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Christian Blogger Endorses Romney; Debunks 'Can't Vote for Mormon' Belief
The Christian Post ^ | October 15, 2012 | Audrey Barrick , Christian Post Reporter

Posted on 10/15/2012 10:28:02 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A popular Christian blogger says he's voting for Mitt Romney and is challenging notions that Christians should sit out this year's election or that they shouldn't vote for the GOP presidential candidate because he's a Mormon.

In a series of blog posts, Frank Turk listed several reasons on Pyromaniacs why he's voting for and endorsing a "Mormon son of a Mormon who was not very conservative in Massachusetts and has not demonstrated very safely-right ideology in governing in the past."

One of those reasons is abortion.

Turk recognized that there are some Christians who will either try to vote for a third party candidate or not vote at all because both Romney and President Obama support abortions, though Romney only approves of it in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother.

For many Christians, abortion is murder, immoral and sinful and voting for a candidate who supports abortion would be wrong.

So by not voting, these Christians "protect their holiness."

Turk offers: "Doing nothing and calling it a moral victory is cowardly. It may actually be evil. But if it is nothing else, it is certainly this: failing to do as much as possible to make a difference toward the improvement of those things which you can effect and can make better. Failing to show that much compassion and effort is morally lazy.

"In the world we actually live in, where in our country there are about 1,200,000 abortions every year, one candidate/party is saying that we could eliminate 960,000 abortions by saying the only exceptions might be physical health and welfare of the mother. It's moral malpractice to say that seeking to reduce the number of abortions by 80% is the same as saying 100% of all abortions are politically and morally OK."

So Turk is endorsing Romney in order "to avoid the obvious moral failing of doing nothing at all – or participating in the moral equivalent of performance art – to turn back an unacceptable outcome even if the alternative is only less-unacceptable."

Turk also argued against the common argument that electing Romney to the White House would equate to assisting Mormonism in becoming a mainstream religious option.

In Romans 13, the Apostle Paul indicates that a non-Christian person, in his case Caesar, is capable of being a sound ruler.

"Even Caesar and his functionaries were able to approve of good conduct and strike terror into those who have bad conduct. In Paul's mind, being an unbeliever does not disqualify anyone from being a political ruler," Turk wrote.

Additionally, God instituted the governments, he argued. Even if the government may serve God poorly, the institution of government "is actually God's ordinary means of looking out for justice and judgment."

"Paul says that explicitly about the Roman government – which, let's face it, is barbaric by our standards. The kind of morality the average Roman would ascribe to would be absolutely wanton by our post-Christian standards. Yet somehow the Mormon view of morality is not going to work for an American magistrate?" said Turk.

Regarding the notion that Christians would be assisting a cult in becoming more mainstream, he said: "That sounds very high-minded and God-glorifying – until we start to think about all the things we have to give up which, frankly, make things that are non-Christian into socially-acceptable practices. We'd have to give up the internet, for starters; we'd have to give up our iPhones. We'd have to give up books. We'd have to give up Capitalism and Democracy.

"If we can rightly, theologically justify all the other ways we cooperate with non-believers on the secular stage, ignoring the means of doing so now to maintain your alleged holiness is, at best, evidence which ought to be used to convict you of greater transgressions."

Providing one "America" reason that the "don't assist in making a cult mainstream" doesn't work out, the blogger wrote, "Voting for any man does not affirm that you accept his religious expression, or his systematic theology: it affirms that you accept his right as a citizen to run for office."

In his concluding post, Turk stated that his intention is not to make Christians into "mindless voters for red-state dominion."

"What I want is for you to not pretend this election is just another election," he wrote.

"Vote effectively. And Vote prayerfully."


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Well said.
1 posted on 10/15/2012 10:28:09 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Better a Mormon in the White House than the Muslim we have now.


2 posted on 10/15/2012 10:34:12 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; GiovannaNicoletta; F15Eagle; .45 Long Colt; Buddygirl; Former Fetus; Bockscar; ...

