Skip to comments.Akin not far off base in rape comment
Posted on 08/28/2012 9:24:06 AM PDT by Perseverando
Exclusive: Jane M. Orient, M.D., says political demagoguery is replacing science
From what I understand from doctors, thats (conception as a result of rape) really rare. If its a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But lets assume that maybe that didnt work or something, I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child. Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo.
All decent people, including U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin, agree that forcible rape is a heinous crime. Almost all would agree that illegitimate (false) accusations of rape occur theres the case of the Duke lacrosse players, for example.
All reasonable people, including Todd Akin, agree that pregnancy can result from forcible rape but there is scientific disagreement on how likely it is.
A 1988 textbook, the second edition of Human Sex and Sexuality by Edwin B. Steen and James H. Price, estimates a 2 percent pregnancy rate. A 2012 textbook, Comprehensive Gynecology, 6th edition, gives an estimate of between 2 percent and 5 percent and states that in the experience of most sexual assault centers, the chance of pregnancy occurring is quite low. Estimates depend on flawed methods, with inevitable biases. An experiment to give an accurate figure is, of course, impossible. And does the estimate really matter to the woman who has been raped? Either she gets pregnant, or she doesnt.
Is the risk of pregnancy lower with forcible rape, and if so, why? Off the cuff, Todd Akin gave a laymans restatement of the point made by some pro-life physicians that the female body has some defense mechanisms against pregnancy in cases of rape.
The process of fertilization, implantation and maintenance of pregnancy is an intricate...
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And keeping it that way keeps MONEY in the pocket of the PP clinic owners. THERE IS BIG MONEY IN IMMORALITY. Just ask the politicians whom the PP clinic owners donate money to. (not that they would admit it)
You realise that any DR we trot out to say that they can “shut it down”, the Dems will find 5 more that say the opposite?
Odd how the FORCED PREVIEW before making a post doesn't solve the problem.
Re: Good post.
What would make a conservative poster on this site call for silence on this, when theres no way our discussing it will have any effect on the mainstream narrative?
The real point is no matter how many women get pregnant from rape, is that an excuse for providing Taxpayer funded abortions for (women and the men they had sex with) because they find it inconvenient ?
Are we not rewarding irresponsibility ?
Re: And the point trying to be made is what? akin made his point and he is out of politics for good after he loses bigtime.
I think many women took offense (actually, I know they did) about that part of Akin's comments.
The implication they took from it was that WOMEN can choose to shut it down 'consciously'. Those who experienced rape and got pregnant then take think they are being blamed for NOT shutting it down.
Which is erroneous on their part. Getting pregnant is more like a crap shoot. Individual Results are mostly unpredictable. The 'conscious' may guide, but it does not 'control' the body. Your glands generate powerful acids to burn the food you intake, yet you consciously do nothing at all (other than eat) to make this happen.
If you eat food you don't LIKE, your glands don't produce as much of the acid (or the correct acids), and don't digest it as much, preferring to pass it on out as waste. Here again, the BODY takes some DIRECTION from the conscious, but only the BODY decides exactly HOW and WHAT to do about it.
Once again Akins supporters go on to say he apologized for a misstatement, and then go on to try to prove his statement correct.
He said what he meant and meant what he said. A morons a moron 100%
>Sorry, I dont base my decisions on what the media thinks about issues.
I sure as heck don’t either. I’m not running for office or trying to sway fickle and women voters.
What does concern me and the health of America is defeating every possible democrat. akin lost and so will any others that try to play footsie with this media designed rape subject.
Oh if there were just more hours in the day ((sigh))
It doesn;t matter
He was stupid to let a liberal whorenalist interview him on the subject.
You won’t see McCaskill going on Hannity, would you?
Why does anyone in the GOP even talk to the libtards?
Have you heard of the "Delphi Technique", DManA?
Using the Delphi Technique to Achieve Consensus
Some people simply refuse to be manipulated by sly, cunning "facilitators" or "change agents".
Republicans caused this disaster by jumping to conclusions and not heading this off right at the beginning.
After almost every Republican has helped dig a GIANT hole and thrown poor Todd Akin in it, you are screaming “STOP DIGGING”. YOU dug this hole, now lay in it.
Did you even read the article?, by Jane Orient, M.D., the executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.
When are all these Republican COWARDS going to grow a pair? If Republicans had put the press in their place, from the start, this would never have been an issue. But NOOOOOOO, they were scared of the press, so they decided to join them in destroying a fine, pro life conservative, who in-artfully stated FACTS. He was convinced by the powers that be, to apologize and retract poorly worded accurate statements. BOTH mistakes. He should have EXPLAINED what he “MEANT”.
Republicans PANICKED!, and that is why we are where we are.
Of that I have little doubt.
Republicans PANICKED!, and that is why we are where we are.
That is my take as well. It is one reason I am no longer a republican. And the “subtleties” associated with that reason are too numerous to go into here.
You and I are actually in agreement here.
Now, unless one is willing to say that rape is not stressful, then perhaps the body does have a natural defence against it. Naturally, it isn't foolproof, but it would seem that it does lower the risk of unwanted pregnancy in the wake of a forcible rape. I can't say that I'm surprised at all that this is the case.
Concerning Akin, given the garbage that spews out of Biden's mouth on an almost daily basis, I'm not really interested in lynching this guy because if his inarticulate response to an asked question.
I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I’d venture to guess the odds are not significantly different from the odds of getting pregnant in other cases of sexual intercourse.
Indeed, it does.
A majority of the the public is in the same boat as you and I.
For some odd reason, the 'stats' on pregnancy from rape vs. pregnancy from consensual sex seem to be lacking.
I actually found some sources, but most choose to ignore them.
SO.... do you think taxpayers should have to pay for abortions due to the misbehavior of men and women ?
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