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To: Gaffer; All

Unfortunately failure to send correct assets is and equal politician flaw. My son was in Gulf War I, in Saudi Arabia a week after the Kuwait invasion by SH. He was there 8 months and took part in the assault into Iraq. In December 2002 I asked him how many troops he felt should be sent in by Bush. He said 450,000. At the time Shinsecki was in the process of being fired for arguing we should have over 300,000. Then after a year of a big mess in Iraq, Bremmer said we should have had 1/2 million. Siiigh!!

Now that my son is in Afghanistan AGAIN (spent 8 months there in 2006), I am really pixxed that we didn’t finish the job in Afghanistan instead of the Iraq side trip.

All politicians have their own agenda. We know Obama’s, but I fear that Romney is too eager to bloody the nose of Russia (”our number one enemy”) and Iran. My son has two years to go on his 20, and I pray he makes it out in one piece.

I also favor keeping a strong military, but while I worry about what some demobilization will do to employment figures, a also worry about what political overspending will do to the economy and paying down the debt. To say that I am between Iraq and a hard place is an understandment.


50 posted on 10/28/2012 9:50:18 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

You should vote for Obama then.


54 posted on 10/28/2012 9:53:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: gleeaikin
God bless you and your Son, I thank him for his service. Unfortunately, you have been misled by the disinformation campaigns of the New Left (let's abbreviate it NLDC).

In order to understand what the New Left is, you will have to start googling the phrase "New Left" and researching, following links and reading.

Unfortunately failure to send correct assets is and equal politician flaw. My son was in Gulf War I, in Saudi Arabia a week after the Kuwait invasion by SH. He was there 8 months and took part in the assault into Iraq. In December 2002 I asked him how many troops he felt should be sent in by Bush. He said 450,000. At the time Shinsecki was in the process of being fired for arguing we should have over 300,000. Then after a year of a big mess in Iraq, Bremmer said we should have had 1/2 million. Siiigh!!

Look the loss ratio, that is key: America kicked Iraq's @ss. Part of the NLDC is to get America to back down, second guess themselves, worry about spending too much, worry about potential lives lost.

Now that my son is in Afghanistan AGAIN (spent 8 months there in 2006), I am really pixxed that we didn’t finish the job in Afghanistan instead of the Iraq side trip.

Think about that nation - it is too backward to have military targets other than individual Taliban for the most parts. We ran out of bombardment targets quickly. The Taliban and associated groups can move from country to country. Unless they were completely eradicated, they will always come back; they have modern weapons and are determined, agressive and tricky, and Afghanistan is a big country with places to hide. The Afghan people are all muslims, but perhaps would be ambivolent to foreigners because they are so simple. They do not have the concept of rule of law that Western Civilization has so Afghanistan will never be "safe" for Westerners. The trouble is we can train them to be able to keep out foreign fighters by giving them modern ideas and military techniques, but at the end of the day, revolutionary ideas are pushed into societies by NLDP anyway - after all, they've invaded America as well. They actually need the Gospel more than anything else.

All politicians have their own agenda. We know Obama’s, but I fear that Romney is too eager to bloody the nose of Russia (”our number one enemy”) and Iran. My son has two years to go on his 20, and I pray he makes it out in one piece.

God bless your son and thank him again for his service. The core of Russian leadership continues to oppose us in most every country, as does islam, and that war is fought in seemingly senseless places and very often through proxies. This has been the pattern for decades. It's complex to say the least. Without a doubt, having a man in the WH is who is part of the New Left is much more dangerous than having someone who is not. We just have to remember that the New Left and globalist, intellectual elites comprise thousands of what are called NGO's or non-governmental organizations. All over the world they are actually influencing governments and operating with virtually no awareness by the general public, whose votes are nowhere near as influential as the NGO influence operations. Most of these organizations are permeated by the New Left.

Here is a post to get you started.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2951258/posts

If you look at who the players, you will see that the revolution was externally manufactured and the revolutionaries themselves are mere pawns. This has been the case with numerous revolutions over the past 20 years that came and went so quickly in the U.S. news cycle that hardly anyone knows or cares about them.

Also, be sure to visit

http://www.cfr.org/

Be sure to look at the About section, look for lists of names for boards of directors, leadership and members. You'll see that there is contact and shared interests between governments and big business. While the U.S. has a huge influence, business interests and "causes" tend to span national boudaries in the realm of bodies like cfr. Most often such NGO's are started with good intentions but go horribly wrong as their arrogance blinds them to their immorality and wrongness.

CFR is one of the most influential policy-making institutions in terms of foreign policy, but there are literally thousands of these unelected NGOs pursing globalist, elitist interests around the globe. Notice their agendas. Also, you will note that they are firmly embedded into the U.S. political landscape.

I give all this information in the hope that you will learn more about what is going on behind the scenes and that knowledge might give you comfort as well as a call to spread the truth to those in the military who are not aware of the ultimately anti-American New Left and how it has permeated the Democratic party and much of American society.
90 posted on 10/28/2012 1:17:01 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: gleeaikin

Iraq was not a “side trip” ... Iraq via Iran was where al Qaeda active leadership went after Tora Bora, and even before. Iraq was where we Abu Nidal was, and he had attacked the US before. Iraq was where the perp in charge of the WTC bombing of 1993 was. Iraq was where some of those involved in the bombing of the USS Cole were caught. And Iraq was where Zawahiri was, and he was the guy involved in numerous things, including the millennium plot to blow up the LAX airport, blow up Us facilities in Jordan and was the guy who assassinated US Aid official Lawrence Foley a year before the war.


100 posted on 10/28/2012 3:25:44 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: gleeaikin

Iraq was a haven and sanctuary for the terrorists in Afghanistan, treating their wounded and assisting in the fight in many ways. It also had WMDs which were moved into Syria according to top Iraqi Air Force officers.

Saddam had to go.

If you want to blame someone for too small forces, then blame the Democrats who harassed and fought Bush every step of the way and the Treason Media which spread lie after lie supporting the RATs and suppressed information showing Bush was correct.

How many stories in the Treason media were there about the secret nuclear weapons research program which Saddam was running in Libya? NO one knew about this until Kadaffi gave it up (as well as all his WMB programs) after we invaded Iraq.

In point of fact, we needed a different KIND of army in Iraqi, not more of the same. We were not fighting large conventional armies for long.


110 posted on 10/28/2012 7:51:59 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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