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Is It Time to Stop Putting Food in Our Cars?
The American ^ | October 31, 2012 | Kenneth P. Green and Elizabeth DeMeo

Posted on 10/31/2012 9:53:29 PM PDT by neverdem

The ethanol mandate continues to do more harm than good — inflicting environmental damage, raising food prices, and distorting energy markets.

Two recent developments warrant a reexamination of the fuel ethanol issue.

First, on August 20, 2012, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued a call for comments on suspending the renewable fuel standard (RFS), sometimes known as the ethanol mandate:

EPA is seeking comment on letters requesting a waiver of the renewable fuel standard and matters relevant to EPA’s consideration of those requests. Governors of the states of Arkansas and North Carolina submitted separate requests for a waiver. Section 211(o)(7)(A) of the Clean Air Act allows the Administrator of the EPA to waive the national volume requirements of the renewable fuel standard program in whole or in part if implementation of those requirements would severely harm the economy or environment of a state, a region, or the United States, or if the Administrator determines that there is inadequate domestic supply of renewable fuel.

Second, though it has not played a feature role in the 2012 presidential election, both Governor Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama have weighed in on ethanol fuel, staking out different positions.

Our conclusions are that the ethanol mandate continues to do more harm than good — inflicting environmental damage, raising food prices, and distorting energy markets.

Ethanol and Food Prices

Projections estimate that by 2016, the United States will have diverted up to 43 percent of its cropland toward ethanol production. Since such land is normally used to harvest grain for feeding livestock, any diversions to ethanol production would require either changing the use of other land to growing grain or sharp increases in the cost of grain and meat. Given these ramifications, it is no surprise that a myriad of global organizations have opposed the biofuel mandate, including the World Trade Organization, Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), International Fund for Agricultural Development, International Monetary Fund, Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, UN Conference on Trade and Development, World Food Program, International Food Policy Research Institute, UN High Level Task Force, and the World Bank. In a recent opinion piece in the Financial Times, José Graziano da Silva, director-general of the FAO, also called for the suspension of biofuel use. He noted that “an immediate, temporary suspension of that [ethanol] mandate would give some respite to the market and allow more of the crop to be channeled towards food and feed uses.”

Ethanol and Gas Prices

Projections estimate that by 2016, the United States will have diverted up to 43 percent of its cropland toward ethanol production.

To offset the environmental harms listed above, many hope that ethanol will at least benefit the economy by helping to keep gas prices down. However, closer inspection reveals that this is yet another energy myth: ethanol will not shield us from high gasoline prices because, in a free market, the price of ethanol will be the same as gasoline, on an energy-equivalent basis — that is, the price of a gallon of ethanol should be around 66 percent of a gallon of gasoline, as it will take you the same distance when you drive on it. A 2008 report from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory confirms this fact: the report reviews five independent studies to assess the impact of ethanol blending on gasoline prices in the United States, and concludes that they all “overestimate the impact of the substitution effect on driver economics, because the reduced gasoline production costs do not translate fully into savings for end consumers.”

Environmental Impacts

Ethanol poses numerous environmental threats. One of the most serious is the overuse and destruction of land and water. According to scientists Jan Kreider and Peter Curtiss, refining a gallon of corn ethanol requires 35 gallons of water. But that is only the beginning. Kreider and Curtiss estimate that three times as much water is needed to grow the corn that yields a gallon of ethanol. That brings the tally to 140 gallons of water per gallon of corn ethanol produced. If their calculation is correct, the 5.4 million gallons of corn ethanol used in America in 2006 required the use of 760 million gallons of fresh water. Furthermore, note that these estimates are conservative by some more recent standards. As energy analyst Chris Nelder remarked:

Trying to find reliable data for on the water demand of U.S. corn ethanol production is a short path to utter insanity, with a ridiculously large range of estimates offered. After reviewing a dozen or so academic papers and other sources, I concluded that a 2010 study by the Argonne National Laboratory was in the right ballpark. It estimated that it takes 82 gallons of water on average to produce 1 gallon of ethanol in the regions responsible for 88 percent of U.S. corn production, where the vast majority of that water is used for irrigation. Multiplying that by the 800,000 barrels per day of ethanol production shown in last week’s IEA report suggests that the U.S. currently uses a little over one trillion gallons of water per year to make ethanol. But, as an indication of how widely divergent the estimates can be, a University of Minnesota study found that at the height of the ethanol boom in 2007, “approximately 9.6 trillion gallons of water were appropriated by the U.S. ethanol industry.”

