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Christie Embraces Online Sales Tax
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 16th | WSJ Staff

Posted on 07/16/2012 2:24:56 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

In a dramatic change, Republican governors — including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie — are supporting sales taxes on online purchases in an attempt to send more revenue to state coffers.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: christie; ecommerce; establishment; floriduh; gope; gopenablers; internettax; momonemomoneymomoney; taxandspend; taxes; taxincrease
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Not all that long ago, I wrote that the term "GOP-E" means GOP-Enablers:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2896693/posts

And here it is. Watch. Days from now, weeks from now, months from now, years from now, some leftist, some Obamunist wannabe, whoever the next Harry Reid is, the current Harry Reid, whoever.....

Is gonna go to the podium and say "we need internet taxes across the board, and this is a bipartisan issue. both democrats, and republicans have called for internet taxes, so it must be done."

Or however it will end up being worded.

This is GOP-E Enabling of leftist causes. Chris Christie, you are the progressive enabler of the day.

We need to continually primary these big government republicans out of existence. We cannot afford this anymore! Republicans are screwing this country as fast as the democrats are, and we conservatives stand alone.

1 posted on 07/16/2012 2:25:02 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Christie is a major disappointment. But then again, so is the Republican Parry in general.


2 posted on 07/16/2012 2:31:25 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy

True.

The only thing that can potentially be said in defense of this is how it’s being done willingly on the part of Amazon.

That’s simply not good enough.

We know what progressives do. We know the types of things they will say. We know how this will be used in the future.

I hope Christie is a one termer, and never comes back into our lives again.(in a political sense)


3 posted on 07/16/2012 2:34:47 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
No matter what party, I have never seen a tax that politicians don't like, endorse or vote for. Much of congress and all of the administration could be tried for corruption under the RICO statues.

5.56mm

4 posted on 07/16/2012 2:38:36 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Why is anyone surprised at this?
Christie is Big Government LIBERAL!
A Northeastern RINO. Like the Bushies and Mittens.


5 posted on 07/16/2012 2:41:53 PM PDT by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: M Kehoe

Mail-order catalog sales never had to pay sales tax,
because of the added cost of shipping and handling.

How are internet sales any different?

(Government needs to spend less, not kill a new industry.)


6 posted on 07/16/2012 2:42:08 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Savage is right, the only difference between the democrats and the GOP is purely cosmetic.


7 posted on 07/16/2012 2:42:20 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

My governor (Rick Snyder , Michigan) is also a supporter.


8 posted on 07/16/2012 2:45:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I'll say it again even tho I've said it many times before:

What do you want? A heart attack(D) or cancer(R)??

It's all the same to me. I know I'm going to die, sooner or later.Choose your poison.

FMCDH(BITS)

9 posted on 07/16/2012 2:45:28 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

This is another reason I don’t like Christie.
What is so darn wrong with choking off spending? Why is it that politicians have to tax everything that moves and half of what’s dead?
Flip it around and cut back your state taxes. See how many companies relocate and provide new jobs.... jobs for people that pay taxes. Be competitive not punitive.


10 posted on 07/16/2012 2:45:59 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: SpaceBar
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11 posted on 07/16/2012 2:46:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Macoozie

I’m not surprised. I’m furious.

I’m furious at the merits of the argument at hand, but also because of the enablement aspect.

We have got to change the GOP into a party of bold colors, and get rid of these pale pastels.

As it stands right now, outside of the new 2010 tea party candidates America does not have two parties(and a handful of others doing great work, such as Demint)


12 posted on 07/16/2012 2:47:12 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly!

Republicans are more than happy to compromise with progressives, but they very rarely compromise with conservatives.


13 posted on 07/16/2012 2:48:43 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Christie has done some good things but his problem, he is still a RINO country club executive/establishment type who is out of touch. One good thing from Christie was he pretty well eliminate state safety inspections for cars.


14 posted on 07/16/2012 2:51:04 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

FUCC


15 posted on 07/16/2012 2:51:27 PM PDT by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I have an honest question.... Let’s say I open a business, take on overhead, employees, etc. Then some guy in another state does the same, but undercuts me on price through the internet. Wouldn’t I want a sales tax to protect my business? Create an even playing field?


16 posted on 07/16/2012 2:58:05 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Reagan69

Good thing Christie’s last name starts with a “C” instead of a “K”.... !


