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Chief Justice Roberts, You Fox You
The American spectator ^ | 7-5-12 | R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.

Posted on 07/05/2012 6:46:08 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

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To: tanknetter

“Speculation is that Roberts decided as he did to avoid the perception that the Court has become partisan. In this he failed, just that Conservatives now see it as partisan, with Roberts having flipped to the Liberal/Dem side.”

Yes, but I think we all know that conservatives don’t count. Leftists dominate academia and the legal industry, and therefore control “mainstream” legal opinion. They also dominate the beltway, as if I have to tell you, where Roberts works. The chief justice was interested not in the general public’s perceptions but in political correctness.


121 posted on 07/05/2012 9:47:00 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Paladin2

Which is why our illustrious Nancy and her able Democrat Representatives had to actually vote on the legislation and then wait to find out what was actually in it.

I read once what group was actually responsible for writing the legislation, but the group actually had no included authors that one would think were elected officials. There is a powerful mismash of special feather-bedding interests contained in the law. It will take decades to decode.


122 posted on 07/05/2012 9:47:47 AM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: tanknetter

Remember in this thread, we’re discussing the possibility that Roberts ruled as he did not to save the SCOTUS’s reputation, but as a sort of rope-a-dope move against the left. If that’s the case, my theory holds.

It also holds if Roberts is actually a strict constructivist and simply conscientiously decided that the objection to the mandate was unsustainable because the “penalty” has the form of an income tax (with minimum and maximum amounts) waived on persons engaging in certain behavior and post-Sixteenth Amendment Congress can levy such taxes (and waive them in exchange for certain behavior — think ‘tax deduction’, ‘tax credit’).

Sure the “story” will be that Roberts caved to conservative pressure. So what? The “story” now is that he caved to leftist pressure (at least around these parts).


123 posted on 07/05/2012 10:02:48 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It is possible that Chief Justice Roberts voted to uphold Obamacare as a result of either blackmail or a credible physical threat to himself or his family.

Given the stakes involved, and the amorality of the stakeholders, neither of these possibilities are beyond credibility.

If so, he did what prisoners-of-war sometimes do when making statements after torture. They say things in a way that makes it clear that they are under duress and do not believe what they say.

Similarly, Roberts could have been sending a coded message through the irrationality of his decision, that, despite his vote, he did not believe Obamacare was constitutional, while at the same time sabotaging his own decision in subtle ways.


124 posted on 07/05/2012 10:24:42 AM PDT by MikeNJ
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To: TexasCajun

Sorry, but around here it’s hard to distinquish dripping sarcasm from oozing stupidity.


125 posted on 07/05/2012 11:44:18 AM PDT by altura (Vote Romney. He's our only hope.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Trying to explain the actions of a man with no convictions as part of a grand ruse,is nice but it doesn’t change reality.It is an easy approach to take,given the world we live in,it is fairly painful in the long-term as it becomes harder and harder to justify that individual’s actions.


126 posted on 07/05/2012 12:29:55 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Worthless, inaccurate analysis that completely disregards the government’s brand new power to tax inactivity — what you don’t buy, what you don’t do.

No discussion that this power to tax inactivity is NO WHERE granted in the Constitution.

Tyrell = epic fail, moron, no credibility.


127 posted on 07/05/2012 1:09:44 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well said, as usual :)


128 posted on 07/05/2012 1:14:13 PM PDT by nerdgirl
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To: Tublecane

OK. So, I’m not a lawyer. You may be right.

I’m afraid I don’t know what you’re talking about with your reference to the ‘infamous and evil Footnote Four from US v Caroline Products’. Please enlighten me. Or will it send me over the edge again? The Obamacare decision has about done me in.


129 posted on 07/05/2012 4:04:16 PM PDT by iceskater (The clock is ticking....November's coming.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Lurking Libertarian; JDW11235; Clairity; TheOldLady; Spacetrucker; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

130 posted on 07/05/2012 8:28:56 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tublecane
All good points, but there are a few things that muddy the comparison between auto and medical insurance.

1. At a bare minimum, auto insurance simply covers the driver's liability in the event of an accident. Drivers have the option of securing additional coverage for collision, theft, etc., depending on the value of the vehicle.

2. An auto insurance company has a reasonable degree of certainty when it comes to pricing a policy for those things that are comparable with a medical policy: loss or damage to the vehicle. An insurance company can accurately establish the risk for a policy for a $30,000 car, for example, by knowing that their maximum exposure in the event of a total loss is $30,000 (and is likely to be much less, as the value of the car declines over time). There is no such certainty in a medical insurance policy.

3. It's true that people use their medical insurance to "pay for every damn thing, from dollar one at the clinic to spinal surgery." There is no parallel to this in auto insurance, because auto insurance doesn't cover routine maintenance. However, imagine an auto insurance policy that not only covered major losses due to theft, accidents, etc. -- but also covered mechanical failures? Under this scenario, auto insurance would be very similar to health coverage ... and you could be damn sure that insurance companies would insist on covering routine maintenance such as oil changes.

The real issue here is that "health insurance" isn't really insurance at all. It's basically a pre-paid health care plan that has turned into a large racket in which the whole point of the game is to figure out how to get someone else to pay for the things you can't afford yourself.

131 posted on 07/06/2012 6:13:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: nerdgirl

Thanks! :-)


132 posted on 07/06/2012 6:15:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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