Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

White House Doubles Down: ObamaTax Not a Tax (Title should be: White House Spins)
Townhall.com ^ | July 1, 2012 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 07/01/2012 2:22:12 PM PDT by Kaslin

It's a penalty. It's a penalty. It's a penalty. This is what White House officials are arguing despite Thursday's Supreme Court ruling on ObamaCare classifying the healthcare legislation as....a tax. Friday White House Press Secretary argued ObamaCare isn't a tax, but a penalty. Today, White House Chief of Staff Jack Lew argued the same thing. Remember, ObamaCare was "sold" or shoved down the throats of the American people as a penalty to avoid the Obama administration looking like President Obama was raising taxes on everyone.

The White House insisted Sunday the consequence for Americans not having health insurance is a penalty fee, despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is a tax and said the debate on the Affordable Care Act should finally end.

White House Chief of Staff Jack Lew said on Fox News Sunday that “when the Supreme Court rules” the country “has a final decision” and that the presidential campaigns should focus on the economy and jobs.

“What we need to do is go forward with the implementation” of the law, Lew said.

WH Chief Of Staff Spends 5 Minutes Struggling To Explain How ObamaCare Isn't A Tax

It's a tax. To see the long list of new taxes that come with ObamaTax, click here.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: obamcaretax
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-76 next last

1 posted on 07/01/2012 2:22:21 PM PDT by Kaslin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

They’re spinning so fast they should be dizzy by now.

Spin, spin, spin, drain, drain, bye-bye.


2 posted on 07/01/2012 2:24:20 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (54,000,000 0bama's people on welfare and food stamps?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

We now live in an era when the federal government can do whatever it wants and call it anything it wants to call it.


3 posted on 07/01/2012 2:24:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

If it is not a tax then ObamaKare is not legal as defined by SCOTUS and can’t be implemented.

Case closed.


4 posted on 07/01/2012 2:25:55 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TribalPrincess2U

Obama Admin changes TAX to PENALTY , try fool the people by changing WORDS LOL


5 posted on 07/01/2012 2:30:30 PM PDT by molson209
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

The whole Dem spin is it is a penalty for the middle class and a tip from the 1%.


6 posted on 07/01/2012 2:33:02 PM PDT by chuckee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TribalPrincess2U

They’re spinning so fast they should be dizzy by now.


I haven’t ‘trusted’ any of these SOB’s for so long that I still don’t know what to ‘think’ of Roberts’ decision.
In one respect, he did put them in a kind of quandry where if they don’t call it a tax, it is illegal and if they do it discredits them even in their own eyes.

If you remember Nixon’s ‘wage and price freeze’, it wasn’t long before they had the same product, just new and improved so they could ‘raise’ the price, several ‘new’ cuts of meat were invented etc and if you wanted a raise all you had to do was ‘quit’ and get hired back to the same job for more money when rehired....

Yes, Nixon was probably the ‘original’ RINO but he was only the 2nd R in my lifetime, with Ike being the 1st.


7 posted on 07/01/2012 2:40:00 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "Hopefully this administration is a "bad dream" - think the Newhart show.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Aw, if they didn’t want it to be law in the first place, they shouldn’t have passed it, yes?


8 posted on 07/01/2012 2:43:07 PM PDT by Olog-hai
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

My head hurts.


9 posted on 07/01/2012 2:43:25 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
From now to November - any conservative posting on forums like this to being in front of a TV camera on LIVE need to join OBAMACARE + TAX and call it OBAMACARE TAX
10 posted on 07/01/2012 2:46:37 PM PDT by TheShaz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

What would anyone whose sperm donor was a commie maggot from Kenya know about anything? If the Supreme Court says it’s a tax, IT’S A TAX.


11 posted on 07/01/2012 2:46:49 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution?!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
If it's not a tax - it has to be overturned. Congress doesn't have the authority any other way.

Just say "NO" to the Oboma tax.
No new entitlement programs!

