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French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms
The Washington Post ^ | OCTOBER 15 2012 | Valerie Strauss

Posted on 10/16/2012 2:26:08 AM PDT by Cincinna

French President Francois Hollande has said he will end homework as part of a series of reforms to overhaul the country’s education system.

And the reason he wants to ban homework?

 He doesn’t think it is fair that some kids get help from their parents at home while children who come from disadvantaged families don’t. It’s an issue that goes well beyond France, and has been part of the reason that some Americans oppose homework too.

Hollande’s reform plans include increasing the number of teachers, moving the school week from four days to 4 1/2 days, overhauling the curriculum and taking steps to cut down on absenteeism.

"Education is priority," Hollande was quoted as saying by France24.com at Paris's Sorbonne University last week. "An education program is, by definition, a societal program. Work should be done at school, rather than at home," as a way to ensure that students who have no help at home are not disadvantaged.

Despite the four-day school week, elementary school children in France spend more hours a year in school than many other developed countries because students are there all day, starting at 8:30 a.m. and ending at 4:30 p.m., with some kids staying even later.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: education; france; hollande; homework
Four day school week, no homework. It just isn't fair that some kids have involved parents who supervise their homework. These people are nuts!

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1 posted on 10/16/2012 2:26:16 AM PDT by Cincinna
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To: Cincinna

Everyone must be equally ignorant, it’s only fair!


2 posted on 10/16/2012 2:29:34 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Cincinna

If you cannot bring the savage immigrant hordes up to the level of the French, than you must knock the French children down to the level of the immigrant, uneducable invading hordes!

This is insane!

The end of France.


3 posted on 10/16/2012 2:30:38 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Cincinna

In the USA, we have ‘race-norming’, another brilliant innovation of left-wing academia whereby a black student missing 50% of the questions on a test gets a higher grade than an Asian or white student missing only, say, 25% of the questions on the same test.

Now Florida is passing some stupid new law to ‘fix’ racial differences.

The left is insane.


4 posted on 10/16/2012 2:32:37 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Cincinna

Next he will lower French age to vote to perhaps 8? Very clever man.


5 posted on 10/16/2012 2:37:08 AM PDT by Broker (November... VICTORY or DEATH!!)
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To: Cincinna

This is from The Onion, right?


6 posted on 10/16/2012 2:38:22 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: Cincinna; monkeyshine; afraidfortherepublic; mojo114; seenenuf; LucyT; Think free or die; ...

H/T monkeyshine

This is a truly stupid system designed by leftists to brainwash little kids. For the convenience of parents, little children, as young as five, in France put in 8 hour days, and cram it into four days a week. No athletics, no gym, no music or art, just rote memorization.
Preparing them, among other things, for a 35 hour work week.

They are taught by the parrot method: memorizing and regurgitating information, not learning critical or creative thinking.

The system needs reform, but this is ridiculous!


7 posted on 10/16/2012 2:40:18 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna
He doesn’t think it is fair that some kids get help from their parents at home while children who come from disadvantaged families don’t. It’s an issue that goes well beyond France, and has been part of the reason that some Americans oppose homework too.

Is this not disordered reasoning? Should he not be working on correcting the problem with too many "disadvantaged" families?

Instead he is watering down the education of all the children.

Could it be that an ignorant populace are easier to control and manage?

8 posted on 10/16/2012 2:44:33 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Cincinna; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

This is just step one of getting rid of dogs. ;') Thanks Cincinna.
9 posted on 10/16/2012 2:49:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Cincinna

Those little rug rats only go to school 4 days a week?

That is so not fair to the rest of the world’s children.

I am really glad I’m not 12 years old right now, I would be steamed!


10 posted on 10/16/2012 2:57:07 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Cincinna

Hollande and the Florida Board of Education should put their heads together. As a team, they’d be able to concoct some sure-fire winning education policies. Just imagine the possibilities; race-based grading combined with no homework.

That’s a sure-fire recipe to create the next generation of millionaires from whom Hollande can steal wealth for The State.


11 posted on 10/16/2012 3:06:08 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: olezip
Should he not be working on correcting the problem...

Hollande is not being true to his principles. He should be moving to pass a law that giving-homework-help parents have to spend, say, half their help time with disadvantaged family students.

This would also boost shovel-ready jobs, as they hire for a new Ministère de Devoir Aider, massive construction for new buildings where advantaged parents and disadvantaged students would meet, etc. And new taxes to pay for this would create bigger deficits, thus boosting, in a Keynesian way, the French economy. It's a Win-Win!

12 posted on 10/16/2012 3:09:23 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Cincinna; All

I never was a fan of homework for school kids....if you spend 6 or 7 hours per day in school...you should never need homework....our schools waste so much time and money if they cannot educate kids with that many hours per day/week/year/lifetime

If there is so much homework...you are better off home-schooling instead

Hollande’s reasons are wrong....but homework really needs to be reduced. In this day and age of computers...I want kids to their schoolwork in school...not at home on a computer


13 posted on 10/16/2012 3:10:07 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: Cincinna

Holy crap, batman! Francois Hollande must have been studying Kurt Vonnegut’s “Harrison Bergeron”, even though by Hollande’s own standards this would seem unfair, the studying part that is.


