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Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study
Foxnews.com ^ | 7/10/12 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 07/10/2012 12:12:26 PM PDT by Sleeping Freeper

A Phoenix man who violated city zoning laws by hosting a Bible study in the privacy of his home has started serving a 60-day jail sentence for his crimes.

Michael Salman was found guilty in the City of Phoenix Court of 67 code violations. He was sentenced to 60 days in jail along with three years of probation and a $12,180 fine. A spokesperson for the city attorney confirmed that Salman reported to a county jail Monday afternoon.

Members of Salman’s Bible study group posted video of their teacher as he self-reported to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. It was an emotional scene.

“We believe that people should not be prohibiting other people from having Bible studies in their homes,” Salman said outside the jail. “We believe what they are doing is wrong. It’s private property. It’s our home.”

Salman embraced some of his Bible study members before offering final remarks.

“At the very end, after all is said and done, God will ultimately have glory in this,” he said. “We do this for the glory of the Lord.”

Someone off camera could be heard remarking, “I love you, pastor.”

Salman’s incarceration is the result of a long-running feud between the ordained pastor and the city of Phoenix over weekly Bible studies that Salman and his wife hosted in their home. City officials determined that the weekly gatherings constituted a church – and therefore violated a number of code regulations.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; 2012; arizona; biblestudy; firstamendment; govtabuse; pastor; phoenix; rapeofliberty; tyranny; zoning
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1 posted on 07/10/2012 12:12:31 PM PDT by Sleeping Freeper
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To: Sleeping Freeper

OK, so why is Sheriff Joe doing this?


2 posted on 07/10/2012 12:18:57 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Sleeping Freeper

File this under “Things You Just Don’t Want To Believe”.


3 posted on 07/10/2012 12:19:12 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: Sleeping Freeper

To bad he isn’t an illegal, a black militant, gay, transgendered and or a public union member.


4 posted on 07/10/2012 12:21:33 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Would they DARE prosecute a muslim for running a mosque out of his home?


5 posted on 07/10/2012 12:26:55 PM PDT by MeganC (If you are hell-bent on delaying maturity you will likely succeed.)
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To: ozzymandus
OK, so why is Sheriff Joe doing this?

This isn't Sheriff Joe's jurisdiction. It's a Phoenix city ordinance, not a Maricopa County ordinance.

6 posted on 07/10/2012 12:27:24 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Running in circles and screaming is not a strategy.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
False reporting at its finest. This guy is not going to jail for having a bible study. He is going to jail because he's an inflexible jerk who wants to build a 4000sf building in his back yard. Here's the rest of the story

Michael Salman wants to build a church in his backyard. His neighbors aren't buying it
7 posted on 07/10/2012 12:28:00 PM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: ozzymandus

There’s quite a bit more to this story. A thread was posted yesterday, I believe. I’m hopeless when it comes to the search function here. It seems the guy really ticked off all his neighbors. Claiming things like he was going to build a church in his back yard, etc.. Perhaps a more adept reader can find that thread?


8 posted on 07/10/2012 12:29:29 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: ozzymandus

The sheriff doesn’t get to pick and choose who goes to jail in any jurisdiction.


9 posted on 07/10/2012 12:34:05 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: SandyInSeattle

It wouldn’t matter if it was his jurisdiction. The sheriff puts people in the county jail who have been convicted in municipal, county or state courts.


10 posted on 07/10/2012 12:38:37 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: slumber1

I knew there had to be more to the story.


11 posted on 07/10/2012 12:41:38 PM PDT by John D
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To: ozzymandus

It ain’t Sheriff Joe - it’s the damned police and city hall.


12 posted on 07/10/2012 12:44:57 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: slumber1
He is going to jail because he's an inflexible jerk who wants to build a 4000sf building in his back yard.

How big is his back yard ?

Looks like a church already, to me.

Nice Driveway.

Maybe he just needs more room.


13 posted on 07/10/2012 12:50:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
How many people were routinely showing up at these 3 times/week bible studies in his 2,000 sg ft garage?

I'm guessing his neighbors were not happy.

14 posted on 07/10/2012 12:50:36 PM PDT by gdani
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To: slumber1
Wrong. Look at the date on that piece.

He's already built a small building in his back yard - not a church. He built it because he was told he could not have bible studies in his house.

He has over four acres of land. His house and land are well separated from neighbors.

He uses the little building in the back to host a weekly bible study. The building is sound proof, and nothing that goes on in the building can be heard by neighbors. All cars coming to his house are parked on his property. The neighbors are the jerks here, not this man or his family.

15 posted on 07/10/2012 12:55:47 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: gdani
How many people were routinely showing up at these 3 times/week bible studies in his 2,000 sg ft garage?

At least 8.

16 posted on 07/10/2012 12:55:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: slumber1
The rest of the story starts out with prejudicial information unrelated to the specifics of this case. That wasn't necessary.

This is a glaring example:

This country was settled by people who wanted the freedom to practice their faith as they saw fit. But there's a reason the Pilgrims had to get out of Europe, and it's the same reason Michael Salman is encountering so much resistance from his neighborhood.

At the time the pilgrims left England, there was a state run church. Those who didn't want to follow the exact edicts of the church were imprisoned and executed. That isn't even close to what is going on here, so the mere comparison is evidence of the writer being a whacked out prejudiced nit-wit.

Being imprisoned for being a unreasoned lout, IS NOT the same thing as being imprisoned or executed because you disagree with a dictate of the state church.

What drives this man, or his specific behaviors that differ from that of the writer, are also unrelated to this matter, in that this is not why the man is being taken to task by the law. We shouldn't be reviewing his fervor here. We should be reviewing what he has done that warrants intervention. Unfortunately this is a point lost on the writer of the Rest of the Story. Fervor is only a problem when it is forced on others.

The fact that this guy is on fire, isn't the problem. His religion isn't the problem. The fact he wants to witness to others isn't either. It's when the pursuit of his rights begins to push back the rights of others, that a problem arises. And that is what should be addressed, without the personal barbs.

Congregating should be arranged so that the size of the group does not impact other people. A church side room would be appropriate if the group is large. Even then, some consideration should be given to how loud and frequent the meetings will be, and whether neighbors will be impacted too frequently to be considered reasoned.

If a group of four to six wants to meet for prayer meetings or religious study, it should be fine. It would be even better if the host home were switched up among the participants, so that neighbors of one home aren't always subject to noise or a street with no parking spaces on a frequent basis.

As Christians we should expect to have rights, and to be free to exercise them. At the same time, we need to be good neighbors.

The Christian religion is focused in part on witnessing. What type of message is conveyed if a Christian is so careless that he turns his neighbors off not only to him and his group, but in all likelihood to Christ Himself.

Moderation in all things... Salman needs to rethink his approach.

17 posted on 07/10/2012 12:57:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: gdani
Another guy hiding behind the Bible.

If he wanted to build a church or meeting house why did he apply for a "game room"? Not very honest of him.

I wonder how much he collects each week from the hundreds who cycle through.

18 posted on 07/10/2012 12:59:03 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Thanks for the pics - THAT ain't no 'small building' as I was told about.
19 posted on 07/10/2012 1:00:00 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: slumber1

From the article you cited:

“The real problem is that Salman is intent on building a church in his own backyard — and not just any church, but a 4,200-square-foot building that will sit only a few feet from his neighbor’s property line.”


20 posted on 07/10/2012 1:00:36 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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