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Christie Embraces Online Sales Tax
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 16th | WSJ Staff

Posted on 07/16/2012 2:24:56 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Assuming that both the out-of-state guy and the in-state guy charge the same amount for the same item, that means that the out-of-state guy's products automatically cost the consumer ~3-8% less (depending on the state), purely because of differing tax rules.

Unless, of course, you have to pay to ship the item (which you usually do). And you have to wait for delivery. So the trade-off seems appropriate: 3-8% less in up-front price, but the cost of shipping and the delay of a day or three. Seems fair...

61 posted on 07/16/2012 5:09:23 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: 11th Commandment

Interstate commerce. I would love to have a tariff to protect me too.


62 posted on 07/16/2012 5:16:34 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing; xzins

I would not be opposed to it as long as the interstate rate is from the point of sale rather than the point of purchase. Then all the online retailers would move to states with low or no sales tax. It would force states with high sales taxes to attempt to adopt a lower rate.


63 posted on 07/16/2012 5:28:41 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I would support that, and it makes much more sense. The sellers would see some benefit.


64 posted on 07/16/2012 5:31:49 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I was just thinking taxes are WAY too low. :)


65 posted on 07/16/2012 6:19:11 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: P-Marlowe; Halfmanhalfamazing

Christie is just another tax and spend liberal.

He is already known not to be a social conservative.

His willingness to increase fees on drivers and this agreement with increased taxes says he’s not a fiscal conservative.

I guess Ann Coulter must love him cause he’s squeezably soft. She has no case to make about his conservatism.


66 posted on 07/16/2012 6:26:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SpaceBar

The Democrat today is the New Democrat Red Commie loving party of 60s radicals who became the establishment.

The GOP today is infested with 1990s and 2000s Democrats who became RINOs.

There is a difference between the parties but there are far too many Democrats on the ballot in both parties.


67 posted on 07/16/2012 6:45:16 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Just like a good little RINO.


68 posted on 07/16/2012 6:56:45 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: MrShoop

No, no, no you’re doing it wrong. The sales tax requirements would be limited to states where that business has a particular physical presence so unless “mom and pop” Inc is located in 49 states, they wouldn’t be concerned with any other states than the one that the reside in.

One of the reasons that Amazon is mentioned so frequently is because they have large distributing facilities in a variety of states and as a result would be subject to a larger overall impact...not that they wouldn’t pass the cost down to the consumer of course.


69 posted on 07/16/2012 8:15:31 PM PDT by PhxTM06
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Online business is no different than mail order business. If you order something FROM your state that is shipped TO the same state, you pay sales tax. If you order something from another state, you don't.

Mail order companies had to pay for their appearance in print publications, just like online companies have to pay for ther appearance on the internet.

Nothing has changed, and this issue is unmitigated bullshit. Anyone who supports it isn't thinking straight. Some people never met a tax they didn't like. No thanks.

70 posted on 07/16/2012 8:32:19 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: 11th Commandment
Government's job isn't to 'create' a level playing field. You're store has a lot of advantages: namely, someone can walk right in and buy a product and get support for it. For his shop, they have to wait a few days, pay shipping costs, and not get any in-person interaction.

Further, if all you are doing is buying something from a manufacturer, marking it up and waiting for customers to walk in, well, FU and F you're business model, too. You deserve to go down along with other historical industries like the horse-pulled chariot and gas lanterns.

IF you're still buttmad about it - why don't you try undercutting his prices and selling without sales tax to people in his state?

Another dollar paid in sales tax is another dollar the government can use to do awful things with. The less dollars they have the better.

71 posted on 07/16/2012 9:43:32 PM PDT by 92nina
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To: PhxTM06
You are describing the law as it stands today, not what Amazon is pushing, and what is currently moving through congress (was Main Street Fairness Act, now is Marketplace Fairness Act). The proposal is that all online sales would be taxed, regardless of physical location. Now that Amazon is in more and more states, and having to pay sales tax, it is now a competitive disadvantage to other online sellers that are in a single state, so Amazon is helping get everyone taxed so they are not at a disadvantage. That's why they are doing these little one or two year deals with California and New jersey - they are just stalling while waiting for the national legislation. This article has a good explanation of what is going on:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/530681-amazon-s-billion-dollar-payday-nearing-thanks-to-marketplace-fairness-act

72 posted on 07/16/2012 10:26:25 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: 11th Commandment

I have an honest question.... Let’s say I open a business, take on overhead, employees, etc. Then some guy in another state does the same, but undercuts me on price through the internet. Wouldn’t I want a sales tax to protect my business? Create an even playing field?

Why can’t you compete with the other guy that also has overhead and employees? If your market can be served through the internet then do so and forget the storefront model. Using government to limit competition is just evil. Only companies that should be eliminated pursue that agenda.


73 posted on 07/17/2012 3:26:23 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Under the current taxation rules, your opponent doesn’t need to do anything to undercut you. If he sells the same quality product, at the same price, his product will cost the consumer ~3-8% less than yours, simply because he is out of state and you are not.

Everyone is out of state for most of their customers. Who is going to reimburse the online seller for the massive headache of collecting the sales tax and filing quarterly with every state in the union when they may have no or little tax from most of those states?


74 posted on 07/17/2012 3:34:58 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Without this sort of system in place, local businesses are often at a competitive disadvantage against out-of-state (or even out-of-country) competitors.

That was the argument used by brick-n-mortar shops, but it's going to turn out to be false. Amazon has decided to start charging state tax because it is planning to put up new warehouses everywhere, so it can provide overnight shipping everywhere and same day in a lot of places for free. The local business are going to find out that Amazon can pay the tax and still ship the merchandise to your door cheaper than the local store can sell it.

Better price, more convenience. Amazon wins.

I do believe that this is made possible by advances in pricing, showing higher prices to folks in NYC where shipping and warehouse prices are higher. The prices will still be lower than what you find in the stores in Manhattan.

75 posted on 07/17/2012 7:15:19 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

That’ll help your cruddy state short time, fatso, but then what will you do when you use that sales tax money to expand your state’s government?

You’re not even good enough to be called a RHINO!


76 posted on 07/17/2012 9:49:02 AM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

how very George H W Bush of him.

This is beyond stupid.

They might be able to snag useful idiots like amazon or ebay, but they will not be able to snare overseas sellers.


77 posted on 07/17/2012 1:07:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: vortigern

how many of his outbursts are fake set ups?


78 posted on 07/17/2012 1:18:55 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“We lived like that “Happy Family“ you sometimes see in traveling zoos: a lion caged with a lamb. It is a startling exhibit but the lamb has to be replaced frequently.”

-Robert A. Heinlein, Have Spacesuit will Travel.

Idiots like Christie are just the lambs with the lion. Same as any other useful idiot RINO/Moderate.


79 posted on 07/17/2012 1:36:30 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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