17 posted on 07/16/2012 2:59:09 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Forget new taxes -

STOP THE SPENDING!!!

The majority of gov't spending is a just money-laundering schemes for leftist politicians. Eliminate the programs, eliminate the spending, eliminate the left.

18 posted on 07/16/2012 3:00:42 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: 11th Commandment

-—————Wouldn’t I want a sales tax to protect my business?——————

No.

You would want to work to lower the taxes in your own state. That way your state has as low of tax burden as his state does.

And!!!!! And, you would want to sell your own stuff online as well. Now you have an even playing field.

The answer is *NOT* to punish the other guy. Because in the process of punishing the other guy, you punish us all.

That’s what progressives do.


19 posted on 07/16/2012 3:01:52 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
A candid comment from your typical "moderate" voter on the race to fill Thad McCotter's seat (Who was himself a less than ideal congressman that conservatives compromised to support)

"I and a lot of Republicans I know won't vote for a tea party guy," said attorney David Zacks of Bloomfield Hills, strolling past the expensive boutique shops of downtown Birmingham with his son during a recent lunch hour.

These scumbags flap their gums with holier than thou moralism about us puritans needing to support their guy but when it comes right down to it, they are the true purists who won't support anything less than their mild liberalism.
20 posted on 07/16/2012 3:03:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Not much to say except: Fat ass blow hard.


21 posted on 07/16/2012 3:05:11 PM PDT by vortigern
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I live in TN. We have a use law as most states do. If I buy something online I’m technically required to fill out a form and mail the sales tax to the state.

The state has no way of tracking individual purchases but they will audit businesses.

Where I work we pay thousands in use tax each month on out of state purchases.


22 posted on 07/16/2012 3:05:42 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I would agree that your answer is the only logical answer. Instead of Businesses wining, compete on the internet.


23 posted on 07/16/2012 3:10:07 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: 11th Commandment

So the entrepreneur that finds a better (cheaper) way of doing the same business as you, should be penalized with a tax added to his customer’s bill?


24 posted on 07/16/2012 3:10:27 PM PDT by moovova (Ladies & Gentlemen...Pandora has left the box.)
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To: 11th Commandment
Then some guy in another state does the same, but undercuts me on price through the internet.

That's how the free market works and a true free marketeer will seek a means of remaining competitive without calling in favors from the federal mob.
25 posted on 07/16/2012 3:11:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I have long said that applying state sales taxes for online retail sales is almost a no-brainer. I don't like paying taxes any more than anyone else does, but if retail sales are taxed than all similar retail sales should be taxed. Without this sort of system in place, local businesses are often at a competitive disadvantage against out-of-state (or even out-of-country) competitors.
26 posted on 07/16/2012 3:12:33 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: 11th Commandment
Wouldn’t I want a sales tax to protect my business? Create an even playing field?

Yes, YOU would want that, but your CONSUMER would not want YOUR idea of a "level" playing field.

Instead of taxing your opponent, the free market should decide. How is he able to under cut you? Is it that his product is lesser quality? Is he trying to sell at a loss? Or, does he have a better business model than you?

If your product/business is better, than you will develop a reputation as having a better product. This forces your competition to either go out of business, or strive to develop a better business/product. If your competition improves, or your competition was better to begin with, then it forces you to make a better business/product.

This is how innovation comes about. The consumer gets the best products at the best price. The businessman runs his business in order to gain the most consumers for the most profit.

When government gets involved....it becomes SNAFU. When you open the door and welcome taxes, be sure more than you expect will follow. Along with taxes comes regulation. Of course, don't expect your competition to sit idly by and watch you destroy him.......he is going to lobby to raise taxes and regulation against YOU.

Under this leftist model (think GM and GE) the object isn't product innovation, but government/regulatory innovation. The consumer gets inferior products at a ridiculous price; not to mention, the "law of unintended consequences" that screws over businesses/products that aren't even related to yours.

27 posted on 07/16/2012 3:13:40 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: 11th Commandment

That’s exactly right. It gets even more bizarre when you have online sales items shipped through facilities in states where no tax is applied to most online purchases. In New Jersey, for example, products shipped to customers through the new Amazon distribution center will eventually be subject to New Jersey sales tax ... but they will probably not be subject to any sales tax if they are shipped across the state line to Pennsylvania. This makes no sense at all.


28 posted on 07/16/2012 3:16:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: moovova

In my opinion, the smoking ban in Michigan bars should be nullified. Number 1 its not constitutional. Number 2 is the fact that the casinos lobbied for it, yet got an exemption from the law themselves.

Its a classic case of business using government to harm the competition. In this case the competition was the smallest businessmen of them all.


29 posted on 07/16/2012 3:18:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: moovova

That’s a valid point, but it may only be “better (cheaper)” because of a provision in the state tax code. That’s hardly a ringing endorsement for a “better/cheaper” way of business.


30 posted on 07/16/2012 3:19:13 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Repeat Offender
You've made a great case to eliminate the sales tax entirely. What you have not done, however, is demonstrate how having a state government apply sales taxes differently for the same product is somehow a "free market" at work.
31 posted on 07/16/2012 3:22:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: cripplecreek; Repeat Offender; moovova; Halfmanhalfamazing

All- good answers to my honest question. The same logic would apply to free trade and I support free trade.


32 posted on 07/16/2012 3:23:26 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
What does the person who pays the sales tax for an online purchase get in return for those taxes paid? I could see with a brick and mortar store the taxes go towards snow plowing, upkeep of the roads leading to the store, local police and fire protection, etc.

But with online purchases, the state does nothing - this is just a naked grab for more of our money.

33 posted on 07/16/2012 3:28:23 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

And Ann Coulter swoons....


34 posted on 07/16/2012 3:29:24 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Fledermaus

I recall around 2006 that North Carolina cooperated with TN tax authorities to get the names/addresses of those who bought furniture at the factories there. The TN residents were just a little surprised when they received a tax bill.


35 posted on 07/16/2012 3:31:28 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: capydick
But with online purchases, the state does nothing

For the state the purchaser resides in, it still provides services in the state where the business resides, but it doesn't get the benefit, unless it gets the sales taxes from the business....but how is that business going to get those taxes from the purchaser, as would be the case in a brick-and-mortar purchase.

However, the other side of the coin is that since having out-of-state consumers is an advantage to online businesses that the brick-and-mortar businesses don't have...the online business should be happy to pay the sales taxes without having to get them from the out-of-state purchasers, it's just a cost of doing business around the country/globe.

36 posted on 07/16/2012 3:34:40 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Amazon is complicit in this, and it is a pretty lousy anti-competitive thing for them to be doing. They will be able to handle it as a multi billion dollar company, but it buts an onerous regulatory burden on all the mom and pop and small retailers who will be subjected to collecting sales tax for the 49 states they don’t live in. Big business in cahoots with big government is a recipe for disaster.


37 posted on 07/16/2012 3:34:46 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: cripplecreek
That's how the free market works and a true free marketeer will seek a means of remaining competitive without calling in favors from the federal mob.

Except that, in the example, the out-of-state guy is not undercutting the in-state guy on price, quality, or service. The only advantage the out-of-state guy has is that he does not need to charge sales tax, but the in-state guy does. Assuming that both the out-of-state guy and the in-state guy charge the same amount for the same item, that means that the out-of-state guy's products automatically cost the consumer ~3-8% less (depending on the state), purely because of differing tax rules. That is NOT a "free market" situation, that is a disparity CREATED BY the government.

Also, it's worth noting that in nearly every state, internet purchases (and mail order purchases, etc) ARE taxed. Merchants are not required to collect the taxes, but people are supposed to report such purchases (although, of course, many don't). In some ways, these proposals are really tax collection measures rather than new taxes.

38 posted on 07/16/2012 3:34:57 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: GreyHoundSailor

I remember that. Also, last year or two years ago TN increased tobacco taxes and actually put police on the border with KY to “catch” crossers buying cheaper cigarettes.


39 posted on 07/16/2012 3:36:36 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: capydick

They get healthcare, of course. hehe

*ducks*

:-)

(end sarcasm) I agree. Your observation is excellent.


40 posted on 07/16/2012 3:37:39 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: GreyHoundSailor
Lamar Alexander is working with Dick Durbin(?!?) to make this happen:

From the WSJ:

Seizing on the recent political shift, Sen. Lamar Alexander, a Tennessee Republican, and co-sponsors from both parties are attempting to speed up action on a bill they wrote to give states authority to compel online companies to collect sales taxes.

