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Akin not far off base in rape comment ^ | August 27, 2012 | Jane M. Orient, M.D.

Posted on 08/28/2012 9:24:06 AM PDT by Perseverando

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To: Paved Paradise
Oh if there were just more hours in the day ((sigh))

Or FR had one of these...

61 posted on 08/28/2012 2:21:36 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Lorianne
You do not need to say any of this to maintain a 100% pro-Life position. It is just not neccessary and it HURTS the pro-Life cause.

Bingo !

62 posted on 08/28/2012 2:29:38 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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The real point of this ‘incident’ with Akin is that the public must be kept believing that all rape results in pregnancy.

Respectfully, I think that's a stretch. Yes, behind the pro-abort movement is a lot of money keeping the wheels of PP turning. But I don't see how this particular controversy is directly and conspiratorily related to the notion that all rape results in pregnancy.

63 posted on 08/28/2012 2:38:50 PM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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“For some odd reason, the ‘stats’ on pregnancy from rape vs. pregnancy from consensual sex seem to be lacking.”

Because most rational people realize it’s not relevant!

It’s like defending a person for voter fraud by arguing that since the election was decided by more than 1 vote his fraud didn’t affect the outcome and therefore is was not a big deal.

64 posted on 08/28/2012 2:44:32 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Perseverando
Yep, if we just had the media on our side. Maybe soon, they’ll see the light and take our side. /sarc

I have no doubt that will happen. About the same time that pigs fly and Sarah Palin votes Democrat.

65 posted on 08/28/2012 2:50:18 PM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: philman_36
Some people simply refuse to be manipulated by sly, cunning "facilitators" or "change agents".

The left engages frequently in equivocation, and regardless of how well conservatives may see through it, there are many voters who do not. Conservatives need to not only speak the truth, but do so in such a way that even people who are susceptible to leftist tricks will perceive it correctly.

The way many conservatives respond to the issue of whether a child who is conceived as a product of forcible rape ends up alienating many people who would otherwise support conservatives. A better response would be to respond with a return question: if there were a 'rape exemption' to rules against abortion, how would women who have become pregnant as a result of forcible rape be distinguished from those who become pregnant as a result of consensual sex, aren't happy about it, and are willing to lie in order to get out of it?

Conservatives need to put the focus on the real problem: a lot of people would agree that abortion should only be legal in cases of rape or incest, but don't realize that the real reason leftists push for such exemptions is not because rape and incest actually account for a significant number of pregnancies, but rather because they can use such exemptions to justify many abortions in cases which aren't a result of rape non incest. Similar issues exist with "mother's health" exemptions.

Many leftists claim they want abortion to be "safe, legal, and rare". Many conservatives probably wouldn't have a problem with that, if "rare" meant perhaps dozens of abortions per year in the US, rather than millions. Unfortunately, the leftists who claim they want abortion to be "rare" don't really seem interested in making it so. Conservatives need to focus on the fact that people's avoidance of risky behaviors is greatly affected by their perception of consequences. People who know that sex may result in a pregnancy that they'll be stuck with for nine months will alter their behavior as a result. Not to say there would never be unintended pregnancies, but the more serious the perceived consequences of casual sex, the more reluctant people will be to engage in it.

66 posted on 08/28/2012 4:12:39 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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LOL. Good one. Yeah, I’m one of those who just click the preview button without ever reading...not good, but again, not enough time for perfection.

67 posted on 08/28/2012 5:46:04 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Hodar
Wouldn’t it be nice if the female body would only allow conception based upon a conscious decision?... If I were a Mad Scientist ..

I think you are a Mad Scientist even to conjure up such a weird scenario.

68 posted on 08/28/2012 6:51:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Perseverando

Pro-Life bump

69 posted on 08/28/2012 6:53:20 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: Perseverando
you may be suffering from “low T.”

Unlike you who appear to be suffering from "low IQ." We really don't need more passive-aggressive scientific illiteracy from the likes of you.

70 posted on 08/28/2012 6:55:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Re: Unlike you who appear to be suffering from “low IQ.” We really don’t need more passive-aggressive scientific illiteracy from the likes of you.

But I guess we need it from you? I’m sensing some serious NPD issues.

Oh I’m just so unworthy to be in the presence of someone with such a command of so much liberal pseudo-psycho babble.

