Posted on 08/11/2012 10:36:00 AM PDT by Kaslin
It is not something the federal government should be doing anyway. Let the states have their own welfare programs. And let the producers move outta those states.
So, so, so predictable. It will sway a lot of idiot voters as well.
While I love Paul Ryan, I think politically his pick will hurt Romney quite a bit.
I got slammed for that view too last night.
While I like Ryan I have to think of other states. It is not us conservatives which win elections though to some you think it was.
Here in FL we have so many old people and sadly many of them trust the media and do think the AD’s are truthful.
If the GOP act like they did in2008 then it’s over, if they get out there and fight tooth and nail here in FL a state which is must win then we can do it.
I had one poster telling me VA and FL were not southern states, HUH
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I had another tell me to hell with FL.
Emotion thinking does not get us where we need to be and sadly we have so many on both sides whio use emotions and ignorance instead of their brains
Here’s the thing about Ryan . . .I like him. Really do. However, I think he makes Romney’s chance pretty much impossible.
MAYBE if Romney had the upper hand in this race going into this pick. Far from it. The MSM is going to CRUCIFY Ryan. Romney’s almost dead anyway so I guess he had to try a Hail Mary.
Quite frankly, I think the GOP elite now realize they stand no chance in November and that they are positioning Ryan for 2016.
“BIANNA GOLODRYGA: ...but he’s now best-known for his controversial budget proposal,...”
You people made it controversial, our side think it’s common sense.
Let Medicare go totally broke. ObamaCare will take half a billion dollars out of the program and start rationing care for the elderly who the government deems
“non-productive.”
Medicare only benefits the foreign doctors who flood Florida in order to make millions in Medicare fraud. Doctors should quit taking Medicare patients like me because they are pitifully underpaid for their services by Medicare. The Medicare paper-shufflers and the swindlers are the ones making the money.
I think you may be right. Another possibility is that they may have made Ryan a sacrificial lamb in order to preserve the political viability of others like Martinez and Rubio who they may want to run in 2016 or beyond and see as better overall candidates. They surely don’t want them associated with a blowout loss.
I sure hope we are wrong, but I do think this pick turns the election sharply Obama’s favor. Romney may wind up winning fewer states than McCain, and I never would have thought that possible in this cycle.
Romney and Ryan just better make darn sure they can explain this and not wimp out and let the satans in the media paint him the way they want to. It’s time to get nasty with the press and the liberals.
“But Ryan’s plan would actually increase federal spending over the next ten years, from about $3.6 trillion this year to just under $4.9 trillion in 2022.”
This is a plus?! You’ve got to be kidding me.
ryan has one big problem when dealing with the dopes who elect people, he does not subscribe to the adage: tell the people what they want to hear and they never question what you say. If anyone was running an honest election, their mantra would be: The government needs to cut all entitlement and pension programs across the board by 20% immediately just to have a fighting chance of saving the nation. That means across the board, period, no sacred cows, no it is not fair...no nothing. From there they should be projected to go up less than the annual computed CPI, say 1-2% less then the CPI.
After that, the moochers need be told income taxes will be across the board beginning at 5% from dollar one. You get the beneies, you pay. You don’t want an army too bad, pay. You don’t drive, too bad, pay.
Assuming we get our current fiscal program in order with the above, then we can begin making some inroads on the huge debt we have accumulated. First order of business, no more trust funds, everything is pay as you go. Therefore any bonds we owe to ourselves, cancel them which would remove about 5Trillion for the over all debt...so no more accounting gymics about paying interest to ourselves.
I disagree with just about all of your theories.
By picking Ryan, Romney has defined the election to be focused on the economy, federal spending, and debt. That’s what matters most to the largest number of people, R, D, or I, liberal or conservative. It will force Obama to run on the foremost issue on which his record can be judged, and on which he fails miserably.
The Democrats would hae loved to make this election one of Rubio’s past and parentage, or about some bombastic comment made by Christie in the heat of passion. Instead, Romney has them outsmarted and outmaneuvered right from the get go, and this election will be centered on the #1 issue that matters most.
There's that word again. Everything libs don't like is "controversial". Screw them (and that Bianna is easy on the eyes.....).
The Federal government spends 900 billion a year on medicaid/medicare while collecting 100 billion annually thru the medicare portion of the FICA tax. That is a running 800 billion dollar annual deficit.Medicare/medicaid is the bulk of our federal deficit. All else including social security pales to this mother of all entitlements. At least Ryan addresses the issue in his budget plan.How would the vacuous news readers on the networks fill this 800 billion dollar hole. The Dems should choke on their own demagoguery.