Baptist ping


3 posted on 10/15/2012 10:37:55 AM PDT by WKB (After 4 years of Obama I am ready for a little R and R!!)
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To: Venturer

Yeah, they voted for a muzlimb.


4 posted on 10/15/2012 10:49:38 AM PDT by Internet Walnut
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

one candidate/party is saying that we could eliminate 960,000 abortions by saying the only exceptions might be physical health and welfare of the mother.
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NO

The republican Party is saying on its platform NO ABORTIONS

the candidate Willard Mitt Romney is saying all on his own ABORTIONS FOR HEALTH OF THE PREGNANT FEMALE, WELFARE OF THE PREGNANT FEMALE...

which is slightly diferent than when he said for years ABORTIONS DONT NEED A REASON LETS HAVE LOTS


5 posted on 10/15/2012 10:49:53 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I’m SOOOOOOOOOOOO grateful that you don’t live in a Blue state.


6 posted on 10/15/2012 10:57:01 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
After opposing Romney all through the primary season and resisting giving him my support even when it became clear that he would be the GOP candidate, I now plan to vote for him.

This is not because he is a good choice for the presidency. My belief is that because of the sickening moral degradation of America, we are essentially doomed. I don't see any Great Awakening in the offing although God may forestall His wrath for a season as He did for King Josiah. No nation that sanctions the butchery of over 50 million children will long stand.

Romney's election may slightly slow the steady march to destruction and thus give us a short window of time in which we can better prepare ourselves for the coming judgment both spiritually and physically.

America doesn't appear in the cataclysmic endtime Bible prophecies. There's a reason.

7 posted on 10/15/2012 10:58:06 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (“How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama's Crimes Against the Unborn
8 posted on 10/15/2012 11:00:48 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mr. Turk needs to read Isaiah 28:14-20. And then he needs to pray long and hard.

I’ve done that for the last six months now. Mormonism has nothing to do with why I and others like me can’t support Mitt Romney.

If you read the verses, you’ll see what God has to say about ‘the lesser of two evils’.


9 posted on 10/15/2012 11:01:34 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A large number of Christians (Social Conservatives) sat out the 1988 election because they refused to vote for a confessed liar ~ to wit, George H. W. Bush.

I'm too tired to check for it but I bet this particular blogger has yet to condemn them for that action ~ or lack there of.

10 posted on 10/15/2012 11:07:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
From the article: Providing one "America" reason that the "don't assist in making a cult mainstream" doesn't work out, the blogger wrote, "Voting for any man does not affirm that you accept his religious expression, or his systematic theology: it affirms that you accept his right as a citizen to run for office."

Re: the latter: Oh, so you HAVE to now vote for a Hare Krishna, a Scientolist, a Wicca, or a Satanist to thereby "prove" "that you accept his (her) right as a citizen to run for office"????

Talk about lame logic. Hardly debunking anything.

Sorry, Frank...and those who embrace this sorry line of thinking"
* We don't have to vote for Democrats just to prove they have some "right" as citizens to "run for office."
* We don't have to vote for homosexuals just to prove they have some "right" as citizens to "run for office."
* We don't have to vote for Environmentalist Green Party folks just to prove they have some "right" as citizens to "run for office."
* We don't have to vote for libertarians just to prove they have some "right" as citizens to "run for office."
* Nor do we have to vote for Scientologists just to prove they have some "right" as citizens to "run for office."

There is no across-the-board universal parallel application of Frank Turk's logic here...showing its sheer absurdity.

11 posted on 10/15/2012 11:19:58 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Or maybe he means that there is no religious test for office in the United States.


12 posted on 10/15/2012 11:22:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
From the article: Providing one "America" reason that the "don't assist in making a cult mainstream" doesn't work out, the blogger wrote, "Voting for any man does not affirm that you accept his religious expression, or his systematic theology: it affirms that you accept his right as a citizen to run for office."

Listen, no candidate "meets" tit for tat their theology and your theology.