14 posted on 10/16/2012 3:23:52 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: SeminoleCounty

When this plan doesn’t work, next there will be a law preventing parents from making their kids do anything remotely educational outside of school. No museums, no reading, no crosswords or math puzzles and all will be required to watch Jersey Shore on TV.


15 posted on 10/16/2012 3:38:18 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: Cincinna

They have to pass an act to ban doing a math, too.
Well, Hollande is a socialist. Growing ignorance means growing vote base.


16 posted on 10/16/2012 3:45:41 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Bon mots

“Race-norming” is the logical extension of creating a framework where whites/Asians are legally restricted from access to higher education, jobs, and promotions through barriers erected by the government.

We’ll even have a functionally-illiterate minority as president one day just to “level the playing field”...


17 posted on 10/16/2012 3:57:23 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Cincinna
and has been part of the reason that some Americans oppose homework too.

Fine with me. Since my kids go to a private school it just removes more public school kids from the pool of potential competitors.

And even if the EduNazis here in the States were to push the ban through to private schools (like what they've done with the Michelle Obama lunch program), I'd guess they'd have a pretty hard time trying to prevent my wife and me from "supplementing" after the kids get home on weeknights and on weekends.
18 posted on 10/16/2012 4:05:00 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: SeminoleCounty
I never was a fan of homework for school kids....if you spend 6 or 7 hours per day in school...you should never need homework....our schools waste so much time and money if they cannot educate kids with that many hours per day/week/year/lifetime

I agree somewhat.

The assignment of much if not most of the learning to be done at home enables the burden for learning and the blame for failure to be placed squarely on parents instead of the school.

Our most efficient schooling occurred historically when parents had no education at all, and had not the ability to help their children. Without homework assignments, parents still have the option to aid their kids in their education.

"What did you learn today?" Time could still be spent on education in the home, the absence of formal homework assignments does not prevent this.

There simply is no correlation between the quantity of homework assignments and the quality of education.

The most damaging myth however, in our education system is the belief that class size is the be-all-end-all, the critical factor. The belief in this myth gives us the constant clamor for more teachers. This meets union objectives, and has less to do with education quality than is generally believed. In Japan the average class size is 61.

De-centralizing the education system, allowing for more autonomy to set disciplinary standards, curriculi, and testing standards would do more to improve the outcomes. Teachers are ham-strung, with no freedom to innovate and adapt.

I would be willing to say that teachers SHOULD be paid more, and school districts would be able to pay more, if the teachers unions would stop clamoring for more teachers. If increasing quantity were to engender a corresponding increase in quality, then a retailer of any stripe would be able to increase sales merely by hiring more salespeople.

19 posted on 10/16/2012 4:14:39 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: kearnyirish2
"We’ll even have a functionally-illiterate minority as president one day just to “level the playing field”..."

The Kenyan must go.

20 posted on 10/16/2012 4:42:43 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: SeminoleCounty
how do you get proficient at math and physics unless you practice it??? homework is practice
21 posted on 10/16/2012 5:04:50 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Cincinna

What will happen if some parents rebel against this an give their children educational work to do anyway? Will the gendarmes be called out against the parents?


22 posted on 10/16/2012 5:22:19 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: Cincinna

“He (France’s Socialist Prez) doesn’t think it is fair that some kids get help from their parents at home while children who come from disadvantaged families don’t.”

If you care about your kids, if you want the best for them, if you (THEIR PARENT) help them learn: YOU TAKING SOMETHING FROM OTHER KIDS!

Sorry for shouting but this is the best illustration of where socialism leads us. If it wasn’t so serious it would indeed be funny IMHO

That’s what the Socialist Prez of France says. Saddly I believe this is at the core of all socialism, including Obama’s.

It’s not about helping, encouraging all people to improve. It’s about crippling the healthy so the unhealthy don’t feel bad. Mind numbing, and all to common.


23 posted on 10/16/2012 5:39:49 AM PDT by SF Geo (arnold-jones, non-voting citizenship)
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To: Cincinna
Interestingly, you can go back to the 1950s film “400 Blows” and see the concentration on memorization. What a portrait of the French school system!
24 posted on 10/16/2012 6:02:42 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Cincinna

Years ago when I first moved to Los Angeles I use to teach chess for this after school program at the liberal Sequoia school, grades K - 8 in Pasadena, CA. They did not give their students homework there either.....until they found out that almost 50% of their 8th graders were having a hard time getting into high school because they didn’t have the reading or math skills to move on the level. Parents started pulling their kids out and they just cut our program out, even though the parents paid for it separately from the school tuition. I didn’t think any of the students were very sharp there. One parent wanted me to teach them how to play to a draw or a stalemate so that way their would be no winners or losers. I said no...the only way they’ll learn to win is from losing and from there mistakes.


25 posted on 10/16/2012 12:26:15 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Bon mots; Cincinna

This whole idea is absolute insantiy. It is basically telling the people of France that he wants to resign the country to the standards of the lowest common denominator. Rather than let the best and brightest rise, he will actively attempt to suppress them in the attempt to generate “equal outcomes”.

This kind of thinking is straight out of the dark ages, when the RCC discouraged the people from learning how to read. Completely and utterly foolish and I hope the people of France reject this insanity with forceful indignation.


26 posted on 10/17/2012 12:38:55 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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