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Full title: 'I liked to shoot everything - women, kids... it was kind of sport': Secret Nazi tapes reveal how ordinary German soldiers were responsible for war crimes and not just SS

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1 posted on 09/23/2012 11:18:23 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright

We didn’t call them the Hun JUST for propaganda.


2 posted on 09/23/2012 11:28:59 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Hitler, like Obama, suffered from NPD. We see from history what the end result will be like if Obama is reelected.


3 posted on 09/23/2012 11:33:35 AM PDT by Ohiobelle
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To: Neil E. Wright

Antony Brevard and max hastings in their two recent histories of WW2 put the myth of Wehrmacht innocence in the grave. The responsibility went from the lowest landser to the highest divisional and army commanders. One thing is true. beyond the Holocaust, if you were alive and living between the Oder and the Urals from 1941-45 you were in Hell.


4 posted on 09/23/2012 11:34:02 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Neil E. Wright
For the most part I'm inclined to hold the higher ranks and higher civilian officials responsible.Many (if not most) of the ordinary soldiers committing these atrocities were brought up from a very impressionable age in the Hitler Youth...a training ground for psychopaths of the future.Add to that the fear (probably appropriate) of serious reprisals for “leniency”....
6 posted on 09/23/2012 11:40:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive!)
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To: Neil E. Wright
the first picture has odd shoulder boards, no eagle over the pocket and doesn't look like Wehrmacht

the second looks like SS and the third is definitely SS

the forth are SS officers

in the fifth one the guy looking at the camera again has an odd uniform and helmet but those in the background are most definitely SS

the sixth, no way to tell

7 posted on 09/23/2012 11:45:45 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Neil E. Wright
And yet, they were greeted as liberators in the Ukraine!


9 posted on 09/23/2012 11:47:02 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

This just in:

War is a bad business where very bad things happen, especially when civilians are thrown into the mix.


15 posted on 09/23/2012 12:24:22 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Neil E. Wright

This is an email, minus the pictures, I received two days ago. The pictures are available at http://www.valorstudios.com/Franz-Stigler-Charlie-Brown.htm Verification that this is a true story is also available there.

Look carefully at the B-17 and note how shot up it is - one engine dead, tail, horizontal stabilizer and nose shot up. It was ready to fall out of the sky. (This is a painting done by an artist from the description of both pilots many years later.) Then realize that there is a German ME-109 fighter flying next to it. Now read the story below. I think you’ll be surprised...

Charlie Brown was a B-17 Flying Fortress pilot with the 379th Bomber Group at Kimbolton , England . His B-17 was called ‘Ye Old Pub’ and was in a terrible state, having been hit by flak and fighters. The compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton.

After flying the B-17 over an enemy airfield, a German pilot named Franz Steigler was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17. When he got near the B-17, he could not believe his eyes. In his words, he ‘had never seen a plane in such a bad state’... The tail and rear section was severely damaged, and the tail gunner wounded. The top gunner was all over the top of the fuselage. The nose was smashed and there were holes everywhere.

Despite having ammunition, Franz flew to the side of the B-17 and looked at Charlie Brown, the pilot.
Brown was scared and struggling to control his damaged and blood-stained plane.

BF-109 pilot Franz Stigler B-17 pilot Charlie Brown.

Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz waved at Charlie to turn 180 degrees. Franz escorted and guided the stricken plane to, and slightly over, the North Sea towards England .. He then saluted Charlie Brown and turned away, back to Europe ...

When Franz landed he told the CO that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody. Charlie Brown and the remains of his crew told all at their briefing, but were ordered never to talk about it.

More than 40 years later, Charlie Brown wanted to find the Luftwaffe pilot who saved the crew. After years of research, Franz was found. He had never talked about the incident, not even at post-war reunions.

They met in the USA at a 379th Bomber Group reunion, together with 25 people who were alive - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.

(L-R) German Ace Franz Stigler, artist Ernie Boyett, and B-17 pilot Charlie Brown.

When asked why he didn’t shoot them down, Stigler later said, “I didn’t have the heart to finish those brave men. I flew beside them for a long time. They were trying desperately to get home and I was going to let them do that. I could not have shot at them. It would have been the same as shooting at a man in a parachute.”

Both men died in 2008.

This is a true story..
This was back in the days when there was some kind of honour in being a warrior. They proudly wore uniforms, and they didn’t hide behind women and children, nor did they plant bombs amidst innocent crowds.

(No, I am not of German heritage)


18 posted on 09/23/2012 12:36:31 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: Neil E. Wright

This is interesting. More news of carnage from World War II. Of course there was plenty of that going on all over. It does add to the overall picture. Of course,there is plenty of killing going on today.


20 posted on 09/23/2012 12:43:40 PM PDT by River Hawk
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To: Neil E. Wright

I’m teaching “Night” in my classroom currently. Couldn’t help but mention that there are some countries in the world (and you can guess who) that still want all Jews killed.


22 posted on 09/23/2012 1:03:06 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Does anyone doubt that some on the rabid left would not like to do the same to conservatives, Christians, etc...true hate is a powerful force (not the concocted ‘hate’ we hear from the gay lobby)


29 posted on 09/23/2012 1:51:35 PM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

From the point of view of the residents of the East (Europe, D’UH!) for something like 1,000 years (can you count to 100? 1,000 is like counting to 100 ten times!) the invaders from the West brought civilization, while the invaders from the East brought nothing but savagery! That held true during the WWII. (The barbarisms of war are assumed.)


30 posted on 09/23/2012 1:54:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Soros is still proud of his actions.


32 posted on 09/23/2012 2:06:21 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Ping.


36 posted on 09/23/2012 4:05:13 PM PDT by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123, Bahbah, and Just Lori.)
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To: Neil E. Wright
hidden microphones on prisoners of war

That statement seemed a bit odd. What was state of the art in hidden microphones at that time? How did they record the microphones’ signals for later playback?

38 posted on 09/23/2012 4:34:10 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: Neil E. Wright
Buddy of mine emmigrated from France. He said at one time the French are always looking for the "switch" on Germans.

You throw it one way they are happy beer swilling louts, the other way they are ruthless killers.

49 posted on 09/24/2012 4:45:05 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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