Tell us, Frank Turk and your disciples, name a single source who is claiming that because Candidate A doesn't match up "systematic theology"-wise, don't vote for him???

This is simply called a "straw man" argumentative fallacy.

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when somebody ignores actual positions and substitutes an extreme, distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of various positions.

So, as it pertains to Mitt Romney and other temple Mormons, we don't have to evaluate him across the board on every theological tenet. And I haven't found ANYBODY saying that we need to...(or apply that logic to ANY OTHER candidate in any other race, either).

We can simply evaluate Mitt Romney on a few key decisive theological points: For example, does he or does he not, believe he is a "god in embryo?" Many Lds "prophets" have taught that. No Lds teaching has denied those teachings. Therefore, do we want to vote for somebody who sets himself up as a rival god to THE God???

How do you think THE God feels about you as a Christian ignoring the FIRST commandment about not placing other gods before him...and endorsing such false gods???

There. No exhaustive theological exam needed.

A second point worthy of eval: What is the Mormon "scriptural" position on who we as Christians are?

Answer? ALL (as in 100%) of our professors are "corrupt." ALL (as in 100%) of our creeds are an "abomination." That's what Joseph Smith - History vv. 18-20 teaches in the Pearl of Great Price, which is Lds "scripture." That's not "Mormon leader" mere opinion; it's their specific scripture as applied toward all Christian sects.

Therefore, is that very "inspirational" for Christians to vote for Romney???

Key point in remembering is that we're down to only a handful of true swing states. Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, polling-wise are all falling to Romney. The only FREEPERs who can justify their anti-conservative vote "anybody but Obama" (a euphemism for pro-Romneyism) are those in states like Ohio, PA, Wisconsin, Colorado.

Just about ALL of the rest of the states will either easily fall to Romney, or to Obama, and your FREEPER vote won't make a difference in those states.

13 posted on 10/15/2012 11:36:50 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I see we’ve still got some bigots here who don’t understand how important beating Obama is. Those people are idiots.


14 posted on 10/15/2012 11:38:11 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Springfield Reformer
Or maybe he means that there is no religious test for office in the United States.

"Religious tests" per the Constitution apply ONLY to the government attempting to "fence out" given candidates.

If such tests applied to voters, then we would be FORCED to vote for minority religious candidates like Satanists to prove that there's no "religious test" for such a candidate.

How lame.

Religious tests apply only to WHO gets on the ballot; it's not meant to be a dictator forcing you HOW to vote among your choices on that ballot.

15 posted on 10/15/2012 11:40:35 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Franklin Graham has come out strongly for Mitt.
After Mitt visited Billy Graham, Billy said he’d do everything he could to help.


16 posted on 10/15/2012 11:41:18 AM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ozzymandus; 2ndDivisionVet

I see we still have some intolerant “bigots” here who can’t stand the free religious expression of others.


17 posted on 10/15/2012 11:41:43 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: ozzymandus

Yes, very true.


18 posted on 10/15/2012 11:44:32 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Romney/Ryan 2012)
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To: Colofornian
I never claimed there were any requirements on voters. Talk about a straw man. I'm starting to think that Starship Troopers had it right. Do you know what I mean by that?
19 posted on 10/15/2012 11:45:03 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; ozzymandus; All
Or maybe he means that there is no religious test for office in the United States

You know what's "funny" is that Obama's supposed Muslim ties have been mentioned in hundreds/thousands of FR threads and tens of thousands of FR posts going back to 2007. I've yet to see a single FREEPER bring up the "no religious test for office" to apply to either Islam or Obama's Muslim ties.

How conveniently inconsistent.

(Nor have I seen the self-appointed "bigot patrol" rush into those same threads to accuse posters of engaging in Islamic "bigotry"...more hypocrisy on the loose)

20 posted on 10/15/2012 11:45:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Well, since there are at least two Muslim members of Congress and Lord knows how many in state and local office, it would seem to be a moot point, nicht wehr? I’m burning your straw men as quickly as I can with this Bic lighter, but I sure could use a flame thrower.


