We don’t even know this guy and you proclaim him Schizo? Nothing like prescribing before analyzing, eh, doc?
Well done, thanks.
I bet he’s another case of schizophrenia induced by smoking pot.
“That as many or more people will die in “random” shootings on the streets of major U.S. cities, Chicago in particular, on an average weekend, this July, still escapes the notice of our entertainment news-readers and other media.”
That can’t be used to further their agenda.
That’s what I was thinking. Hard to tell from the sketchy information, but it could be paranoid schizophrenia. Higher functioning than other schizophrenia flavors. Also, more prone to violence. Paranoid schizophrenics are less likely to be affected by mood problems or problems with thinking, concentration and attention.
Time will tell.
My mother is one of these. Of course, this cry is coming mostly from women, who are inherently more safety and protection-oriented.
But the answer is that we can't and shouldn't do anything about this, other than doing what we should have been doing all along - being aware of our surroundings and suspicious of suspicious people. And acting accordingly.
I witnessed this in 2 men in different units I served in my years as an Army chaplain.
One donned all the paraphernalia of a delta force soldier and began stalking others one night. Full blown adult-onset schizophrenia ended up as the diagnosis. He really thought he was on a mission.
Another was an SFC who heard angels in a tree telling him to take over a baptist church down the road from his house. Same thing.
It is real, and I’ve witnessed it. These guys went off their rockers. One dangerous but contained and the other not dangerous but just as looney. In the absence of any other explanation that comes out, this is an excellent starting point.
It is important to undertsand the reasons for things- not to excuse them, but to help prevent them in the future. I have known a bunch of people with schizophrenia. They become truly frightening when they are off their meds. Won’t go into details, but at least one of them I know became violent when off his meds. Others became extremely paranoid and angry, and luckily got help before becoming violent. One of them I had to confront to get help, and he did. I imagine the worst thing is when it first manifests, usually in young life.
My gut tells me he is the classic example of a nerd, kind of a loner, probably heavily into fantasy and role playing, who got attention and was accepted into a group like OWSers.
He no doubt had some kind of mental disorder. He was a lefty afterall.
Not to diminish the MO’s per schizophrenia; but it is unfortunate, that the ‘diseased pattern’ (mentioned here per Obama’s own responses) of Marxism/Liberalism is not examined by serious, truthful inquiry.
I agree with both you and Dr. Charles Krauthammer on this.
God help the parents of this young man. They probably had no clue.
Yes, he does seem to have the classic symptoms. We were discussing that on another thread. Usually hits around this guy’s age. (the type that usually hits young men in their 20s, also hereditary) Maybe that’s why his mother may have made such a comment when she said they had the right person. She knew he was schizophrenic, but there isn’t much she can do about it. Who knows, maybe he was terrorizing the family.
The Black Bloc thing has not been proven, it’s just hearsay.
It does matter if he is schizo—he can claim insanity.
IOW he’s nuts Doc
Crazy or not he needs a swift trial and execution. 30 days should be enough. The man who tried to assassinate President Roosevelt was tried and executed 35 days after he killed Anton Cermack but missed FDR
“On March 20, 1933, after spending only 10 days on Death Row, Zangara was executed in Old Sparky, the electric chair at Florida State Prison in Raiford, Florida.”
Answer me a few questions - I’ll read your link later.
Some are saying they hear voices in their head
Is this all the time or sometime?
What if that voice spoke to him on Thursday to what dress up and go to the movies and tear gas the place
And On Friday, the voice is quiet. Does he move on what he heard thursday or does nothing On Friday because the voice is quiet - or the voice is always jabbering away and never quiet. Any one know is this is one’s own voice speaking to them?
This guy was to take some pain pills before hand - do the voices give them headaches or pain of some sort?
Do schizo like haveing a voice speaking to them in their head and think it is normal? Do they look for it, if it isn’t there.
And I think I read something about healing, is there such a thing for them to be healed? Can they deliberately tell those voices to stop and they obey.
Answer however you can to just enlighten me a bit. I know nothing about it .
Other than the advanced technical prowess of this killer, his actions seem to make a close parallel to Mark David Chapman and his killing of John Lennon. I don’t think Chapman was ever said to be truly mentally ill and I don’t think Holmes is either.
Both had some obsession with fame and/or with a famous person, one real, John Lennon, the other fictional, the Joker. The killings were designed to inexorably link him to the famous person, and demonstrate to the world that he is not just a nobody, but that he is worthy of the same respect and attention the famous person gets. The killings were methodically planned and premeditated with money and effort put into them.
Both of them surrendered to cops without resistance and were to some degree almost bragging to the cops about what they had done, not showing remorse or a desire to cover anything up, at least at first.
Both seemed like “nice guys” to people who knew them and may have been bottling up pent-up aggression for a long time. They were intelligent and functional in life, although Chapman was more successfully socially, less with work and school, Holmes was the reverse. Although both dropped out of school prior to the killings.
Chapman did have a suicide attempt, which for now it seems Holmes never did. Chapman was a drug user, we don’t know if Holmes was, but his Adult Friend Finder page implies he was since he marked “prefer not to answer” on the question about using drugs.
A bigger difference is that Chapman targetted a specific individual he disliked. Holmes targetted random individuals. But both attacks could still be seen as ways to achieve fame. It was the setting and style in Holmes case, rather than the person he targetted. Also, because Holmes had trouble socially which Chapman did not, Holmes may have had feelings of aggression towards humanity at large that Chapman did not share.
“In his 2006 parole board hearing, when asked if he murdered Lennon to become famous, Chapman said “The result would be that I would be famous, the result would be that my life would change and I would receive a tremendous amount of attention, which I did receive... I was in a very confused, dark place. I was looking for reasons to vent all that anger and confusion and low self esteem.””
I don’t know if I’d call it low self-esteem but I’d say both were arrogant enough to think they deserved more attention, power and control than they felt they had. The low self-esteem could come into play in them thinking they had no legitimate way to achieve this and instead had to break the rules of society to set themselves apart from the pack.
I do think the whole idea of Holmes being inspired by a violent movie to kill people is going to fall by the wayside. If that were the case, it could have been him imitating some violent act from some obscure horror movie no one has ever seen. This looks much more like Holmes trying to associate himself with something famous, in this case the star character of one of the most popular movies of the last few years as well as the big media event of the opening night of its equally high-profile sequel.
It also might be relevant that Holmes had to specifically target this date to enact his plan. So this may have affected the timing of his actions over the past few months.
Schizophrenic?? More likely “Manipulated Apathy” than schizoid (schizoids are rarely violent).
...but you’d have to be into neuroscience to know about MA experiments.
There’s no evidence at all this guy is a schiz. Nacissistic, histrionic and schizoid yes, but not schiz. In short he is a spoiled rotten little shthd, that lashed out at the world, because they failed to idolize him.