In addition to overuse, ethanol production pollutes the water we do have: in “Water Implications of Biofuels Production in the United States,” the National Research Council points out that more corn raised for ethanol means more fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides in waterways; more low-oxygen “dead zones” from fertilizer runoff; and more local shortages in water for drinking and irrigation. Fertilizer runoff does not just pollute local waters, it creates other far-reaching environmental problems — destruction that is already evident in the Gulf of Mexico and the Chesapeake Bay. More is sure to come if we allow ethanol production to continue at its current pace.

Land is also threatened by ethanol production. In a Science article in February 2008, researchers calculated that producing 15 billion gallons of corn ethanol to meet U.S. ethanol goals would require the diversion of corn from 12.8 million hectares of U.S. cropland and would, in turn, bring 10.8 million hectares of additional land into cultivation. Locations would include 2.8 million hectares in Brazil, 2.3 million in China and India, and 2.2 million here in the United States. Current and future projections look similarly bleak: Brent Gloy, associate director of research at Purdue University's Center for Food and Agricultural Business, estimates that 20 million acres of U.S. land alone were used in 2011 to feed corn to ethanol plants. To remedy the problem, many scientists are now fixated on finding ways to get more out of available lands. Though such analysis is promising, we could get a lot further if we were to eliminate the root cause by killing the ethanol mandate.

Finally, there’s the issue of climate change. In issue briefs and media reports, ethanol is often pitched as a good solution to climate change because it re-circulates carbon in the atmosphere; that is, it’s “carbon-neutral.” However, there is more than one kind of greenhouse gas to consider.

When blended with gasoline, ethanol actually increases the formation of potent greenhouse gases more than gasoline does by itself. As far back as 1997, the U.S. Government Accountability Office determined that the ethanol production process:

produces relatively more nitrous oxide and other potent greenhouse gases [than does gasoline]. In contrast, the greenhouse gases released during the conventional gasoline fuel cycle contain relatively more of the less-potent type, namely, carbon dioxide.

In 2008, Paul Crutzen, a Nobel Prize–winning chemist, validated these findings. Further research only confirms the trend: in February 2008, researcher Timothy Searchinger and colleagues calculated that “corn-based” ethanol, instead of producing a 20 percent savings, nearly doubles greenhouse gas emissions over 30 years and increases greenhouse gases for 167 years.

Although the EPA claims a net decrease in greenhouse gas emissions from using ethanol, it recognizes that ethanol creates air pollutants. Ethanol use, according to the EPA, will increase the emission of chemicals that lead to the production of ozone, one of the nation’s most challenging local air pollutants. The Office of Transportation and Air Quality notes, “other vehicle emissions may increase as a result of greater renewable fuel use. Nationwide, EPA estimates an increase in total emissions of volatile organic compounds and nitrogen oxides (VOC + NOx) between 41,000 and 83,000 tons [due to increased use of ethanol].” Furthermore, areas that experience a substantial increase in ethanol may see an increase in VOC emissions between 4 and 5 percent and an increase in NOx emissions between 6 and 7 percent from gasoline-powered vehicles and equipment.

The Fiction of Cellulosics

Ethanol actually increases the formation of potent greenhouse gases more than gasoline does by itself.