21 posted on 10/15/2012 11:48:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
From the article: In Romans 13, the Apostle Paul indicates that a non-Christian person, in his case Caesar, is capable of being a sound ruler.

So what? This doesn't prove anything.

Both the Old and New Testaments are rife with listing specific non-Christian rulers (and even some Jewish kings like Manasseh) who were absolutely horrific.

Some unaffiliated U.S. presidents like Lincoln have been wonderful; some affiliated as "Christian" presidents -- like Grover Cleveland (Presbyterian) and Warren Harding (Baptist) each fathered illegitimate children...Cleveland later married a 21 yo girl he had been the legal guardian of since she was 11...Harding oft had liquor-filled parties, had numerous affairs, etc.

So mere theological affiliation alone is NOT enough to evaluate POTUS candidates re: character, etc. Each are individuals...

Mitt Romney is NOT a cafeteria Mormon; he's a temple Mormon, an ex-bishop, an ex-Missionary President...But the only thing he has openly condemned within Mormonism is past polygamy. That's it. He's left everything else on the table for associating with him.

22 posted on 10/15/2012 11:56:50 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

BTW, there’s no “supposed” about it. Mr. Obama recited for Mr. Kristof the opening lines of the Arabic call to
prayer. The opening lines of the Adhan, the Muslim call to prayer, translated, read as follows, with each line repeated twice:

“Allah is supreme! Allah is supreme!
Allah is supreme! Allah is supreme!
I witness there is no God but Allah.
I witness there is no God but Allah.
I witness that muhammad is his prophet…”

Kristof said Obama recited the prayer “with a first rate accent.”…New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof

Sincere recitation of the Shahada is the sole requirement for becoming a Muslim, as it expresses a person’s rejection of all other gods.


23 posted on 10/15/2012 12:00:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
since there are at least two Muslim members of Congress and Lord knows how many in state and local office, it would seem to be a moot point, nicht wehr? I’m burning your straw men as quickly as I can...

Go back to your original context. A religious test for POTUS. Article V of the Constitution has been associated with that phrase ("religious test"). Article V of the Constitution doesn't address Congressional or state-house candidates, now does it???

So, first you use language found in reference to ONLY the POTUS candidacy. I address that by using a Muslim parallel (& other cult) parallels. And now you're digressing by veering off into races not even covered by Article V of the Constitution...

So...now we're discussing Congressional races???
...State-house races?
...What next, 'DIVISIonvet, local dog-catcher races?

Will you then cite how many local dog-catchers are either Muslim or Mormon to prove some esoteric political point???

And, then what? Who are you going to quote as some "opposition" supposedly attempting to keep all Muslims, Scientologists, and Mormons "out" as local dog-catchers??? (Talk about extreme straw men)

Hey, if Mitt hadn't put his dog on top of his station wagon and drove him cross-country on a vacation, I'd endorse Mitt for dog-catcher.

24 posted on 10/15/2012 12:05:23 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; ozzymandus
BTW, there’s no “supposed” about it. Mr. Obama recited for Mr. Kristof the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer.

Good point.

Now please respond then to two questions I have:

In post #12, you said: ...there is no religious test for office in the United States.

If that is the case, why would Obama's Muslim ties be any more relevant than Romney's Mormon commitment?

Q 2: Ozzymandus lamented alleged religious "bigotry" in a previous post. Is it religious "bigotry" to wax negative about Obama's Muslim ties? Or does that get selective treatment on FR?

25 posted on 10/15/2012 12:10:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
From the article: ...though Romney only approves of it [abortion] in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother"

OK, "class": This is a lesson in "reductionism." When a writer -- and perhaps also the poster of an article like this -- wishes to present their fave candidate in a better light...they will reduce their true position in order to steer readers away from its more negative realities.

In this case, Romney already went on the record in August of 2012 saying he embraced abortions beyond rape, incest, and life of the mother:

Romney says abortion legal for mother's health

"Health"...why that's the very weasel word chosen by the 1973 Supreme Court to give this nation abortion-on-demand. "Health" was the very exception of allowance -- 'cause "health" could mean ANYTHING (even "economic" health).