41 posted on 07/16/2012 3:39:22 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: Repeat Offender
Instead of taxing your opponent, the free market should decide. How is he able to under cut you? Is it that his product is lesser quality? Is he trying to sell at a loss? Or, does he have a better business model than you?

Under the current taxation rules, your opponent doesn't need to do anything to undercut you. If he sells the same quality product, at the same price, his product will cost the consumer ~3-8% less than yours, simply because he is out of state and you are not.

When government gets involved....it becomes SNAFU. When you open the door and welcome taxes, be sure more than you expect will follow. Along with taxes comes regulation. Of course, don't expect your competition to sit idly by and watch you destroy him.......he is going to lobby to raise taxes and regulation against YOU.

You're right. Excelt that government is ALREADY involved. The taxation rules already set by the government give out of state merchants an advantage. Taxing internet purchases may not be a free market solution, but leaving the current system in place may not be a free market solution either.

42 posted on 07/16/2012 3:41:51 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: CondorFlight

Agreed and true, but when it comes to spending and thus the necessity of new and more revenue politicians can see their way around reality.


43 posted on 07/16/2012 3:42:37 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I wonder if Romney’s aware enough to remove Christie from consideration as VP because of this statement.


44 posted on 07/16/2012 3:47:12 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Alberta's Child
You've made a great case to eliminate the sales tax entirely. What you have not done, however, is demonstrate how having a state government apply sales taxes differently for the same product is somehow a "free market" at work.

I'm more in favor of getting rid of income tax vice getting rid of sales tax.

However, to answer how this is the "free market at work" --

In states that are more "free" say comparing South Carolina, to California....businesses are free to move to states such as South Carolina where products are not priced higher via tax in order to pay for entitlement programs and "high-speed" rail to nowhere. This is the free market. It would also aid in forcing stupid states to stop spending money unwisely so they would be enticed to lower taxes in order to compete with lower taxed states.....This is the free market.

California is free to tax products sold in their state however it wants. South Carolina is free to tax products in their state however it wants. However, trying to tax out of state purchases is akin to tariffs between the states and would be "interstate commerce" in its truest sense (vice the garbage infringement Kongress attempts to call it) and should be regulated as such....ie, there should be no taxes at the state level for items sold across state lines.

South Carolinians purchasing items from California via the internet should not pay either SC or CA sales tax. Neither should Californians purchasing items via the internet pay either CA or SC sales tax. This would be equal application under the law and your "free market at work."

Now, if you really wanted to be "fair" and have a "free market"......we would end taxes on productivity (income taxes both state and fed) and implement a Fair Tax on consumption (state and fed sales tax) that were applied evenly to all end user goods and services (yes; food and clothes too - this prevents lobbyists from determining their product is "essential" but not others).

Taking one unfair policy or tax and implementing another to counter it is not fair, the free market, nor a conservative principle. I didn't vote for New Jersey's stupidity because I don't live there..........don't make me pay their damn taxes.

45 posted on 07/16/2012 3:51:16 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

see 45


46 posted on 07/16/2012 3:52:22 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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47 posted on 07/16/2012 3:52:39 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
global taxing authority = global government.

We get a step closer. I give it 5 years.

48 posted on 07/16/2012 3:55:26 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Repeat Offender

And to further complicate matters, not all sales taxes are created equal. Here in Michigan we have a 6% sales tax and some states have no sales tax.


49 posted on 07/16/2012 4:00:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Repeat Offender
Taking one unfair policy or tax and implementing another to counter it is not fair, the free market, nor a conservative principle. I didn't vote for New Jersey's stupidity because I don't live there..........don't make me pay their damn taxes.

No one is asking you to pay New Jersey's taxes. An internet tax would apply the sales tax of the state in which the purchaser sits. If you're in SC, and you buy over the internet, you pay no tax, just as you would pay no tax if you walked down the street to purchase the same good. So, in competing for your business, the out-of-state internet company gains no artificial benefit.

Likewise, if you're in NY, and you buy something over the internet, you would pay NY tax, just as you would if you walked down the street to buy the same thing. Again, in competing for your business, the out-of-state internet company would gain no artificial benefit (as they do currently).

50 posted on 07/16/2012 4:00:53 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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