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Obama Is In The Midst Of A Free-Fall Collapse In Michigan
Business Insider ^ | 10/31/2012 | Brett LoGiurato

Posted on 10/31/2012 7:27:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

President Barack Obama has seen a once-steady lead in Michigan decline to just 2 points in a recent poll, and Michigan has been thrown into "toss-up" status in the election's final week.

The poll, from The Detroit News, finds Obama leading Republican rival Mitt Romney, 47.7 percent to 45 percent. That's the second poll in a week that has shown an increasingly tight race in the state, including a Foster McCollum White Baydoun poll that showed the race virtually tied. And it comes as a pro-Romney super PAC, American Crossroads, includes Michigan in its $50 million, final-week ad buy.

Intriguingly, when comparing the Michigan poll to a new poll of Ohio released today, it shows that the race in Michigan is actually closer.

The key points in the new poll:

* What's pushing Romney to a virtual statistical tie in the state is his clear advantage on trust in handling the economy. He leads the president, 47-44, on the crucial issue, even in a state dominated by the auto industry.

* Compared with September, men have shifted 5 points more toward Romney.

* What's keeping Obama afloat: His advantage in connecting with voters who think he "understands their values." Forty-eight percent identified with Obama on that question, compared with just 43 percent for Romney.

* Obama also has a significant, 8-point advantage on handling foreign affairs.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; elections; mi2012; michigan; obama; romney
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1 posted on 10/31/2012 7:27:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

But Obama is still going to win Ohio. /s

Please, if MICHIGAN is collapsing, then Ohio was sewn up some time ago. Now it’s all about humiliating Obama as much as possible.


2 posted on 10/31/2012 7:29:01 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: SeekAndFind

El bumpo grande!


3 posted on 10/31/2012 7:29:01 AM PDT by IbJensen ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 1)
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To: SeekAndFind

On Tuesday the unions and the union voters have a chance to decide whether to put union or Country first. I pray they make the right choice.


4 posted on 10/31/2012 7:31:12 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ( For AMERICA's sake: Vote for the Mormon, NOT the muslim; The Capitalist, NOT the Communist! FUBO!)
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To: SeekAndFind; Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
I attribute it to the long term shift in Michigan. Aside from the "historic" election of a black man, democrat wins in Michigan have been getting narrower over the past decade. After all, Kerry only defeated Bush by around 4% in 04 and even that was questionable considering what went on in Detroit. Today we have tougher voting laws, a tougher SOS, and a tougher AG. Growing anger at the public sector unions also contributes.

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5 posted on 10/31/2012 7:34:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Final curtain for Stabenow and the Levin brothers as well.


6 posted on 10/31/2012 7:38:56 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I find it comical that the Dems are deriding Romney’s foray into democrat strongholds as an act of “desperation,” of course without addressing the fact the darkside sees it necessary to send Biden and Clinton there as well to counter it. If they’re so confident, why bother?


7 posted on 10/31/2012 7:40:20 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Recordhighturnoutisourhopeforsending0bamahome.Prayhard!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Michigan has a huge Islamic population and freeloader population. Hard to believe it would be at risk for hussein.


8 posted on 10/31/2012 7:40:33 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: SeekAndFind

9 posted on 10/31/2012 7:41:18 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (2008 + IN, NE1, NC, FL, VA, OH, CO, IA, NH = 285EV)
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To: equaviator
Final curtain for Stabenow and the Levin brothers as well.

I wouldn't go that far, since Stabenow has a huge lead vs. Hoekstra, but if Romney can snag MI, it's a huge "get."

10 posted on 10/31/2012 7:41:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Recordhighturnoutisourhopeforsending0bamahome.Prayhard!!!)
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To: equaviator
Stabenow.

"Yes, She Did."
11 posted on 10/31/2012 7:42:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Obama's numbers ARE NOT IN COLLAPSE.

It's just that the polling outfits are forced to dump their fictitious numbers, and report the real numbers, in the week before the election. If the actual election results come out much different from what they predicted, they will lose all shreds of credibility,

12 posted on 10/31/2012 7:45:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: crosshairs
Michigan has a huge Islamic population .

About 1% give or take a fraction or two. You'll find far larger muslim populations in NY, NJ, California, and Minnesota.
13 posted on 10/31/2012 7:46:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: PapaBear3625
It's just that the polling outfits are forced to dump their fictitious numbers, and report the real numbers, in the week before the election. If the actual election results come out much different from what they predicted, they will lose all shreds of credibility,

Which is hilarious, because in using fake numbers to prop up Obama earlier, they actually make it look like Romney is surging late in the election.
14 posted on 10/31/2012 7:47:44 AM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: crosshairs
Michigan has a huge Islamic population

No it does not.

and freeloader population

That is true.

15 posted on 10/31/2012 7:47:47 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: SeekAndFind

If MI goes then it’s electoral landslide. Very skeptical, but intrigued if it’s that close. Certainly winning MI would be a big giant cherry on top of the sundae. A big F.U. to Obama’s GM takeover and Chrysler give-a-way.