12 posted on 07/01/2012 2:47:46 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Just following the lead of Roberts in his opinion. First, it wasn’t a tax and then it was a tax.


13 posted on 07/01/2012 2:48:01 PM PDT by nhoward14
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

The Washington spin machine is going to reverse the magnetic poles!

Obama is defying SCOTUS by calling it a penalty, they abhor it being labeled EXACTLY what it is...

A TAX


14 posted on 07/01/2012 2:52:24 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

For the last few years, the White House and Congress had been telling us this was a penalty. At the same time, the White House lawyers were arguing to the Supreme Court (out of necessity) that it was a tax.

They’re trying to have it both ways, and should be called on it.

I’m not holding my breath.


15 posted on 07/01/2012 2:53:03 PM PDT by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
It's a tax. Liberals have long played with words to obfuscate, distract and fool the voters. It often works, too. This time, the Democrats are in a corner. If they call the mandate 'penalty' a tax, people are repulsed. If they lie and call it a 'penalty' it's no longer constitutional. So, Obama administration mouthpieces are reduced to saying that the tax that renders Obamacare constitutional isn't really a tax at all. This confuses and annoys the electorate and makes the Obama administration look ridiculous, which it always has been. Up until now, most people pretended not to notice. That is no longer possible. It's a tax - and we all know it.
16 posted on 07/01/2012 2:55:41 PM PDT by Jim Scott
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Eye of Unk

And doesn’t every TAX bill have to originate in the House? IIRC, Obamacare DID NOT—and thus the passage of it was a usurpation of power by the Senate. This is a fact that MUST be trumpeted by the Pubs— loud and clear!


17 posted on 07/01/2012 2:58:16 PM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I have a question:

People with children get a per-child tax break. Those of us without children pay full tax.

So, is the White House saying that I’m paying an unwritten penalty for not having my own children?

Or is it that I’m just paying full tax and people with children are not assessed a penalty fee?

I’m......so confused. What the hell is going on, here?


18 posted on 07/01/2012 2:59:27 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Future generations will curse what we've done to them.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: milagro

“This is a fact that MUST be trumpeted by the Pubs— loud and clear!”

I hate to mention this to you but the republican leadership helped pass the healthcare bill, and I mean the leadership in both houses.

The republicans WANTED this bill to pass just as much as the democrats.


19 posted on 07/01/2012 3:03:10 PM PDT by stockpirate (No longer proud to be an American! SCOTUS is just as corrupt as congress. IMPEACH ROBERTS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Ya can’t have it be a tax to make it legal, but not a tax to not be a tax increase. I guess ol’ Obama just likes to have it both ways. Just saying.


20 posted on 07/01/2012 3:04:34 PM PDT by fhayek
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Did they argue in court that it was a tax, to get it passed, or did Roberts just pull the tax thing out of his own hat? If they argued it was a tax, then this must be publicized to show the immenseness of their lying hypocrisy. Whether they argued it being a tax or not, they are still Constitutional abrogating menaces that deserve utter scorn and ridicule. It is these lying, Satanic, scumbags that must become abrogated.


21 posted on 07/01/2012 3:05:45 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Roberts has the authority to reconsider his decision. He should announce that he interpreted ObamaCare in the most understanding and flexible manner possible in an attempt to find that it was constitutional, but Pelosi, Obama, and many others who passed the bill so we could find out what was in the bill have corrected him, and he accepts their interpretation that ObamaCare is not a tax. Because ObamaCare is not a tax, the Court is reconsidering the question and he is joining in the Kennedy/Scalia/Thomas/Alito decision, which is now the majority decision - ObamaCare is overturned.

Sadly, I don’t think Roberts has either the courage or the patriotism necessary to follow that path.


22 posted on 07/01/2012 3:10:49 PM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Psycho_Bunny
People with children get a per-child tax break. Those of us without children pay full tax.

People who own their own home have to pay school taxes, no matter how poor they are. People who live in apartments don't - even if they're millionaires with 20 kids in a government school.
Home owners are punished, too.