Given the aforementioned environmental hurdles to producing corn-based ethanol, numerous researchers have proposed a shift to cellulosic ethanol feedstocks such as switchgrass. Though more difficult to ferment, the theoretical appeal of cellulosic feedstocks lies in their abundance, availability, and cheap cost relative to corn. In actuality, however, cellulosic-based ethanol fails to make good on this promise. One need only look at how the Energy Information Administration’s projections for cellulosic-based ethanol have changed to see that switchgrass and company cannot measure up to the scale of production offered by corn and other foodstuffs. Furthermore, many of the same environmental harms inherent in corn-based ethanol apply to cellulosic materials. For example, Searchinger and colleagues found in 2008 that biofuels from switchgrass, if grown on U.S. corn lands, increased greenhouse emissions by 50 percent. Similarly, land use projections remain bleak — Kreider and Curtiss estimate that switchgrass would require between 146 and 149 gallons of water per gallon of ethanol produced from cellulose, depending on the scale of production.

Despite the difficulty and danger involved in producing cellulosic biofuels, the EPA has continued to push them as corn-based ethanol’s eco-friendly cousins. Though it is one thing to lobby hard for cellulosics like switchgrass, it is another entirely to force oil companies to make the switch, as the EPA did earlier this year when it began fining companies for failing to include non-existent cellulosic biofuels in gasoline and diesel. In January, the New York Times reported:

When the companies that supply motor fuel close the books on 2011, they will pay about $6.8 million in penalties to the Treasury because they failed to mix a special type of biofuel into their gasoline and diesel as required by law. But there was none to be had. Outside a handful of laboratories and workshops, the ingredient, cellulosic biofuel, does not exist.

Charles T. Drevna, the president of the National Petrochemicals and Refiners Association, remarked that the EPA’s action “belies logic.”

Past Politics

Ethanol was initially touted by promoters as the solution to all our energy woes — dependence on foreign oil, diminishing oil stocks, and environmental consequences of energy use, to name a few. As recently as 2006, ethanol was thought by President George W. Bush to be:

good for our rural communities. It’s good economic development for rural America … Ethanol is good for the environment … good for drivers … Ethanol’s good for the whole country.

It was this mindset that pushed Bush to sign the RFS into law in 2007, which mandated 13 billion gallons of ethanol (equivalent to 5 billion bushels of corn) be used in gasoline in 2012 alone, scaling up to nearly 14 billion gallons by 2013.

During the 2008 presidential election, both Obama and John McCain expressed similar support for ethanol, though it’s worth noting that McCain was far later in coming to the ethanol game. On the eve of the Republican primary, candidate McCain appeared to have an epiphany regarding ethanol, changing his position to a strong endorsement of the substance while on the Iowa campaign trail. Given the swift and sudden nature of the shift, it is all but certain that McCain’s support for ethanol was not a sincere endorsement grounded in scientific reasoning, but rather a political ploy conceived to curry favor with the Corn Belt crowd.

Obama’s Stance

The president, it should be noted, “has been a strong believer in ethanol.” Lest there be any doubt regarding Obama’s feelings for this powerful fuel, his traveling press secretary Jennifer Psaki put them to rest during the president’s recent trip to Iowa. When it comes to ethanol, she assured voters, “He absolutely believes in it.”

Given the recent problems that have cropped up around the government’s ethanol mandate, including rising food prices, drought, and a laundry list of waiver requests from ranchers and state governors, one might be curious as to why Obama is choosing this moment to so strongly support the mandate. Might it have anything to do with the fact that ethanol is a vital source of jobs in Iowa and other critical swing states in the November 6 election?

According to Psaki, the answer is (at least partially) yes: “he thinks it’s a driver of the economy here [in Iowa] and a key component of renewable energy.”

Given the numerous dangers of ethanol production outlined above, it is worth examining more closely how Obama and other politicians have responded to the ethanol mandate.

Romney’s Position

Although Romney has also expressed support for the ethanol mandate, he has not gone out of his way to offer particulars on his position. In his recently released white paper on energy independence, Romney only briefly mentions that he will maintain the mandate, proclaiming that his administration will:

Support increased market penetration and competition among energy sources by maintaining the RFS and eliminating regulatory barriers to a diversification of the electrical grid, fuel system, or vehicle fleet.