16 posted on 10/31/2012 7:51:44 AM PDT by The Hound Passer
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To: Darren McCarty

A while back I was reading about Michigan’s “Huge muslim population” and the writer pointed out that we have a huge arab population that lives with the perception that they’re muslim. The reality is that most of the middle easterners in Michigan are Chaldean or Copts.


17 posted on 10/31/2012 7:58:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: The Hound Passer

yep... you travel outside of Detroit and with the exception of Ann Arbor ( U of M ) you hit the reddist of all red American counties.. Travel up to any town in Michigan, away from Detroit, and it’s solid Red.

are those lazy corrupt good for nothings in the city of Detroit going to vote? I think not.

but the unions, they only vote for their own paycheck and that is a huge problem. those Unions have Detroit locked up.. Try even driving a foreign car in Detroit. It will get keyed or worse. I know. It’s happened to me twice, in visiting my relatives.

One can hope and pray for a miracle in Michigan, but like California, I fear it may be too late.


18 posted on 10/31/2012 7:58:42 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: PapaBear3625
If the actual election results come out much different from what they predicted, they will lose all shreds of credibility,

Given the amount of over sampling of Demoncrats, how much do they really have left?

19 posted on 10/31/2012 7:59:44 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Obama’s numbers ARE NOT IN COLLAPSE.
It’s just that the polling outfits are forced to dump their fictitious numbers, and report the real numbers, in the week before the election.


But it is fun telling the Obamatrons that Obama is in collapse. Psy-Ops , you know.


20 posted on 10/31/2012 8:03:22 AM PDT by AlexisHeavyMetal1981 (Like someone had posted the other day: OBAMA. BYE. DONE.)
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To: Springman
Hopefully you can send Osama packing back to Kenya or wherever he's from.
21 posted on 10/31/2012 8:04:21 AM PDT by McGruff (Obama lied. Heroes died.)
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To: Chuzzlewit

You have no idea how angry the people of Michigan are at the public sector unions at this point. They’re fighting between public and private sector unions and fighting within factions inside both. For that matter I have plenty of union member neighbors who are staunch conservatives just like I was when I was a member.


22 posted on 10/31/2012 8:07:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

It’s looking very good for our side. One third of union households are voting against it.

See results of the poll and internals here:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/blob/view/-/17202258/data/1/-/15knpck/-/Michigan-survey-results.pdf

Proposal 1: Emergency Manager
45.0% - 39.5%
+5.5% change from last poll

Proposal 2: Collective Bargaining
36.3% - 52.5%
-16.2% change from last poll

Proposal 3: Renewable Energy
32.7% - 57.0%
-24.3% change from last poll

Proposal 4: Home Health Care
39.7% - 47.7%
-8.0% change from last poll

Proposal 5: Tax Limitation
33.3% - 54.0%
-20.7% change from last poll

Proposal 6: International Bridge
36.8% - 51.8%
-15.0% change from last poll


23 posted on 10/31/2012 8:14:07 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: PapaBear3625

Obama’s numbers ARE NOT IN COLLAPSE.
It’s just that the polling outfits are forced to dump their fictitious numbers, and report the real numbers, in the week before the election.


But it is fun telling Obamatrons, who don’t know the truth about polling outfits fudging numbers until the last week, that Obama is in collapse. I like watching libs’ heads explode. Psy-Ops , you know.


24 posted on 10/31/2012 8:17:02 AM PDT by AlexisHeavyMetal1981 (Like someone had posted the other day: OBAMA. BYE. DONE.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

According to the poll:

PROPOSAL 1 HAS CHANCE OF PASSAGE; SUPPORT FOR PROPOSAS 2-6 COLLAPSES


25 posted on 10/31/2012 8:17:06 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: The Hound Passer; All

26 posted on 10/31/2012 8:17:51 AM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Darren McCarty

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/zieve/070111


27 posted on 10/31/2012 8:22:27 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: cripplecreek

There’s a large number of Lebanese Christians, who have been in Michigan since the early 1900’s as well. Spence Abraham was one of the more well known.


28 posted on 10/31/2012 8:27:13 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: ScottinVA

If my exhuberance is irrational then fine but please excuse my wishing it could be so.


29 posted on 10/31/2012 8:27:16 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No way this is true. If it was, the entire Dem party would be campaigning in Michigan now. So would Romney. This is just fluff. Don’t listen to what the pollsters say or the surrogates for the candidates, instead watch where they go this last few days. Romney in FL is worrisome isn’t it?


30 posted on 10/31/2012 8:29:32 AM PDT by Hattie
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To: cripplecreek

Yep. Detroit has a huge Arab population but the majority of them are Christians (Iraqi Chaldeans mostly)


31 posted on 10/31/2012 8:30:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

I suspect Prop 2 will bring out the union vote and skew things to Obama. I hope that the anti Prop 2 forces are strong enough to defeat both Prop 2 and Obama!


32 posted on 10/31/2012 8:31:32 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Darren McCarty

He’s a scumbag but Matty Maroun is a Lebanese Christian.