71 posted on 08/28/2012 10:46:40 PM PDT by Perseverando (Gun control? It's the OBOTS who are filling up prisons for violent crimes, not the Tea Party.)
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To: Perseverando

Ping for reference

72 posted on 08/28/2012 11:31:32 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Paved Paradise; Perseverando
Apparently, some people just don’t GET that even ovulating women aren’t necessarily going to become pregnant. As the doctor has stated, there is much complexity to this process. It appears as if it isn’t just progressives who get all emotional over certain issues. Nobody is condoning or supporting rape. I don’t know what Akin really MEANT, but fortunately most rapes do NOT result in pregnancy. And let’s face it, the Choice Crowd just uses this as an excuse. Even if we could have a law that said “only in the case of abortion/incest,” they would NOT go with it. They want abortion on demand...when they want it and where they want it.

The impression I get (from what I've heard/read in popular culture) is that a lot of people (not the general public, surely?) have some peculiar beliefs about the female body.

* A woman has a "shelf life" and is worthless if she is "past her expiration date" (whatever that means).

* All women go through menopause at age 40 (yeah, I saw that one touted by a male comedian on late-night television).

* "Don't trust anything that bleeds for seven days and doesn't die." How many women have constant heavy menstrual flow over seven whole days?

* A belief that a woman has "pre-menstrual syndrome" DURING her period (what does the prefix "pre-" mean again?

* A woman can get pregnant 30 days out of any given month (reality: fertility is only a few days out of every month).

* Every woman of childbearing years should, for the pleasure and convenience of all men, be on birth control of some sort, or be willing to abort the child. (Saw this one on a newsgroup or Web site somewhere.)

Supply your own examples. I think the wackiness in popular culture regarding women's bodies came along with the pill and has increased after Roe v. Wade.

It appears as if it isn’t just progressives who get all emotional over certain issues.

The underlying emotional issue is "sex at any time, with no strings attached." That's what's getting people all worked up.

Sex is serious stuff. People aren't giving it its due.

73 posted on 08/28/2012 11:57:08 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

You have no argument with me. People were getting emotional over Akin’s remarks as if he were condoning rape.

74 posted on 08/29/2012 6:15:50 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: UCANSEE2 you think taxpayers should have to pay for abortions...

Where in ANY post I've ever made would you get that idea? An innocent child should not be killed for the behavior of others, period. And I sure as heck oppose being forced to PAY for it! The law currently permits it, and I oppose the law.

75 posted on 08/29/2012 8:52:23 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Perseverando; narses; wagglebee; NYer; Salvation; surroundedbyblue
I think everyone who has been in the pro-life movement a long time knew exactly what Akins was saying. Akin was simply repeating what John Wilke MD had said. Wilke was distinguishing “legitimate” (i.e., forcible) rape from statutory rape, which though illegal is usually consensual and therefore does not induce the stress, psychological and physical trauma that forcible rape creates. And we had all heard for years that pregnancies following rape were rare.

Pregnancy is less likely after rape, leading ob/gyn says

CWN - August 28, 2012

Dr. Thomas Hilgers, a Creighton University obstetrics professor and director of the Pope Paul VI Institute for the Study of Human Reproduction, has revealed that statistics show women are less likely to become pregnant when they are raped than when they engage in consensual intercourse.

Noting that “the emotional impact of rape often clouds a legitimate and truthful discussion,” Dr. Hilgers said that a study of rape victims in Nebraska found that only 1.6% became pregnant, whereas a random sample would have found 2-4% of all women pregnant after an act of intercourse. He concluded that “complex mechanisms of human ovulation and its interaction with stress” could explain the discrepancy.

Dr. Hilgers made his observation in the context of a debate provoked by statements from Rep. Akins, the Missouri candidate for the US Senate, who has come under intense criticism for saying that a woman’s body has methods of preventing pregnancy after rape. Dr. Hilgers emphasized that although some such forces may be at work, they are not under the woman’s control.

Dr. Hilgers also stressed that pregnancies resulting from rape account for only a tiny proportion of all pregnancies, and for less than 0.01% of all abortions. He added: “Furthermore, of those rape victims, 98.4% of them will not be helped in any fashion by abortion; and, for those who are aborted, they are then potentially confronted with a double dose of psychological trauma.”

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76 posted on 08/29/2012 11:06:23 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: Perseverando
gee, who was it who brought up "low T" again? Speaking of tabloid commercial junk "science"...
77 posted on 08/29/2012 6:08:54 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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