You Decide: Obama's Really Cool Train vs. Keystone's Real Cool Jobs

Townhall.com ^ | July 8, 2012 | Mark Baisley

[Kaslin]

Four California Democratic State Senators joined twelve Republican State Senators last Friday in voting against funding for a new high speed train and rail line.  But that only brought the opposition vote to 43% in the lopsided Democratic California Senate.

California continues to set new records in accumulated debt for a single state, now in the hundreds of billions of dollars.  Only the State of New York is able to top California and only in one area; debt per citizen.

There is one good argument for the California State Senate to have passed the bill approving $4.7 billion in spending.  It obligates the other 49 states to send $3.2 billion of their money in matching federal funds for the project.  The Obama Administration committed that level of funding in 2009 primarily from his economic stimulus project.  This is in addition to the $2.3 billion dollars already paid into the rail project from Obama’s American Recovery and Investment Act.

It could seem like a prudent move by the California legislators, wrangling 25% of the $20 billion already committed to the 520 mile speedy choo-choo, except for one detail.  The total estimated cost for the Los Angeles to San Francisco rail ride is expected to exceed $98 billion.

The go-ahead vote is a philosophical win for both Governor Moonbeam and President Obama.  Just three months after taking office, President Obama delivered his Vision for High Speed Rail in America speech and Governor Jerry Brown has been pushing the California rail line primarily as a jobs program.

President Obama saw the nationwide network of 200+ MPH rail lines as his FDR moment.  But as America’s multi-trillion-dollar debt controversy came to a head in 2011, Congress knocked down the President’s vision as irresponsible spending in the midst of an economic crisis.  Commenting on the rejection of funding a national matrix of trains, Representative Bill Shuster, R-Pa., chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee's railroad subcommittee spoke in support of shorter high-speed lines for commuting between Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Washington D.C.

High-speed rail may indeed be a positive addition to commuter challenges, addressing traffic gridlock, air pollution and quality of life.  But high-volume traffic infrastructure projects are necessarily pricey retrofits.  They meet a demand for infrastructure that could not have been preplanned when the land was unoccupied and inexpensive.  So the engineering is complex and requires a great deal of expertise and wisdom.  Private enterprise has recently brought us luxury commuter buses and the like.  But of course what we all want is our personal fleet of airborne motorcars.

But I would like to call attention to the comparison between the President’s high speed rail policy and his energy pipeline policy.  Both the California high-speed train proposal and the Keystone XL Pipeline proposals were submitted before Barack Obama took office.  Both projects will create tens of thousands of construction and operations jobs.  Both will have an impact to the environment where they will be placed.

The differences include the fact that the California rail project would be the first 500 miles of the President’s vision of laying over 6,000 miles of track while Keystone will cover less than 1,700 miles in pipeline.  Keystone is a private enterprise project with many companies looking forward to competing in its profitable operations.  The California rail project is a public works operation with a single, government-subsidized operator.

The most glaring difference between these two proposals is that the Obama Administration rushed to approve billions of dollars for funding California high speed rail in its first year while squashing the Keystone project after a four-year environmental impact study.  The Obama Administration will be submitting its second payment of $3.2 billion this month to California for high speed rail while ordering Keystone to begin a new environmental study for the entire path of the pipeline in response to the 88 mile rerouting plan that TransCanada Keystone Pipeline, LP recently submitted to keep distance from the Nebraska Sandhills.

The California rail project was envisioned by government bureaucrats who are unconcerned with sustainability.  Their own State Senate Analysis reveals concerns about “limited information about the overall cost of the project, the cost of tickets, and train travel time versus air travel time.”  The analysis also reports that “the project would result in widespread use of eminent domain in both rural and urban areas and the construction of large infrastructure that would disrupt communities.”

 

The Keystone XL project was envisioned to transport crude oil from the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin to delivery points in Oklahoma and Texas.  The proposed $7 billion project would create tens of thousands of American jobs and supplant a significant portion of crazy-country oil supplies with 830,000 barrels per day of friendly, Canadian crude.