Yeah he should have chosen a liberal. That would really get stuff going.
FR is such a goofy place. Supposed conservatives want a conservative for VP then moan that it’s too much!
They scream about the MSM, then they act afraid of them.
As did I. Even if he was the PERFECT GOP VP candidate in terms of conservative positions and personal attributes (he isn't, but close), he still brings the real possibility of subtracting votes. He is a sitting duck in terms of inviting demagoguery.
It is not something the federal government should be doing anyway. Let the states have their own welfare programs. And let the producers move outta those states.
Aren't you confusing Medicare with Medicaid?
I am a Senior citizen and on Social Security and Medicare and believe it it's not free. I paid for it when I was working and am still paying for it. Unlike those who are on Medicaid.
I would have thought that Freepers are more informed
This particular candidate has a neon target-bullseye painted on him. It isn't necessary to pick someone who carries that baggage with him. In fact, it is a guaranteed losing strategy.
The lamestream media is already at it.
I predict that by Tuesday or Wednesday your comment will show up in an Obama ad trying to show what kind of crazy grandma-killers are supporting this guy.
Yeah I am sure you would reduce the spending $17 trillion in just one year. /s>
agreed, last night I tried to point out what states does he give us knowing we need VA and FA, and one poster told me to hell with FL if they don;t vote for us.
HUH Pretty stupiud logic, we need to win not say to hell with the state what we need.
Is WI in play?
Maybe , maybe not, Is VA or FL any more nearer to us winning it now?
Most on here coudln’t careless as they care more about fitting their VIEWS not what others think and want.
Ryan is great, very honest but I remember when he came out with his plan and most on ehre saying yippeee, only to find two weeks later many of those now say he should have shut up for a while.
What this pick tells me is that Ryan is great and the GOP care about the fiscal side, reducing debt and waste.
Is that the top of the majority of the country? We’ll see but having spoken to many people here in FL last night and today and no they’re not in freep land then most are not happy.
Course I await someone saying s stupid comment of”to hell with them” and then call them a name.
you want medicare destroyed,
yep what a winning way to get the states we need like FL
There is a world outsdie freep land you know and telling millions of old people here that medicare should be destroyed will really win them over, ARF.
If what you say is true, and gov’t reformers are unelectable because of seniors, then why does it matter? The USA cannot continue on it’s current fiscal path. Period. If seniors are so dumb and selfish that they will not allow entitlement reform (reforms that will not even effect them, btw) than the country is going to go bankrupt. Ryan is going to make that case, and it has to be made. Romney obviously agrees. It is a time for choosing in America. Do we want to restore American greatness or become A socialist hellhole with shared misery and poverty? If someone like Ryan, a solutions oriented reformer, someone who wants to restore the values and foundations that made America great, can’t be elected, then we are screwed anyway.
Last time a member of the House was on a winning presidential ticket? 1908 -- also the last time the Cubs won the World Series.
Haven't checked the veracity.
Ryan’s paln saves Medicare. The current path bankrupts it. Romney’s plan does not touch current seniors or anyone close to being a senior.
A lot of the more excitable posters thank that we determine elections. Last I looked (on Alexa), this website accounted for 0.025% of web traffic, and Obama won by 6% in 2008. This site is a great place to bat around politically-incorrect conservative ideas, but anyone who thinks it swings elections is getting a little carried away.
To start with I’d repeal the Medicare Part D entitlement - you know the one Dubya and the GOP controlled Congress (including Rep Ryan) voted in. That would save nearly a trillion. Plenty of money to cover the many war vets in need of care.
I agree with you and likeRyan but America is not freep land and saying old people here in this swing state which is a must win are stupid serves no one.
The elderly are a voting bloc we need, yes?
FL is a state we need yes?
If Romney runs as he has been then say good night and the GOP blames Ryan like they did with Sarah.
However if the GOP gets some balls then we might win this.
I’ve seen nothing to tell me that the GOP has any balls let alone get some bigger ones.
I ask you now , Ryan is great for us socially and fiscal, now he is what we agree with.
Now outside of freep land on the streets, here in FL and VA will elderly come out and vote more for Ryan?
Will Hispanics?
will women?\
Wil single women?
Will married women, I think so on that if we get the message out there.
Will students? Probaly only the Ron Paul lot.
