: o2bfree
I think the pollsters are colluding to generate an agreed upon result. Rush said something similar on Friday, he said not even the republican pollsters are willing to stick their neck out this time.

That way they can claim their predictions was spot on no matter what happens, if the race is really close they can say they nailed it. If one candidate breaks out and wins by a decent margin they can claim they polls had been trending toward that candidate and "the dam broke" after the last poll was released. That's why there seems to be a little "good" news for each candidate in every poll. (If Romney wins, they will say "our polls showed independents moving toward Romney" if Obama wins "he got a huge boost in approval for the hurricane response". At this point it's all a game of CYA...

43 posted on 11/04/2012 6:29:26 AM PST by apillar
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To: apillar
I'm starting to think the Romney campaign has been pulling an electoral shell game on Obama for the last few months.

Their was a story at I think it was Ali_Pundit with his Obama contact, that Team Romney sent an internal poll to an underling and it went to the top, Axelrod and Jarret came unglued and Obama then said "You didn't build that"....

The point is, they are probably playing to his weaknesses and it wouldn't surpise me if they have a shrink aboard to learn how to play him.

Another point to your shell game, Yes, they rop-a-doped him by going after his weak 08' winners, but now he is going after his deep blue prize give-me's.

If that rumor of a purposefully leaked memo is correct, and they got under their skin, their internals back then were way better than anyone knew, and potentially Team Obama knew they were weak in more places than they ever let on.

44 posted on 11/04/2012 6:32:27 AM PST by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: pepsi_junkie

Look at Romney’s demeanor. I watched him on CSPAN last night at his rally in CO - which he will win here - and he had all the assurance of a man who knows he’s going to be President.

His rally was electric! You can just feel the flow of history there. People don’t turn out in large numbers to see a loser.

And there are all the newspaper endorsements Romney’s getting - again, newspaper editors don’t endorse someone they think is going to lose.

Bottom line: Mitt Romney will be our next President!


45 posted on 11/04/2012 6:32:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: cripplecreek
Sounds like a chance of rain on tuesday night with temps in the 30s.

Good, let's hope it stays like that or gets a bit less comfortable! We need every break for Romney to win Michigan.

46 posted on 11/04/2012 6:35:12 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: nhwingut
I am not expecting good news from Gallup tomorrow. Color me not shocked if Obama is +1 or so.
    4 most recent RCP national polls
  1. Sunday Battleground Tracking poll: Mitt Romney, Barack Obama tied
  2. Rasmussen (Saturday) tied
  3. ABC/WashPost (Saturday) tied
  4. Fox News (Wed) tied

It all depends on turnout D+ or R+ number.

47 posted on 11/04/2012 6:36:53 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: cripplecreek
CC....

Are Macomb, Oakland and Wayne still holding Romney?

My eyes are good, but what numbers are the 3 I mentioned...

For those of you in Rio-Linda, if Romney picks of 2 or 3 of those Blue Counties it is over in MI for Obama...

I am curious at Catholic Masses across the State today if letters are being read to remind folks of three important issues to remember when they step in the booth...

* Sanctity of Life
* Sanctity of Marriage
* Freedom of Religion i.e. no Sibilius Mandate...

48 posted on 11/04/2012 6:37:57 AM PST by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: goldstategop

This MI poll is astounding, if accurate. For Romney to have even a tiny lead in MI, WI, or MN must be an indicator that the national polls showing 0bama up slightly must be off. We shall see. Tuesday night-Wednesday morning will be very interesting.


49 posted on 11/04/2012 6:38:50 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: albie

“I hope I never meet anyone in that 1.96% undecided. They’ve obviously never accomplished a thing in their miserable, hand wringing, linguini spined lives.”
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I can’t take time to worry about those contemptible balls of fluff. I am too busy puking every time I think about those who still intend to vote for public enemy number one for a SECOND time!
I can understand that some people despise the Bushes, I can even understand that some people despised Ronald Reagan. What I cannot understand is how anyone could be taken in by Obama once, never mind twice. I don’t even understand those who still swear that Slick Willie is a great man. I look at them the same way I look at someone who swears that he would rather eat fried liver than Porterhouse steak, as incomprehensible to me as anything can ever be.


50 posted on 11/04/2012 6:39:22 AM PST by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: softwarecreator

The Detroit news poll showed the big pro union ballot proposals going down to defeat as well.


51 posted on 11/04/2012 6:39:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: goldstategop

I was at the Colorado rally last night, it was packed and electric!!! The venue seats 18K with additional seating on the grass, so I don’t know how many were there. There was no seating left anywhere, on the grass or in the seats. Colorado is going to Romney, I feel it.


52 posted on 11/04/2012 6:40:43 AM PST by Pondo (The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.)
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To: taildragger

I don’t know about Wayne but Macomb and Oakland counties are seen as Romney’s home counties so I expect him to carry them.


53 posted on 11/04/2012 6:42:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ncalburt; thingumbob

It is well within the margin of error but I think the rule of the press is that if Romney is +5 that is a dead heat but if Obama is +1 he has a solid lead.


54 posted on 11/04/2012 6:43:02 AM PST by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: cripplecreek
The Detroit news poll showed the big pro union ballot proposals going down to defeat as well.

Wouldn't that be nice? I am sick of the unions here in Michigan, not the actual union workers, but their leadership. My father was a local president several decades ago. I remember how he actually cared about the workers, but guys like him have been replaced by greedy thugs.

55 posted on 11/04/2012 6:46:12 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t know about Wayne but Macomb and Oakland counties are seen as Romney’s home counties so I expect him to carry them.

I live in NW Oakland county but have family in Macomb. On recent visits I see Romney signs by something like 3 to 1 over 'bama in Macomb. Here in Oakland county it seems even higher, even in place like Southfield. I was mentioning to my wife the other day at how different it was compared to 2008. I have a slight hope that Romney might take Michigan.

56 posted on 11/04/2012 6:51:51 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: cripplecreek

A big rainstorm during the day would be great. Stretching from Saginaw/Flint down to Detroit and across Lake Erie to Cleveland.


57 posted on 11/04/2012 6:54:07 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: taildragger

Where did you get your info on Wayne county? Wayne co. is Detroit and suburbs (which are conservative, like mine). But because of Detroit, Wayne co. has always been Dimocrat. This is great news if true!


58 posted on 11/04/2012 6:57:27 AM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: softwarecreator

Washtenaw County of all places has more Romney than Bacrock signs outside of actual city of Ann Arbor, and probably Ypsi. Even deep blue Scio Township until you get east of Zeeb Rd has more R signs than D.


59 posted on 11/04/2012 6:58:12 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: RipSawyer

I have posted this sentiment so many times on this and other sites. Also do you notice how the polls/race has been “tightening” for how many weeks now? You’d think with all the tightening by now Romney would’ve “squeezed” past Obama.

“Tight” is the new “gravitas” as far as the media is concerned.

Also another point brought up lately which I believe is relevant is almost everyone concedes the House is not expected to change much. Even taking gerrymandering into account, if the House is solid Republican and is expected to stay so does anyone believe (unlike the 90’s with Clinton) that today one would mark the ballot for their Republican Congressman then vote for Obama or vice-versa, at least in any significant numbers?


60 posted on 11/04/2012 7:00:32 AM PST by ctpsb (Thanks.)
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