33 posted on 10/31/2012 8:32:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ScottinVA

“I find it comical that the Dems are deriding Romney’s foray into democrat strongholds as an act of “desperation,”

It is especially comical after the Dems have claimed for years that Republicans don’t chase the dem voters because we are racists and homophobes. Now that Romney and team are making inroads, then it is called desparation.


34 posted on 10/31/2012 8:35:21 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: cripplecreek

Wayne county doesn’t have the pull it once had, an influx of eastern europeans who can spot communism a mile away, and an electorate tired of living in their second lost decade, have about had enough. Maybe Michigan can regain its title of industrial powerhouse, hopefully.


35 posted on 10/31/2012 8:38:57 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Walkingfeather
Like Alan Keyes, the rest of "renew America" needs to get its facts straight.

Michigan is about 1% Muslim. 1%. This isn't Paris, Malmo, or Rotterdam. This writer equates Middle Easterner with Arab (not necessarily true) and with Muslim (even less true), and that's her mistake.

Hamtramck is probably now the Muslim capital of Michigan. Mostly Albanian and Pakistani/Bangledeshi along with some blacks (mostly Protestant). A large number of the Poles have emptied out. It's got about 22,000 people left.

Dearborn, a mid-size city of under 100,000, is still majority white ethnic. Polish/Italian/Irish. It is about 1/3 to 40% Middle Eastern, and that includes Middle Eastern Christians which are by far the majority in Michigan.

36 posted on 10/31/2012 8:43:06 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: cripplecreek
Cripplecreek ?

Here is a idea for a political sign or slogan there in Michigan.


Practice Safe Voting.
Use Protection.
Read up on Benghazi before you vote.



Oh yeah ? in Florida Joe Biden said to some woman that the greatest civil rights issue of our time is the transsexual/ gay issues....
37 posted on 10/31/2012 8:45:08 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Smokeyblue

Thank you for that link. The results for the Proposals are mostly encouraging. I needed that....


38 posted on 10/31/2012 8:47:28 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM
I suspect Prop 2 will bring out the union vote and skew things to Obama.

I wouldn't count on it. That's a public sector thing and they only make up a few percent of the population and they're getting hammered for all the lying and deception.

'Protect Working Families' Lists Proposal 2 Business Supporters Without Their Knowledge

Union Member Says Proposal 2 is an 'Over-Reaching Power Grab'

Infighting at the SEIU (prop 4)
39 posted on 10/31/2012 8:47:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

I worked in Detroit for two years shortly after 9/11/01, with engineers from all over the middle east, including Iraqi Christians, Maronites, Indians, Africans, and a lot of moslems. I got the clear impression that a lot of Arabs and other middle easterners, REALLY do not like blacks. After one particular meeting, a Nigerian left the room and the two engineers (Indian and Iraqi) were merciless in their comments.

Moslem/Arab may not equal pro-Obama.


40 posted on 10/31/2012 8:49:51 AM PDT by far sider
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To: cripplecreek

I hope you are right! I seem to be in an area that is very supportive of it, at least according to the number of signs and the general conversations I keep hearing and having. I continually try to clear up the confusion that the Pro side is purposely creating with their lies, but it is a very task to combat ignorance!

Thank you for the encouraging feedback.


41 posted on 10/31/2012 8:53:35 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: factoryrat
Things aren't looking so good for democrats in Michigan these days. They don't appear to be putting much effort into picking up new seats and are mostly struggling to hold the ones they have.

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And remember, Rob Steele is running for a seat on the U of M board of regents.
42 posted on 10/31/2012 8:53:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Darren McCarty
There’s a large number of Lebanese Christians, who have been in Michigan since the early 1900’s as well. Spence Abraham was one of the more well known.

Danny Thomas was probably the very best-known.

There is an area near where I live in Pittsburgh that has a lot of Maronite Christians from Syria and Lebanon (their church is here). Lately you see a few Muslims trickling in too. Probably because it is close to Middle Eastern grocers, etc.


43 posted on 10/31/2012 8:58:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cripplecreek

He’s the real life version of Joe Pesci’s “The Super.”


44 posted on 10/31/2012 9:02:57 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: Darren McCarty
I found this letter from Matty Maroun to Kwame Kilpatrick's wife through the Detroit news a while back. The enclosed was a check for $50,000.

pdf letter to Carlita Kilpatrick

My heart strings are tugged when I think of the storm your family has weathered........
45 posted on 10/31/2012 9:10:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Lets not forget Jamie Farr (Klinger)


46 posted on 10/31/2012 9:12:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

mmmmn, that’s good sarcasm!


47 posted on 10/31/2012 9:15:42 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

#4

I’m union and I’ll be voting for my country first!
(And that doesn’t mean Obama!)


48 posted on 10/31/2012 9:20:43 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: McGruff

Rush is talking about this poll right now. Hope we can also, I would like to find a new job, 6PM to 4:30AM stinks.


49 posted on 10/31/2012 9:20:56 AM PDT by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123, Bahbah, and Just Lori.)
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To: cripplecreek
Lets not forget Jamie Farr (Klinger)

He's from Toledo. Close enough I guess. Most other Ohioans consider it a part of Michigan anyhow.


50 posted on 10/31/2012 9:23:17 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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