In short, the primary motivator for building Keystone is profitable delivery of a local energy resource.  The primary motivator for building the California bullet train is that it would be really cool.

[pepsionice]

The problem here...is that the train ticket needs to be less than the airline ticket and run often. When you tell a guy that there’s only two runs a day from LA to San Francisco with the bullet train....but there’s forty airline flights....well, there just won’t be much of a choice. It all sounds good on paper, but in reality....it just doesn’t sell.

[Huaynero]

A bit of a “cart&horse” moment. Trains are nice but they need fuel. Pipelines carry fuel. So logically, which need come first?

[ontap]

How hard would it be to just give Kalifornicate back to Mexico???

[hsalaw]

The primary motivator for building the California bullet train is that it would be really cool.

Wrong. The primary motivator is union jobs.

And let me just ask all the Californians online here: who will be the first to travel regularly between Merced and Bakersfield on this high-speed moneypit?

[Aria]

I don’t get all these “matching federal funds” - what is that - printing more money, borrowing more money, or stealing from other states?

[scooby321]

The enviromentist shows to map of keystone pipeline and the damage it might do but fails to shows the pipelines that are already in existence now by keystone.

[Vaduz]

They already have it,the train deal is a stimulus package for them and the unions.

[Reeses]

President Obama saw the nationwide network of 200+ MPH rail lines as his FDR moment.

Barky's administration carefully studied all the economic mistakes of Japan, then set out to make every one of them.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

"Progressives" and "Progress" should never be uttered in the same breath...

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[pineybill]

This is insanity. Just checked Orbitz and 110 non stop flights go from LA area airports to San Francisco every day. Granted it may be slightly less becasue so many flights are run by two airlines and were listed 2X. But add to that Southwest who runs 11 out of LAX and 6 out of Orange County at 78.00 one way on the internet fare.

By the tile this is done, the cost will be well over 100 billion- but lot’s more union members will have construction jobs that will fill the Union’s- and the democrat’s-coffers.

[Sivad]

How ‘bout we in California give YOUR liberals back to YOU?

[hedgetrimmer]

You want all your food to be grown in Mexico?

[Squawk 8888]

Exactly. Our local route, occasional touted as a candidate for high-speed rail, is Toronto-Montreal. The problem is that even a fast train will take three times as long as flying (especially because one of our airports is downtown), there are flights leaving every 15-30 minutes, and airfares are often just as cheap as rail. The bonus is that unlike rail, the airlines operate with subsidy; the airports and the air navigation system are privately owned.

[Mr. Peabody]

So if the price of tickets are comparable the SF to LA high speed train will have to sell over 1 billion tickets to break even! Oh, and construction of the thing will take 30 years. That’s good thinking Barky!

[no-s]

even a fast train will take three times as long as flying [...] and airfares are often just as cheap as rail.

Don't worry. When this becomes obvious it will be too late, and those elitist free-riders on the airlines will be taxed to pay their fair share of the necessity of train service. Over time the train will become the only available solution as obviously inefficient air travel will fall into disuse. Then everyone will appreciate the intrinsicly superior nature of rail transit, and we will revere the thoughtful foresight of the visionary founders of the high-speed rail system.

[Verginius Rufus]

Selling 1 billion tickets a year won’t be a problem. Just require every resident of the US to buy three tickets a year. Those who don’t will have to pay a penalty—but as long as it’s called a tax it will be legal.

[ontap]

You gotta be kidding...they’re not our liberals they are all home grown in the left coast!!

[ontap]

Most of it already is....what Mexico doesn't get directly they get indirectly by sanctuary cities and states allowing illegals to come in and send money they earn back to Mexico!!! While dumping the cost of medical care, welfare, and crimes back onto taxpayers!!!

[Sivad]

Home grown on the left coast? Are you kidding?
Barbara Boxer is from New York. Nancy Pelosi is from Maryland.
And, here is one just for you........former mayor of San Francisco
and long time Speaker of the State Assembly Willie Brown is from
Texas.

Please remember that when you slam California you are also taking
a shot at some of your fellow FReepers. A little support would do
more good than insults, don’t you think?