Note that Romney is particularly ambiguous on the details of how he will “maintain” the mandate, failing to include information about funding, an implementation structure, or even a timeline. And although Romney proclaimed during a May 2011 visit to Iowa, “I support the subsidy of ethanol. I believe ethanol is an important part of our energy solution for this country,” his spokeswoman Andrea Saul clarified last year that Romney “supports ethanol but … doesn’t believe any subsidy is permanent.”

If their calculation is correct, the 5.4 million gallons of corn ethanol used in America in 2006 required the use of 760 million gallons of fresh water.

Given his lack of details on the RFS, it seems that the Romney camp may be taking a page from McCain’s campaign playbook. In keeping his plans for the ethanol mandate under wraps, Romney gives himself the option to use the mandate as a bargaining chip, tweaking and refining his position to be the most politically viable at any given moment. For now, at least, the ethanol industry favors Romney’s position. In a recent statement, Bob Dinneen, the CEO of the Renewable Fuels Association, explained: “by working to remove barriers to market access for renewable fuels, as Governor Romney suggests, America can help spur an economic recovery while securing our energy future.”

What’s Next?

Only time will tell just how much harm the ethanol mandate might do to the environment. At the moment, all we can do is consider the evidence at hand. We now know that ethanol — whether derived from corn or switchgrass — has not only failed to live up to the hype, but will do America more harm than good as it continues wreaking havoc on our air, land, and sea, not to mention our wallets. It has yet to alleviate higher gas prices.

Perhaps Romney or Obama will have the courage to step up and tackle America’s ethanol problem in the way it should be solved: by having an open discussion, regardless of the political implications of the truth, about ethanol’s many costs and few benefits. Such a discussion will surely make the right course of action — to kill the mandate immediately — quite clear. For now, it is worth noting that a bright spot does exist: Romney’s running mate, Paul Ryan, has been quite vocal about his support for killing the ethanol mandate.

Kenneth P. Green is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, where Elizabeth DeMeo is a research assistant.

FURTHER READING: Green and DeMeo also coauthor “Presidential Power: Obama vs. Romney on Energy.” Green writes “Energy Is Everywhere” and “Subsidy-Powered Vehicles.” Aaron Smith contributes “Children of the Corn: The Renewable Fuels Disaster.” Mark J. Perry says “Gas Prices Are Complex, But Not Mysterious.” Christopher R. Knittel discusses “Corn Belt Moonshine: The Costs and Benefits of U.S. Ethanol Subsidies.”

Image by Darren Wamboldt / Bergman Group



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biofuel; cornethanol; science; technology

1 posted on 10/31/2012 9:53:38 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

We don’t burn food. We burn starch from corn. Proteins(which is food) are returned to the market.


2 posted on 10/31/2012 9:58:08 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: neverdem

all I know is that 5 years ago I could by a pound of grits for $.87 and it would last about a week and a half.

Now I pay almost 2 bucks for the same amount.

I utterly refuse to purchase ethanol laced gas. There are 2 places in my town that sell ethanol free fuel. I buy it exclusively. I get about 15% better fuel mileage which actually is a little better on my wallet than the cheaper, fuel pump killing, water laden , ethanol fuel that the Washington dweebs want me to use.

I swear , I hate our federal govt. with all my being. You will know Romney is getting right if after about 3 yrs I am not complaining to high heaven about our overbearing feds.


3 posted on 10/31/2012 10:04:20 PM PDT by ping jockey (Candy Crowley IS A DUMBASS)
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To: cornfedcowboy

you are on the govt. dole every bit as much as an urban welfare recipient. The very idea that our farmers complain about the welfare system on one hand while receiving HUGE subsidies to grow “gas” makes me want to hurl.

IF THE GOVT. IS “GIVING” YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU DID NOT EARN SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE HAS TO PAY FOR IT. IF THAT SOMEBODY IS NOT YOU IT IS WELFARE!!!!