And guess who gets to determine if a mom is "unhealthy"??? Why the abortion industry does!!! The abortionist does!!!

We know a writer has lost his/her credibility when they can't even present the proper pro-abortion stances of a given candidate correctly.

Mitt, btw, is ALSO on the record as saying that embryos can either be up for adoption -- or, "given" away to "research." (December, 2007)

That's hardly objecting to some "asterisk" exception in the interest of protecting our holiness or our purity.

Frank Turk is off-base if he thinks THE MAIN THING is ourselves when it comes to protecting the pre-born. Ironically, though, he has hit upon a possible reality...but has distorted who to apply it to: The EXACT problem of the FORMAL pro-life movement right now is that many of these groups TEND to be more interested in maintaining their "place" at the table of influence and their OWN survival than protecting pre-born embryos, pre-born infants whose moms claim they aren't 100% "healthy" and whose dads are incest-perpetrators attempting to cover up their crimes with the dismemberment of their second victims!!!

We know this because we don't see them critiquing Romney for his "health" of the mom statements...or for all embryos are up for "research" statements. These kind of statements just get "hunky-dory" endorsements from the formal pro-life groups!!!

I guess we can just thank our Father in Heaven that He didn't elect to send Jesus as an embryo & pre-born infant in a time when politicians like Obama and Romney said the Son of God could be "donated" to research in his early "earth-life" or could be dismembered if Mary had not "felt" up to it, "health"-wise...

26 posted on 10/15/2012 12:29:24 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Dr. Thorne
After opposing Romney all through the primary season and resisting giving him my support even when it became clear that he would be the GOP candidate, I now plan to vote for him.

You know, I concede I've been "inwardly cheering" for Ryan (in debate vs. Biden)

The Democratic leadership is utterly dispicable. But I won't vote for either Obama or Romney.

This is not because he is a good choice for the presidency. My belief is that because of the sickening moral degradation of America, we are essentially doomed. I don't see any Great Awakening in the offing although God may forestall His wrath for a season as He did for King Josiah. No nation that sanctions the butchery of over 50 million children will long stand. Romney's election may slightly slow the steady march to destruction and thus give us a short window of time in which we can better prepare ourselves for the coming judgment both spiritually and physically.

Well, I believe you are right about judgment; and wrong about any comment of it "slowing" due to Romney's election.

Reread Exodus. Reread other OT books on God's reaction to when His people sanctioned false gods and high places where idol worship was embraced. Reread how Jewish king after Jewish king were EACH judged on key things like whether they allowed false worship centers to remain front & center in their culture.

Now fast-forward: Imagine you are God. Your people on earth sanction a guy who claims to be a competing god (in embryo). Is that any less provocative to you as God?

Unlike human jealousy, God's attribute of jealousy is pure and is based upon love and His "creator" right. He made us. We are His. And yet a goodly number of God's people will openly endorse and sanction a guy who says he's a "god in embryo" -- a rival "god" to THE God -- and they won't even give a caveat or qualifier about their vote...

And they think God will ignore that???

Our judgment bed was made well before November 2012.

27 posted on 10/15/2012 12:41:30 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Hey, if Mitt hadn't put his dog on top of his station wagon and drove him cross-country on a vacation, I'd endorse Mitt for dog-catcher.

Hey! he built a plywood windbreak of some sort, and the dog made it safe and sound (maybe loved the trip, too. An ultimate hang-the-tongue-out-the-window opportunity...)

The Muslim probably wouldn't be very good at dog "catching". Their religion (extreme forms of it anyway) teaches that dogs are unclean (Mad Mo said so! end of story!). We want our "catchers" to bring animals in, not shoot them on the street, like they were modern-day policemen or something.

So Mitt should be given extra credit for inventiveness, allowing the dog to come along on vacation with the family. Kennels are a real drag, it's like doggy jail for the innocent. Just ask any dog who's been in one. It's only slightly better than being in that other doggy jail, the Pound.

