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Texas spends big bucks suing federal government
Houston Chronicle ^ | September 8, 2012

Posted on 09/09/2012 9:56:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — The slogan goes, "Don't Mess With Texas." But with President Barack Obama in the White House a more appropriate cry might be: "Try it and we'll sue."

The Texas attorney general's office has filed 24 lawsuits against the federal government since Obama took office — litigation that has cost the state $2.58 million and more than 14,113 hours spent by staff and state lawyers working those cases.

....Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said the costs are worth it, calling the litigation "a fight against the unprecedented ideology coming from the Obama administration." In an interview, he said the legal battles he wages are meant to promote industry and protect Texas jobs.

Abbott took office in 2002 and sued the federal government three times between 2004 and 2007 while fellow Republican George W. Bush was president. But the floodgates opened under Obama, with Texas suing two dozen times since 2010. Sixteen of Abbott's lawsuits challenged environmental regulations.

....Texas has won five of Abbott's 27 cases, lost eight and had two others dismissed because the regulations or laws being challenged were lifted or repealed by Congress. The other 12 are pending.....

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; abbott; federalregulations; statesrights
The article concentrates on costs not on principle. It's worth a full read.
1 posted on 09/09/2012 9:56:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

$2.5 million spent of defending state sovereignty is a drop in the bucket when you compare it to the size of the Texas government and the size of the Texas economy.


2 posted on 09/09/2012 10:00:05 AM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: radpolis

Ditto to what you said.


3 posted on 09/09/2012 10:04:04 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Diversity and political correctness. The real reason 09-11-01 happened.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
litigation that has cost the state $2.58 million and more than 14,113 hours spent by staff and state lawyers working those cases.

So... state employees who are lawyers are working on this case rather than on others.. so does this 2.58 million include their salaries as state employees? Employees who would have jobs regardless of the case they worked on?

I don't get why litigation has,
1. Cost the state anything it wouldn't be spending anyway, and
2. The must have a hell of a salary!

4 posted on 09/09/2012 10:08:44 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party of No! Nobama, No Way, No How!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Texas objected to the communists like attitude of King Obama in controlling what should be up to Texas. Texas believed in the Constitution whereas King Obama believed he was a God sent to Earth to hoppieee and changeee to his way or no way at all.


5 posted on 09/09/2012 10:09:01 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Texas has won five of Abbott's 27 cases...

It is a well known fact that a majority of readers skim articles (I am often guilty of this, I admit). The above referenced sentence was constructed specifically for those skimmers as the take away will be: '5 out of 27..........pretty lousy record for Texas.'

Reality is Texas' position has been validated either by courts or Congress 7 out of 15 times.

7 posted on 09/09/2012 10:11:58 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Romney was right about the Olympics, but neither the Brits or the Dems will admit it.)
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To: Michael.SF.

And cases are moving to Appeal and then to the Supreme Ct.


8 posted on 09/09/2012 10:14:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And a good read it is. It is worth every penny I pay on taxes to sue until the cows come home-anything to keep the more government/liberal vision out of my state now and forever...


9 posted on 09/09/2012 10:20:05 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maybe I’m wrong here but a States Attorney General office is a sunk-cost in terms of goverment spending anyway.

Unless they hire outside lawyers, pay overtime, or incur extra above-budget costs, they are doing the job the people of the state elected them to do.

This ‘extra cost’ “how are we gonna pay for it” “ needless extra expense” stuff is just part of the liberal lexicon used to divert attention from the real problem - duly elected Texas officials are forced to defend Texas Citizens’ interest against the usurped Federal Government. Money damn-well worth spent if you aks me.


10 posted on 09/09/2012 10:20:28 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: radpolis

Ditto +1. 2.58 million out of a 40 billion annual budget = 0.0065%. The article “forgets” to put the amount into perspective.


11 posted on 09/09/2012 10:31:20 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: grobdriver

“In all, Abbott’s federal cases have cost the state more than $2.8 million. That includes $1.5 million-plus in salaries for state employees working on the cases, nearly $250,000 in court costs and the travel expenses of attorney general’s office personnel, and roughly $1 million for outside counsel and expert witnesses.

Attorney general’s office staff and state lawyers have also spent more than 17,325 total hours working those cases. That’s the same as more than eight state employees dedicating a full year of 40-hour workweeks to lawsuits against the federal government.”


12 posted on 09/09/2012 10:33:40 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: grobdriver

Oops! Skipped a line in the quote;

“”We are tasked by the state Legislature to hire lawyers to defend the state of Texas and that’s what we’ve been doing,” Abbott said. “This is absolutely part of their day-to-day jobs.””


13 posted on 09/09/2012 10:34:56 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Money well spent. Period.


14 posted on 09/09/2012 10:37:14 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

$2.5 million is tiny compared to the welfare fraud or any other budget item.
$2.5 million spent pushing back the federal dictators is well spent.


15 posted on 09/09/2012 10:41:09 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If I’m reading the article correctly, most of the money spent was not spent on suing the federal government but defending Texas from suits filed by the federal government against laws passed by the state legislature. Isn’t that what a state Attorney General is supposed to do?


16 posted on 09/09/2012 10:41:39 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

God bless Texas and Attorney General Abbot. Obama has picked a fight with Texas. He should be forced to fight every one of these issues in court. That’s money well spent, in spite of the Houston Comical’s whining.


17 posted on 09/09/2012 10:43:52 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Delhi Rebels

Indeed!


18 posted on 09/09/2012 10:44:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Michael.SF.

Greg Abbott is TOPS. I heard his speech at the TX GOP Convention and he is where he should be, for now. At some point he is destined for bigger things.


19 posted on 09/09/2012 10:48:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: MestaMachine

BUMP!


20 posted on 09/09/2012 10:49:05 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: txrefugee
Greg Abbott -- He built his life.
21 posted on 09/09/2012 10:53:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: radpolis

That’s but a fraction of the costs TX spends on incarceration costs for its workforce.


22 posted on 09/09/2012 11:03:31 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Logical me
whereas King Obama believed he was a God

Obama is playing an equal opportunity black punk but in actuality, Obama is working for the Muslim cause to destroy the west and control the world.

If you don't believe it, explain Arab Spring's results:

Libya gov't overthrown, for Radical Islam

Egypt gov't overthrown, Muslim Brotherhood already in control

Iraq: US Troops out as things were being controlled. US Press is not reporting the terrorist attacks in Iraq.

Syria: Once Obama and his allies overthrow the gov't, radical Islam will muscle it's way to the top just like in Egypt.

Obama, screwing up everything he touches. You may understand that, but you probably don't even suspect nor will you believe he is a Muslim terrorist playing President.

23 posted on 09/09/2012 11:08:35 AM PDT by politicianslie (Obama: Our first Muslim PRESIDENT,destroying America $1 Trillion at a time! And America sleeps)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If we want to sue the feds... it needs to be skilled retired attorneys of conservative constitutional persuasion.. who have their own income, who will form a “Joe Arpaio” posse to file these suits. There is nothing in the “forma” of filing a suit that has changed so much (other than maybe internet stuff, online filing etc.) that these PATRIOTS could do to stop the feds, and do this legally.

To not pursue what is right, simply because of “cost” issues begs the question— what is the “cost” of letting it continue. But if you’re gonna argue “cost” then elminate the cost, and do it for the right PATRIOTIC reasons for our Republic. Deo Vindice.


24 posted on 09/09/2012 11:26:15 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: MestaMachine

Can I hear an amen?


25 posted on 09/09/2012 11:41:19 AM PDT by Kimmers (Fair isn't everybody getting the same thing, fair is getting what you need to be successful)
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To: MestaMachine

Can I hear an amen?


26 posted on 09/09/2012 11:41:33 AM PDT by Kimmers (Fair isn't everybody getting the same thing, fair is getting what you need to be successful)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Money well spent if you ask me. Who else is going to stand up to Washington even if your challenge is to be “judged” by Washington itself.

It is better to say something to a tyrant and be turned down publicly than to have never said anything at all.

At least we now unequivetly know that even Washington’s hand picked employees in black robes regard Washington’s power as effectively boundless(constitution-less). Such knowledge is indispensable in justifying a revolt against their openly admitted authoritarian lawlessness.

It is regrettable that even such questions must be so expensive, but such is the nature of the complete injustice of D.C.


27 posted on 09/09/2012 11:42:20 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Kimmers

AMEN!


28 posted on 09/09/2012 11:48:56 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Kimmers

And an AMEN! LOL
Always worth repeating.


29 posted on 09/09/2012 11:50:29 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Yeah, that pesky Greg, I can not imagine why he is being such a maverick...

(snicker...)

.

30 posted on 09/09/2012 12:03:41 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Texas attorney general Greg Abbott

At age 26, Abbott was struck by a falling oak tree that injured his back as he jogged by. He has been in a wheelchair ever since.

31 posted on 09/09/2012 12:44:23 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
two others dismissed because the regulations or laws being challenged were lifted or repealed by Congress.

How much you wanna bet that if Texas had not sued, we would still be living under thoses laws. While one can bemoan the costs of the litigation, you should also count the savings of overthrown legislation. A stunningly good investment by the good Texan Leadership.

32 posted on 09/09/2012 12:50:53 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: radpolis

It is also cheap compared to the additional Medicaid expenses Obamacare would force on Texas.


33 posted on 09/09/2012 1:35:56 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Best money we’ve ever spent. EVER!


34 posted on 09/09/2012 2:19:16 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: TLI

I really hope Abbott seriously considers running for Governor when Perry’s term is up. Even injured, his backbone puts Perry’s to shame.


35 posted on 09/09/2012 2:22:26 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

I was going over that very premise yesterday with some folks.

Lt. Gov. Dewhurst is probably going to try for the gov slot.

If Greg takes a stab at it Dewhurst may have a repeat performance of getting “primaried.”

Then again Greg may just stay right where he is and finish his fights.

That does not mean I would not love to see him run for Governor.

Senator Cruz could campaign with Greg... HA!

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36 posted on 09/09/2012 5:21:31 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This Texas expenditure is one of the few things I am all for.

I work for the Legislature but I have to keep my real ID confidential.

We are not allowed to express out viewponts nor are we allowed to campaign for anyone; not even bumper stickers or yard signs.

I do understand thier reasons however.

37 posted on 09/09/2012 7:01:25 PM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: fwdude
I really hope Abbott seriously considers running for Governor when Perry’s term is up. Even injured, his backbone puts Perry’s to shame.

I would like to see somebody take on Perry and the state GOP machine, but I don't think Abbott has deep enough pockets. If they could knock Perry and the GOP machine out of power, it might help make for a much more Conservative Texas legislature, that isn't led by Democrats with an (R) next to their name.

The people who back Perry are mighty powerful and mighty rich, and they are mighty concerned that the Dems are gaining ground in Texas.

With Texas becoming a minority-majority state 6-7 years ago (and Hispanics maybe within a few years of passing up whites), the Dems have been doing a lot of pandering to minorities in Texas.

The people who back Perry are going to make sure Perry has an easy primary next time around if he chooses to run, so they'll probably be looking to knock out anybody that is a threat to him early on. Thankfully the Dems have put up some incompetent candidates in the past few elections, but at some point they'll find themselves somebody competent.
38 posted on 09/09/2012 7:29:50 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Tolkien
This Texas expenditure is one of the few things I am all for.
I work for the Legislature but I have to keep my real ID confidential.
We are not allowed to express out viewponts nor are we allowed to campaign for anyone; not even bumper stickers or yard signs.
I do understand thier reasons however.

You know, that's one thing that pisses me off: you do not lose inalienable rights because of government policy; otherwise they are not unalienable.

Besides which that policy is illegal; TX Constitution:

Art 1, Sec. 8. FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND PRESS; LIBEL.
Every person shall be at liberty to speak, write or publish his opinions on any subject, being responsible for the abuse of that privilege; and no law shall ever be passed curtailing the liberty of speech or of the press. In prosecutions for the publication of papers, investigating the conduct of officers, or men in public capacity, or when the matter published is proper for public information, the truth thereof may be given in evidence. And in all indictments for libels, the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.
Further, absolute disapproval of government is specially protected:
Art 1, Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

39 posted on 10/09/2012 7:22:51 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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