4 posted on 10/31/2012 10:10:25 PM PDT by ping jockey (Candy Crowley IS A DUMBASS)
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To: cornfedcowboy; neverdem

I’m not a proponent of subsidies, but what all the anti-ethanol people miss is that:

The corn being used is not human food, it’s animal feedstock.

Done right, the dried distiller’s grains (DDS) or wet distiller’s grains (WDS) are returned as livestock feed, minus the starches and sugars, providing a high-protein feedlot component.

There are symbiotic relationships with the distillers where corn and stover is processed, DDS and WDS are returned to feedlots, manure is recycled to generate methane to fire the plant and then spent manure is returned to cornfield or pastures.

pretty damn green closed-loop recycling if you ask me. Let it compete, the market will tell the tale. Don’t listen to just the city version.


5 posted on 10/31/2012 10:16:50 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: cornfedcowboy

Thank you for adding some sanity to what always turns into a silly discussion of this issue on FR.

Those who don’t understand this, go read up on DDGS. One plant a few miles down the road from me converts the residual corn protein into a high-value pig feed that is now mostly exported — to CHINA — where pork is the #1 meat.

There IS one problem with this industry and that is the RFS, which is how the gov’t creates artificial demand by mandating the use of certain fuels. Get the gov’t nose out of private business, let the market decide and everyone will be better off. Because of gov’t mandates for biodiesel, millions of dollars was invested in plants that are now idle, because there is no sustainable, affordable feedstock that is competitive with petrodiesel. These plants were built (and the capital wasted) because some bureaucrat, rather than market forces, decided how much biodiesel should be used every year. It’s no different than Big Bird and Planned Parenthood - get the gov’t of things they have no business being involved with.


6 posted on 10/31/2012 10:18:51 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: ping jockey

where did you go GOVT cornfedcowboy. To much truth to digest in one sitting?


7 posted on 10/31/2012 10:53:37 PM PDT by ping jockey (I would rather die a free christian than live , enslaved, and separated from my GOD.)
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To: One Name

O.K. so why are we STILL subsidizing this fantastic idea. If it is such a great prospect then why do I have to pay the farmer to grow the corn, pay the refiner to make the ethanol and then BUY THE DAMNED ETHANOL LACED GAS FOR 3.50 plus a gallon.

Stop the subsidies and see what happens. We don’t have to run the stupid , ineffecient water laced , crap, in our cars.


8 posted on 10/31/2012 10:58:39 PM PDT by ping jockey (I would rather die a free christian than live , enslaved, and separated from my GOD.)
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To: One Name

‘The corn being used is not human food, it’s animal feedstock”

You are correct. Of course the fact that the field it is grown in could be growing food seems to be a dose of common sense you overlooked.


9 posted on 10/31/2012 11:01:46 PM PDT by ping jockey (I would rather die a free christian than live , enslaved, and separated from my GOD.)
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To: ping jockey; sickoflibs
evidently we just need to *invest* more in corn/bio and see it thru to the utopia that saves our energy reserves, livestock and auto industry...

thats the only reason to that feed prices have doubled, fuel prices have doubled, and land devoted to corn has doubled locally...

not to mention the end use cost of beef and the diminished life of all the vehicles/equipment that are rotting from the inside due to watered fuel...

10 posted on 11/01/2012 3:34:44 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: neverdem

there is no doubt that ethanol is good economically
for the people of the US.

for people who around the world who earn 2 dollars a day,
fuel ethanol in the US is not a good deal.

who should I have concern for?


11 posted on 11/01/2012 6:00:07 AM PDT by RockyTx
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To: neverdem

Why are the Democrats and some Republicans in Congress starving to death the worlds poorest people so their buddies in the ethanol corporate business can line their pockets with money?


12 posted on 11/01/2012 7:27:15 AM PDT by jacob allen
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To: RockyTx
there is no doubt that ethanol is good economically for the people of the US.

There is no doubt that ethanol is good economically for some people in the US. It's called crony capitalism. Subsidies distort free markets.

for people who around the world who earn 2 dollars a day, fuel ethanol in the US is not a good deal.

Hungry people tend to be problematic, e.g. the Arab Spring in Egypt.

who should I have concern for?