Now if he had made his wife or kids ride on top, with the dog being the privileged caste, then maybe there would be a problem...


28 posted on 10/15/2012 2:54:18 PM PDT by BlueDragon (going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Back in the 60’s, 70’s, and even the 80’s a Mormon running for president would get absolutely no where. Reason being back then most knew their Bibles, they knew what Mormonism was. Joseph Smith’s golden plates religion, they saw on a par with Mohammedism.

The Apostle Paul prophesied a great falling away to precede the rise of Antichrist. Look where we are, the Republican Party gave, once Christian America, us Mormonism to vote for...and with hardly a whimper amongst so-called Conservatives they accept it. We expect as much from the Libertarians who could care less what you believed religiously, an atheist would suit them just fine, but social Conservatives?

It is a clear sign how far down Christian belief has fallen in America. The falling away is clearly here, all the FReeper posts I see here convinces me of that fact, obviously they could care less if they have golden plates Joseph Smith Mormonism for THEIR president. We are in the foothills of antichrist.


29 posted on 10/15/2012 4:13:09 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Colofornian

You mean yourself. Obviously.


30 posted on 10/15/2012 4:32:03 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Tennessee Nana

which is slightly diferent than when he said for years ABORTIONS DONT NEED A REASON LETS HAVE LOTS


Are you positive that is exactly what he said?


31 posted on 10/15/2012 8:03:02 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Dr. Thorne

America doesn’t appear in the cataclysmic endtime Bible prophecies. There’s a reason.


A lot of people would disagree with you there.


32 posted on 10/15/2012 8:07:10 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In Romans 13, the Apostle Paul indicates that a non-Christian person, in his case Caesar, is capable of being a sound ruler.


1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


I am not sure that i will ever understand why Paul wrote that as it contradicts every thing we know that happened to our Lord Jesus, James, and other Christians and later to Paul and peter in Rome.

Did Jesus or his Apostles do evil? did Peter and Paul do evil in Rome?

Or was Paul at a time in his life when he was just not thinking straight? yeah i know this will make some people mad but if you think of all of the Christians who were killed by these rulers you have to admit it is something to consider.


33 posted on 10/15/2012 8:37:56 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Colofornian

Are you voting for Obama?


34 posted on 10/16/2012 11:05:38 AM PDT by Jean S
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are a number of countries where Christians don’t have the option of voting for a Christian. They have to hope that they can at least vote for an ally. Romney is certainly an ally.
So am I.


35 posted on 10/16/2012 11:17:34 AM PDT by UltraV (I use the term Leftist not liberal, because a true liberal would not support government censorship.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

If we thought 1st term Obama is bad, we haven’t seen anything yet. 2nd term Obama has nothing to lose. Our constitutional republic is hanging by a thread. There won’t BE a 2016 if we don’t stop him from gaining more power.


36 posted on 10/16/2012 11:20:46 AM PDT by UltraV (I use the term Leftist not liberal, because a true liberal would not support government censorship.)
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To: Venturer
Better a Mormon in the White House than the Muslim we have now.

At least the Mormon isn't an enemy of this country.
37 posted on 10/16/2012 11:21:16 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: Colofornian
Exactly the same! How can we support a Mormon when the Mormons are causing so many terrorist attacks!

Not.

38 posted on 10/16/2012 11:29:32 AM PDT by UltraV (I use the term Leftist not liberal, because a true liberal would not support government censorship.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How many of these same Christians voted for Muslim friendly Obama in 2008 ?

39 posted on 10/16/2012 11:31:01 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The alternative is the red diaper doper baby secular humanist pro-Islamist president we already have in the White Hut. How’s that workin’ out?


40 posted on 10/16/2012 11:31:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

After these past 4 years... it’s ANY PORT IN THE STORM !


41 posted on 10/16/2012 11:32:12 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Talk about taking a Christocentric passage and distorting it to meet a non-spiritual issue..