Will FL come to us?
Will VA, CO, NM, come to us now, are we any nearer to getting those states?
Honestly , ask yourself that when you know deep down the GOP are cowards who can never even talk about social issues and can only talk the debt because they know they cannot be called a name then, and that goes for most of talk radio.
bangs head on wall
yes I know that, it’s not me on freep landyou have to tell, its the people out there.
Conservatives don’t win the elections? Ok, let’s just stay home then and see if any Republican can win without us.
When Conservatives actually vote, we do win. When Conservatives aren’t exited about a candidate, they stay home and the liberal wins. Which explains why RINOS NEVER win Presidential elections. George Bush Sr is the only one (going back 40 years!) and he only won because Conservatives were dillusional and thought that he would continue the Reagan years. When he reverted to RINO ways, even a victorious war couldn’t save him, because Conservatives were on to him.
Will Romney do to Ryan what mccain did to Palin?
As for Romney picking Ryan, it wouldn’t matter who he picked. The media already had their talking points written on every possible VP candidate.
“I WANT Medicare destroyed. “
DITTOS!!! Welfare is communism! Where does the constitution say the government has the power to steal from one to give to another???
!!! NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION !!!
Government at all levels must be reduced to almost nothing. that means immediately abolishing the IRS, then the EPA, then the government schools, then welfare, then medicaid, then public housing (HUD). And then keep going at all levels of government until 99% of these freedom robbing and prosperity killing government agencies ( monstrosities) are no more.
Why do democrats trust government? Look at the hell that government created with the government public housing projects, the government schools, the IRS , the EPA, shall I go on?
This is America. Give me liberty or give me death. I hate government and government bureaucrats
[ bangs head on wall
yes I know that, it’s not me on freep landyou have to tell, its the people out there. ]
Isn’t that the point of picking Ryan?
“Isn’t that the point of picking Ryan?”
No VP pick is about politicial ideas. It is ALWAYS about how many votes will the candidate pick up for the ticket. Love ‘em or hate ‘em, Ryan will add many votes to the ticket.
". . . some key [events] exacerbated the national debate, fraying trust, and national cohesion just a little more each time . . . The two-party system that had governed America . . . begin to fall apart . . . interest in politics took the place of all other forms of news-related entertainment . . . politicians were the celebrities . . . [Politics/ideology] was becoming such a habit, the reactions so automatic, that [journalists] taking sides on every news story became inevitable."
..from for Love & Liberty by Robin Young and it's about 1857 America. [my emphasis]
All that is happening now is proof that Lincoln saw it from 160 years ago.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half [statist] and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other. Either the opponents of [statism] will arrest the further spread of it and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction, or its advocates will push it forward till it shall become [accepted] in all the states, [Red and Blue], North as well as South.
Where did you find that?
yes but if Romney and the GOP act like they have bene and in 2008 then we’ll let the media cover for their messiah whilst attacking with lies.
[Where did you find that?]
Find what...I can’t find it lol
Amen!
“, it also forecasts uninterrupted budget deficits (and, therefore, a rising national debt) through 2022. Yet not one of the morning shows today carried any suggestion that Ryan should be criticized for taking too mild an approach to the fiscal crisis...”
The Takers continue. Set-up.
Flack. Did these two government selected, stand-up today, and declare to sign a waiver exempting everyone out of Extortion-Care, immediately after taking office, until it’s abolished totally?
If not, all flack, and less freedom. Insider cronyism.
so - obama care is not a tax - and the 500 BILLION obama care takes out of Medicare is not a ‘cut”
Have I got that right?
I think you are a putz.
LOL, the Kenyan is going to get slaughtered but at least you’ll have your dreams.
Mostly the newbies :)
- ignore emotional posters. they cant think straight.
- ignore doom-and-gloomers. nothing is ever good enough for eye-ores.
- Ryan is smart, articulate and conservatives.
gosh, if we had that in a president, we’d be thrilled. This is a great pick.
- I dont disagree that Ryan’s budget is a target, but ...
- VP’s rarely change election races much. Its hogwash to say any state is won or lost on this pick. But it WILL help Romney, if only to shore up conservative support - which he NEEDS - and to make this a BIG ISSUE election.
-Romney will win FL, VA and OH... JMHO, but Obama’s shot his wad by demonizing Romney and went too far, yet the polls are tied. If and when Romney/Ryan hammer home the connection between Obama and our failed economy, the’ll pick up the undecideds.
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