I usually go with family and friends first, then my country.

13 posted on 11/01/2012 10:44:04 AM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: ping jockey

I’ll probably hate myself for asking, but just which HUGE siubsidies are you referring to?


14 posted on 11/01/2012 10:49:15 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: neverdem
It was never time to START putting food in our cars !

Well, 'cept for double cheezburgers, fries, vanilla shakes, etc   ;-)

15 posted on 11/01/2012 10:51:06 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Mr. Lucky

Well blow me down. The 6 billion dollar per year, 30 yr old corn/ethanol subsidy got shut down by congress on Jan. 3 of this year. I guess in my extreme Obama stupor I missed this happy little tidbit. Thanks for the wake up smack.


16 posted on 11/01/2012 2:44:07 PM PDT by ping jockey (I would rather die a free christian than live , enslaved, and separated from my GOD.)
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To: ping jockey
The 6 billion dollar per year, 30 yr old corn/ethanol subsidy got shut down by congress on Jan. 3 of this year. I guess in my extreme Obama stupor I missed this happy little tidbit.

The subsidy died. Praise God.

But, unfortunately, the mandate didn't. Indeed, the EPA wants to boost the ethanol mandate from 10% to 15%.

So, you'll still get your ration of ethanol. You just have to pay more for it at the pump.

17 posted on 11/01/2012 2:55:44 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: ping jockey

First-”I’m not a proponent of subsidies”

Second- What would you grow in that field? Sweet Corn? Turnips? Oh yeah, “food for people”.

The market place apparently wants meat, and has plenty of sweetcorn and turnips.

No farmer I know is receiving any subsidies to grow grains at the current price structure; LCP, countercyclical payments, etc. There is an ethanol subsidy for fuel producers- it needs to go away.

Common sense is somethings farmers tend to exercise when they put their pencil to the paper and decide whether to plant feed corn or turnips.


18 posted on 11/01/2012 6:48:19 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: One Name

Good, eliminate the mandate and let the market decide. A mandate that forces unionism is just as bad as a mandate that forces you to use one product over the other. There are few justifiable government mandates. It’s simply crony capitalism.


19 posted on 11/03/2012 3:56:59 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: One Name

You’re gonna confuse’m with the truth


20 posted on 11/03/2012 4:01:47 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: RockyTx

>> “there is no doubt that ethanol is good economically
for the people of the US.” <<

.
That may be your opinion, but the evidence is shouting the opposite.

We have little use for ethanol, outside of getting soused at happy hour.


21 posted on 11/03/2012 2:04:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: 1010RD; piroque

No argument about the subsidies for ethanol.

I’m not ready to argue this right now, but the price supports for grains, wool, etc., as well as the federal farm loan programs and crop insurance underwriting I believe derive from various crises (the Dust Bowl and Great Depression chief among them) at which point it was decided that food production was indeed of interest to the national security.

Most of us agree that matters directly related to our being able to continue as a going concern are fodder for intervention; where you draw that line is a whole ‘nother thing.

I’m weaning this year’s calf crop right now and the cacophonous call-and-response is fairly deafening with the house closed and TV turned up. Not a dime of subsidies, no hormones or medicated feed. Just grass and momma’s milk.

No turnips or sweet corn, here (other than the garden). Doesn’t pencil out.


22 posted on 11/04/2012 7:08:12 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: One Name

Agreeing with you, I’M a farmer . row crop and a few cows, feed the (wet distiller’s grains (WDS)). It’s makes a higher quality feed than the dry corn .


23 posted on 11/05/2012 1:35:57 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: piroque

Lotta experts out there trying to tell everyone what’s best.

Most are semi-clueless at best.

WDS sounds like a good deal if you can get it in useable amounts when you need it. keeps better than I thought it would ( we took a load or two at the prison where I work)

If I could get it right I would feed a few head out. As it is I sell calves and buy chicken or pork these days. The days of $1.80 corn out of the field are long gone.


24 posted on 11/05/2012 8:30:16 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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