42 posted on 10/16/2012 11:44:06 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Venturer

“Better a Mormon in the White House than the Muslim we have now.”

For me, “Better a strict Constitutionalist in the White House than a religious zealot of any kind.” I’m very Baptist (preacher’s kid, seminary student, etc.), and I make my choice for president based on which candidate will more strictly follow the Constitution. I’d rather have an atheist who is committed to upholding every part of the Constituion, especially absolute freedom of religion, than a Baptist who is committed to turn the country toward that denomination. If complete freedom of religion is upheld, then everybody wins.

Many Baptists now don’t understand the fundamental tenets, especially personal soul liberty and religious freedom. We studied that in Sunday School back in the ‘50s and ‘60s, but I think kids don’t learn the basics any more.


43 posted on 10/16/2012 11:59:57 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Tennessee Nana

You’re slipping. I thought you would be instantly aroused and be the first response on this thread. The choice is a Muslim or Mormon. I guess your hate of Romney is so intense that the Muslim is okay. The guy who lets babies die after a botched abortion.


44 posted on 10/16/2012 12:10:01 PM PDT by doug from upland (I don't like RINOs, but I love my country more than I hate Romney...Muslim marxist, get out!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If Obama is a Muslim, you have to ask yourself how did this country end up with two leading liberal Presidential candidates from the north who believe in false prophets.

Sure does feel like somebody upstairs is judging us.
45 posted on 10/16/2012 12:21:56 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Gamecock

Try reading it again.

The whole issue of that passage is making a deal with a known evil to avoid an evil feared to be worse. God says we should trust Him for the outcome. I mean to do that.

Unless you mean to say God distorts His command to follow him and trust Him in all things. Do you really mean to say that?


46 posted on 10/16/2012 12:25:51 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jean S; All
Jean...I've said it before...I'll say it again: I'm voting for Virgil Goode for POTUS.

And for those who would thereby, in turn, proceed to "lecture" me on the "realities" of voting for a third-party candidate, please spare me...until you can show me links to how you lectured all Romney & would-be Romney voters in blue states -- since voting for Romney in non-swing state blue states is likewise "throwing your vote away" on a candidate who absolutely has ZERO chance of claiming those particular electoral votes.

Voting for a third party candidate in a non-swing state is better than voting for a pro-abort who will lose, anyway. And if I happened to reside in a swing state, guess what? (I'd still vote for Virgil Goode...why vote for somebody portending to be a "god in embryo" whose in favor of dismembering younger versions of Jessica Ridgeway???)

47 posted on 10/16/2012 12:25:51 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: af_vet_rr

Mr. Obama is from Hawaii by way of Indonesia by way of Kenya. His move to Illinois was merely strategic, like Hillary moving to New York instead of back to Arkansas or Illinois.


48 posted on 10/16/2012 12:27:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Turk offers: "Doing nothing and calling it a moral victory is cowardly. It may actually be evil. But if it is nothing else, it is certainly this: failing to do as much as possible to make a difference toward the improvement of those things which you can effect and can make better. Failing to show that much compassion and effort is morally lazy.

I'm all out of compassion for lying murderous politicians. I only have compassion left for the babies that get murdered everyday.

When this nation fears God, abortion will come to an abrupt end. Until we fear God, we are teetering on the razor's edge of unmitigated and unprecedented wrath and destruction: economically, militarily and morally. I believe that the Civil War was a cake walk compared to what is in store for us. Abortion is not just our crime it is our unbearable punishment.

Somebody please tell me about how an iota of any of the crap thrown in tonight's debate has anything to do with fearing God.

Lamentations 3:12
He hath bent his bow, and set me as a mark for the arrow.

49 posted on 10/16/2012 12:51:47 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mr. Obama is from Hawaii by way of Indonesia by way of Kenya. His move to Illinois was merely strategic, like Hillary moving to New York instead of back to Arkansas or Illinois.

Regardless of his origins, he is every bit a product of the Chicago Democratic Machine as Daley was.
50 posted on 10/16/2012 2:03:30 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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