The politicians have discovered they could take other peoples money to buy votes with and get away with it, and then they can control the population through reward and punishment. We haven't been a free people since FDR.

If they want us to behave one way, they let us slaves keep one of our bricks as a reward for our obedience. If they don't want us to do something, and we're disobedient, they force us to make a few dozen extra bricks each day as punishment.



23 posted on 07/01/2012 3:19:51 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Roberts looks like bigger fool... Like a judge letting go a murderer only to have him show up TV saying, “Yep I lied. I killed em.”


24 posted on 07/01/2012 3:22:20 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
"Not A Tax = Not Constitutional".

Spread the word.

25 posted on 07/01/2012 3:28:51 PM PDT by jeffc (Welcome to the United Socialist States of America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
If it's not a tax, they why are they going to hire 16,000 new Internal Revenue Service Agents?
26 posted on 07/01/2012 3:29:04 PM PDT by radioone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nhoward14
I don't think Roberts said it was not a tax. That arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania first said it was a tax then he spins it that it wasn't when in realty it is and he can spin it whichever way he wants to. It will not change
27 posted on 07/01/2012 3:30:49 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Egon

They sure did


28 posted on 07/01/2012 3:32:10 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I know a lot of people are still furious with Roberts for voting the way he did, but I am starting to believe this is even better than an outright win for our side.

Watching these Liberal cretins spin this way, then the other, and trying to reconcile their “win” with the hard political reality of this monstrosity is proving to be quite amusing.

This decision is not going to help the Demoncraps in November.


29 posted on 07/01/2012 3:35:23 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Even if it is a Penalty, what right does the Government have to fine me for not buying something I do not want.

If it is a Penalty it is Unconstitutional.

Roberts was right about that, he was wrong to let it go by and wrong to change it’s motive.


30 posted on 07/01/2012 3:35:59 PM PDT by Venturer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Roberts said it was not a tax for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act and then later said it was a tax after his comments about the commerce clause.


31 posted on 07/01/2012 3:38:14 PM PDT by nhoward14
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Psycho_Bunny
"I’m......so confused. What the hell is going on, here? "

The reduced tax paid by parents is an "Investment" by the gov't to pay for your SS on the out years.

32 posted on 07/01/2012 3:38:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

While I am still recovering from the stab-in-back injury inflicted by the Dread Pirate Roberts, I am immensely enjoying this maelstrom (SCOTUS upheld us; but it’s not a tax; but SCOTUS said it *is* a tax; well you can’t listen to SCOTUS; etc.) that the Democrats have found themselves in — and which, apparently, they can’t escape from.


33 posted on 07/01/2012 3:39:04 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ronin
"this is even better than an outright win for our side."

Pssst! Hey, buddy, you want to buy a bridge?

34 posted on 07/01/2012 3:39:40 PM PDT by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: nhoward14
"the Anti-Injunction Act"

Sounds retarded.

35 posted on 07/01/2012 3:41:28 PM PDT by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: milagro
From Article 1 Section 7

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; butt he Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatibes and the Senate, shall, before it becomes a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it.

He signed it, didn't he?

36 posted on 07/01/2012 3:44:47 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

The liberal justices ruled it’s a tax.

They also ruled it would be unconstitutional under the commerce clause.

ObamaCareTax


37 posted on 07/01/2012 3:44:53 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

The SC ruled that it must be a tax for the law to stand.

The SC did NOT rule on whether or not the tax is constitutional. That question was outside the scope of the case.

That leaves the states the opening to file a law suit regarding the constitutionality of the tax (it is not constitutional).

The Obama admin doesn’t want to call it a tax because of politics/the election.

I’ll be looking for WI, FL, or some other rational state to file a law suit.


38 posted on 07/01/2012 3:45:35 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: molson209

This juxtaposition of words and meanings is some thing government officials have been allowed to do to force actions they want on ordinary citizens. One of agencies that has used this deceptive practice over and over is the EPA. Just take a look at and examine the clever double speak it uses.


