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Can Democrat-leaning Voting Machines Win Election for Obama?
americanthinker.com ^ | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 11/03/2012 8:08:14 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2

Imagine you go to the polls and choose Mitt Romney on an electronic machine, but your vote comes up Barack Obama. So you re-enter your choice, but the president's name still stubbornly appears. Then a third try. Ditto.

Innocent malfunction...or something else?

Whatever the case, this has already happened to voters in states such as Nevada, Ohio, Kansas, North Carolina, Missouri, and Colorado -- four of which are swing states.

This hasn't escaped the notice of the Republican National Committee, which has just sent a letter outlining its concerns to the secretaries of state of the aforementioned. The RNC's chief counsel, John Phillipe, wrote that he understands how "the causes of this problem are varied, and include miscalibration and hyper-sensitivity of the machines," verbiage diplomatic enough to avoid being branded a (paranoid) life form from another "inhabited planet," as a complaint-barraged and incredulous North Carolina elections official put it. As for where this puts me, I guess I'm suspicious enough to be targeted by the Men in Black.

I'll make my case. First, all these stories about uncooperative machines involve votes switched in only one direction: Barack Obama's. Would this be possible if at issue were merely innocent errors?

If it isn't true that these malfunctions are curiously monolithic in favor of the president, then where are the news stories to that effect? After all, if Obama votes were switched to Romney ones anywhere, the reliably liberal mainstream media would certainly make it front-page news. But have you gotten wind of such happenings? If so, I'd like to hear about it -- honestly. It would be mind-easing.

Next, we've all used ATMs, and most everyone (except my quasi-Luddite self) has something such as an iPod.

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1 posted on 11/03/2012 8:08:14 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

That all depends on how willing people are to accept a wrong vote from the machine.

I like my paper ballot ans single day voting just fine thank you.


2 posted on 11/03/2012 8:11:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Second question: Are the ballots counted manually at some point for verification purposes?

Third: If on jan 19th it’s found out that the other guy really won, what happens then?


3 posted on 11/03/2012 8:13:49 PM PDT by tsowellfan (KEEP WORKING like we are 10 POINTS DOWN!!!!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
In 25,000 word or less.

Yes the democrats can steal the election.

Everyone remembers this part of quote attributed to Stalin:

The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
The modern Stalinist democrats remember the entire quote:
It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.

4 posted on 11/03/2012 8:14:45 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1383 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I have wondered, on these machines if the names were reversed would the problem reverse?


5 posted on 11/03/2012 8:16:15 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: null and void

If the process by which we the people select our leaders is corrupt, then we the people are not bound by the results of that process.


6 posted on 11/03/2012 8:18:56 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Be cheerful, be confident, and VOTE!!)
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To: Arm_Bears
Ohio Governor said its impossible to cheat on the machine with each party represented at every polling site
7 posted on 11/03/2012 8:23:04 PM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: cripplecreek

There is even more insidious possibility. Even if the screen shows you are voting for Romney, inside the black box the vote is added to Obama. You can’t see it because it is not displayed on any screen.

That is why I am in favor of a paper record printed of each vote. The machine dispenses the printed paper to you, you look at it and then deposit it into a ballot box. Note that it is a computer generated paper ballot, and it will have none of the problems associated with hand marked ballots, in counting the votes through a scanner.

Now a permanent paper record exists for later verification in case problems or questions arise.


8 posted on 11/03/2012 8:25:06 PM PDT by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Seems like this “miscalbration” is always in favor of the Dems. I’m “sure” it’s just a coincidence.


9 posted on 11/03/2012 8:25:06 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Brings to mind the reason for georgie soros’ “Secretary of State” project to control the state officials who control the voting.


10 posted on 11/03/2012 8:29:42 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: scooby321

Really? Boy, that’s a load off of my mind.


11 posted on 11/03/2012 8:29:45 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Be cheerful, be confident, and VOTE!!)
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To: tsowellfan
Third: If on jan 19th it’s found out that the other guy really won, what happens then?

Too late.

The electors will meet to cast their votes in the respective state capitols on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December (12/17, in this case). The state's count must be complete and certified by that date.

The newly-elected House and Senate will then meet in joint session to count and certify the electoral votes on January 6. Whereupon, the next President is officially elected.

But, as noted, the states must have finished their count by December 17. It is this deadline that was instrumental in SCOTUS instructing the Supreme Court of Florida to knock it off with all the recounts and get down to business in 2000.

12 posted on 11/03/2012 8:32:58 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Tip of the iceberg. Tuesdays will see unprecedented levels of voter fraud. All the bogus registrations sitting on voters lists in swing states, thanks to Acorn and other groups will be used this time. They were on the rolls in 2008 and were not used.

Forget the polls, they mean nothing at this point. It will take a huge effort to defeat this POS and remove him from office. In an honest election, Romney has this won by at least 4 points or more... Throw in the millions of bogus registrations waiting to be used, this kind of nonsense with the voting machines, dragging mentally handicapped people out of institution to vote, and everything else... it will be a real challenge for Romney to win.


13 posted on 11/03/2012 8:36:16 PM PDT by Beatthedrum
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To: entropy12
Question: So, when a person selects Romney once, twice,three times and all show up for Obama, THEN finally it shows up Romney as desired. OK, that looks like it could be 3 votes for Obama and 1 for Romney.

Would that be possible?

14 posted on 11/03/2012 8:39:14 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Hmmm. maybe all those Pollsters know something we don’t or didn’t until now. Maybe that is how they can keep insisting that Zero is leading.


15 posted on 11/03/2012 8:41:28 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Iam1ru1-2
It's more of the same gimmickry you have had since the dawn of time.

What is always needed is the good guys getting enough votes to overwhelm that. I believe you will get that in most states on Tuesday.

16 posted on 11/03/2012 8:41:38 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Iam1ru1-2; FReepers; Patriots

Check you ballot receipt before you leave.


17 posted on 11/03/2012 8:46:31 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: annieokie

Yes, that is entirely possible because the voter has no clue what the black box recorded. Even if the screen says vote for Romney, the computer can add it to Obama by invisible electronics magic.


18 posted on 11/03/2012 8:47:43 PM PDT by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

When punching the button for Romney and getting Obama it is meant to happen.

I have 40 years in Aerospace Computer Experience, There is no such thing as a “Computer Glitch”, I repeat there is no such thing as a “Computer Glitch” If it is accidental, it is a Programming error.

If an event i.e. (If Romney-vote goto Obama-vote or If Obama-vote goto Obama-vote) if this is programed it will happen, other wise it does not happen. So the Obama people or surrogates want this to happen.

Ron Bish
Taylor, AZ


19 posted on 11/03/2012 8:51:46 PM PDT by DeweyShootem
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To: Arm_Bears

uh huh...


20 posted on 11/03/2012 8:52:39 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1383 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: Arm_Bears; scooby321

Sorry to throw cold water on your posts, but only the technician/programmer knows how the vote will be counted INSIDE THE INVISIBLE WORLD OF ELECTRONICS. The screen can be programmed to display anything, and the actual vote count inside the machine could be different.

Since I have written over million lines of computer code in various software development, I am quite aware switching votes is ridiculous inside the black box of voting machine.

see my previous post why paper ballots printed by the voting machine and then used for vote counting is MUCH MORE RELIABLE than the invisible black box electronics.


21 posted on 11/03/2012 8:54:39 PM PDT by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: cripplecreek

In Japan , each registered voter receives a paper in the mail from their local town hall / govt. When they go to vote , their name is checked off and they submit the paper . They then do a paper ballot vote . No problemo . Simple . You can’t vote twice . You can’t vote as an illegal alien . You can’t vote if you are dead . America is third world ???????????????????


22 posted on 11/03/2012 8:57:35 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: entropy12
Thats what I thought.

OK, now: The rolls only have so many voters, but if the machines record 3 to 1, that would be a major difficulty for them wouldn't it?

23 posted on 11/03/2012 8:57:57 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: entropy12
Sorry to throw cold water on your posts, but only the technician/programmer knows how the vote will be counted INSIDE THE INVISIBLE WORLD OF ELECTRONICS. The screen can be programmed to display anything, and the actual vote count inside the machine could be different.

Code must be open source and available at all times.

24 posted on 11/03/2012 8:58:58 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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To: entropy12
Question again: In Okla. we have paper ballots, we connect the Dots (so to speak), run that ballot through the scanning machine. Finished.

Is that the same type of machines you are talking about? If not, are ours oh the up and up. We have never had a voting problem here, that I know of, but then we are an ALL RED STATE, lol.

25 posted on 11/03/2012 9:03:26 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Lazamataz
Code must be open source and available at all times. Voter fraud is also against the law and a felony. Does that stop voter fraud? Nope, it happens all the time. How many voting machines are there in 50 states? Is every one of them scrutinized by our technicians? I doubt it. Also, it only takes a few seconds to change the code in a machine AFTER VOTING HOURS end.
26 posted on 11/03/2012 9:09:16 PM PDT by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: entropy12

Our machines have a card like a debit card.

You poke it in the machine, cast your votes and the machine spits the card out and a poll worker puts in a box.

Are the votes tallied on the cards?

[since I’m in the gimme state of MD it’s a moot point but still...]


27 posted on 11/03/2012 9:12:54 PM PDT by Salamander (Wounded, old and dangerous.)
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To: annieokie

You people in OK are doing it better by using paper ballots. We have a hodgepodge voting system in the country. It varies by state and county.

For example here in WA state, 100% of vote is by mail! No voter ID or proof of citizenship required. My two kids came of voting age recently and they registered to vote and no one asked for their birth certificate or passport.

I do not like voting done entirely by electronic machines with NO PAPER TRAIL for verification.


28 posted on 11/03/2012 9:14:33 PM PDT by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: Salamander

Your system is as good as it gets. I wish it was followed by law in every county in the country.


29 posted on 11/03/2012 9:16:05 PM PDT by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: DeweyShootem

You are exactly right. I have never seen a Computer program make an UNINTENDED error. I speak from more than 3 decades in software development.


30 posted on 11/03/2012 9:20:07 PM PDT by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: entropy12

We also have pit bull poll watchers which is kinda silly since everybody here knows everybody else by first name.

My [R] watchers are literally 2 women [and their brothers and sisters] that I grew up with yet I had to tap dance my way into the voting booth when they didn’t have my married name in the register yet.

[and the [D] watcher is life long neighbor whom I live to spite]

;D


31 posted on 11/03/2012 9:21:02 PM PDT by Salamander (Wounded, old and dangerous.)
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To: annieokie
OK, now: The rolls only have so many voters, but if the machines record 3 to 1, that would be a major difficulty for them wouldn't it?

In a just world, yes.

In America?

No, it doesn't even raise legal eyebrows if hundreds more people vote in 17 wards than are registered.

32 posted on 11/03/2012 9:22:11 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1383 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: entropy12
Did you see my post #23?

Regarding: 3 votes for Obama 1 for Romney. If there are only say 25 voters on the rolls, and yet it shows up to be 60 votes for Obama and 5 for Romney, wouldn't that give them a real problem to have to explain?

Thank you for answering all my questions, I do appreciate your expertise. Going to bed now, (fall back you know), and await your answer for tomorrows viewing.

33 posted on 11/03/2012 9:28:49 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: null and void
Just DAMN!!!

How is it that our Republican officials WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING to stop this? It's not that they don't have the power.

They should hold up any election results, until every DAMNED one of those ballots can be verified, or demand a revote or have each voter submit an affidavit of how he voted. STOP all early voting and mail ins, except Military (who don't get to vote)..

Now we know why the Democrats and their pollsters know they are winning. Makes no difference what we think. I'm depressed now, going to bed. Sweet dreams all, if you can manage that in this nightmare.

34 posted on 11/03/2012 9:43:19 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: annieokie

*shrug* If I can’t sleep, you can’t sleep.

It’s only fair...

};^P>


35 posted on 11/03/2012 9:52:22 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1383 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: annieokie

I may know a bit about programming, but I am not an expert on variety of voting machines being used in various parts of the country. My guess is there are many different types.

Your point about 25 voters and 65 total votes is a valid one. However that is too obvious and I do not think that is the commonly used method of fraud.

If I was a democrat leaning technician/programmer in charge of voting machines in a district, and I wanted to commit voting fraud, I would not add many fictitious votes. I would instead, show on the screen your vote is for Romney but internally in electronics of the machine would switch every fourth vote for Romney to Obama. That would result in Obama gaining 25% of Romney’s votes. In many closely contested states that would be sufficient to change the results.

I am not in favor of voters marking paper ballots. Those are error prone. Remember Florida 2000 and the problems with punch cards manually recorded by voters or the butterfly ballots.

My preference is for voters using an electronic machine to record votes using an easy to read screen. After the voter is done, a paper sheet gets printed showing the votes. The voter can examine the paper and then deposit it in a ballot box. It is easier for poll watchers to keep track of a physical box rather than what is inside electronic memory of a voting machine.

These computer generated paper ballots will be free of reading errors by the paper scanner machine. And in case of a problem, they can be manually counted. The actual vote count will be done by a paper scanner in full view of poll watchers. If the result is suspiciously skewed, a manual count can be done.

May be all electronic machines have a paper trail. I just do not know, but have my doubts.


36 posted on 11/03/2012 10:14:56 PM PDT by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: stevem
What is always needed is the good guys getting enough votes to overwhelm that. I believe you will get that in most states on Tuesday.

Never, never underestimate the importance of GOTV. Call your county GOP and ask to volunteer.

37 posted on 11/03/2012 10:17:52 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: entropy12
Seems like it would be easy enough to write into the code.

Though I wonder, how easy would it be for another programmer to spot this in the code? And I wonder how easy/possible would it be for the bad guys to code it to do this for a length of time and then revert back to the legitimate code.

All very distressing to think about.

38 posted on 11/03/2012 10:20:07 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: sushiman

Half our politicians and people WANT illegals to vote, multiple voting and no vote record. That is he problem.

Half of Americans are third world.


39 posted on 11/03/2012 10:21:02 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Okay. Now I must ask. If they are clever enough to rig the machine, why would they make it obvious enough that the voter reports the error? Why not just satisfy the voter with a false verification of a Romney vote? I’m not diminishing the potential of voter fraud, but I do believe they would fly a little more under the radar, don’t you?


40 posted on 11/03/2012 10:47:23 PM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Right Brother

Yes. Because it throws a wrench into the system. They don’t just want power, they want to destroy the system and replace it with one they will own totally


41 posted on 11/03/2012 10:52:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I live in S. MS and have never had a machine screw up the vote. I guess us back-water folks ain’t nowheres as stoopid as many sez abouts us. Then again, we tend to be a Conservative bunch of folks - even Blacks have been spotted carrying Romney/Ryan yard signs and having the bumperstickers...Of course that just proves that we’re so dang racist it even rubs off on the Black population...


42 posted on 11/04/2012 4:05:27 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: thecodont
Never, never underestimate the importance of GOTV. Call your county GOP and ask to volunteer.

This is never a bad idea. I have on many occasions. I've held different positions in our BPOU and am currently a minor functionary.

43 posted on 11/04/2012 4:49:41 AM PST by stevem
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To: entropy12
Thank you so much for this insight.

As I said we in OK. do have paper ballots and run through a scanner. I don't remember ever getting a receipt after it is scanned. I think that would be a good thing.

Not much to worry about in OK. ad we are the only RED STATE so far. I think there will be many more this election.

Thank you again.

44 posted on 11/04/2012 8:30:02 AM PST by annieokie
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To: null and void
hahahahaha. I slept very well last night, got up early and at this again, lost an hour during the night, but Oh well., gain it back in the Spring.

Now go get some rest, it is about over and when ROMNEY WINS, WE WIN.

45 posted on 11/04/2012 8:32:31 AM PST by annieokie
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To: riri
And I wonder how easy/possible would it be for the bad guys to code it to do this for a length of time and then revert back to the legitimate code.

You hit it the problem on the head. All it takes is a few seconds for the crooked technician manning the machines to insert a USB or similar portable memory device and change the code to normal right after voting closes. Which is why the best method is for the machine to eject a printed version of your vote on a paper ballot, and only those ballots are the official count. They are easy to scan since they are neatly printed by a machine and not hand marked.
46 posted on 11/04/2012 10:28:54 AM PST by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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To: Right Brother

Or.....the crooks are such inept programmers, they can’t even hide the obvious.


47 posted on 11/04/2012 10:30:23 AM PST by entropy12 (The radical socialist from Chicago and Acorn lawyer must be defeated! VOTE him out!!)
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