39 posted on 07/01/2012 3:49:01 PM PDT by noinfringers2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: MV=PY

and with all those IRS agents coming on board, newly armed with billy clubs and brass knuckles........


40 posted on 07/01/2012 3:51:15 PM PDT by nevermorelenore
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
Somebody needs to make a cogent argument regarding the powers of government to levy penalties, since that is what they wish to call the healthcare tax. To the best of my knowledge, a penalty is what is paid when one breaks the law. But to the point, what power does congress and the executive branch have to exact penalties on the citizenry for a law that forces inactivity to become active even if they want to call it a penalty instead of a tax.

Remember the story of Daniel in the Lion's den? I see this argument in much the same way only in Daniel's case, it was well known that he actively prayed to and worshiped God on a regular basis. The king's wise men hated Daniel and wanted to find a way to be done with him so they drafted a law that stated it would be a capital offense to worship anyone or thing besides the King. They got the king to sign the bill, then presented their case to the king that Daniel must pay the penalty. It was a ruse and the king fell for it, without thinking.

Two points here; One is the fact that a ruse has been perpetrated on the American people; for Obama and the then Democrat controlled congress argued that the penalty was not a tax... but of course now it is a tax. Two, even if it can be construed as a penalty, what gives congress the power to write such a law that penalizes someone for continuing to live the way they have been living their whole lives? What powers don't they have if Obamacare stands?

41 posted on 07/01/2012 3:51:25 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I’m so glad that they’re making Roberts look like the fool he is. He deserves it big time. No man has been in the perfect position to protect the Constitution like Robert is, and failed so horribly to not only protect it, but also blow it to smithereens with this new right the government now has of taxing us for NOT doing something!


42 posted on 07/01/2012 3:55:42 PM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I think a lot more people are paying attention to this ruling than paid attention to the original debate and house vote. And they don’t like what they’re seeing. Nobody can afford a tax increase. Many are worried about being able to afford to buy groceries. obama’s peeps would be better off keeping their mouths shut.


43 posted on 07/01/2012 3:55:52 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dps.inspect

If It’s a penalty it is unconstitutional. Every time Obama and his minions say it is not a tax, our response needs to be “then it is unconstitutional. Period. It has been deemed to be legal ONLY as a tax.


44 posted on 07/01/2012 3:57:06 PM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: xrmusn

And good ole Ike was asked by BOTH parties to run. And, thanks to this colossus, we got the Warren Court and countless Rhinos.


45 posted on 07/01/2012 3:57:37 PM PDT by Mach9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Terry Mross

I think the best way to get the liberals on our side is to show them the danger of this new Supreme Court precedent of allowing the Government the power to tax us for NOT doing something. When Republicans get in power, I hope they tax movies that are R rated and above, X rated, tax people who DON’T have a bible at home, etc. Just proposing such laws will bring the point home.


46 posted on 07/01/2012 3:58:36 PM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: milagro

The GOP’s avoiding this point assiduously. What are we missing?


47 posted on 07/01/2012 3:58:49 PM PDT by Mach9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Terry Mross

I think the best way to get the liberals on our side is to show them the danger of this new Supreme Court precedent of allowing the Government the power to tax us for NOT doing something. When Republicans get in power, I hope they tax movies that are R rated and above, X rated, tax people who DON’T have a bible at home, etc. Just proposing such laws will bring the point home.


48 posted on 07/01/2012 3:58:49 PM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: nhoward14

It would appear that Roberts and the other four were trying to do a Solomon twist. The onerous aspect of their decision is that they gave the baby/decision to the wrong parent i.e. to Obama and his enablers instead of the people of the USA. As far as Roberts as an individual judge goes he can now be known as Judas Roberts instead of Justice Roberts.


49 posted on 07/01/2012 4:02:35 PM PDT by noinfringers2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: winner3000

My nephew suggested taxing abortions. I thought that that was brilliant.


50 posted on 07/01/2012 4:03:58 PM PDT by fhayek
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-76 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson