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Wealth implosion: It's not just housing
CNN Money ^ | 06/19/12 | Tami Luhby

Posted on 06/21/2012 6:18:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Wealth implosion: It's not just housing

By Tami Luhby @CNNMoney June 19, 2012: 2:32 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Americans' net worth collapsed in recent years, but don't blame the housing market for it all.

A CNNMoney analysis of new Census Bureau data shows that if you strip out the effects of the housing collapse, median household net worth still fell by 25% between 2005 and 2010. The decline was driven largely by the plummeting stock market, which devastated Americans' portfolios and retirement accounts.

Overall, median household net worth declined 35% to $66,740 in 2010.

The median worth of stock and mutual fund portfolios fell 33%, while the median home equity value dropped 28%.

"One of the significant factors is housing, of course, but it's not that alone" said Alfred Gottschalck, an economist with the Census Bureau. "It's how business conditions affect stock and retirement accounts."

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; bhoeconomy; democrateconomy; democrats; depression; economy; housing; networth; obama; obamanomics; recession; stock; wealth
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1 posted on 06/21/2012 6:18:06 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

P!


2 posted on 06/21/2012 6:22:39 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Oh no, no,no...just ask 0bama. It is not at all that pesky issue of wealth devaluation.

As any liberal in fact...they will tell you the rich are sitting on the sidelines with hoards of money & wealth they won’t invest.


3 posted on 06/21/2012 6:27:43 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Good find. Thanks for the perspective. REALITY - - - what a concept!


4 posted on 06/21/2012 6:28:49 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The article focuses on housing and financial assets. Other factors resulting in loss of household wealth in recent years include:

1) Decline in real household incomes. Middle class jobs are going away.
2) Inflation. The hidden tax eroding the purchasing power of money and the result of both government and Federal Reserve policies. Food and energy prices have accelerated and take an increasing share of household income, yet food and energy inflation is not included in the government inflation statistics.
3) Negative rate of return on savings. Savings accounts, CD’s, and bond interest rates have declined due to Federal Reserve low interest rate policy.
4) Total tax burden (federal, state, local) continues to rise.

The factors above will make it difficult for households to accumulate new wealth to offset the lost wealth.


5 posted on 06/21/2012 6:29:27 AM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: TigerLikesRooster

To some considerable extent this decline is not a decline in real wealth, it’s a decline in an illusion.

Some significant percentage, my inexpert estimate around 50%, is the bursting of the bubble. Bubbles, by definition, do not represent actual wealth, they’re merely an illusion.

If you happened to sell out at the height of the bubble, then it was real. But there is, also by definition, no way everybody could sell out at the right time. Therefore most people are going to get caught when the bubble pops.

So we thought we were a lot richer than we were.


6 posted on 06/21/2012 6:33:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Soul of the South

On the other hand, there is an opportunity for thrifty, responsible, industrious households to get great bargains in real assets. There are places in some areas near me where you can buy multi-family units for one half their 2006 sales prices.


7 posted on 06/21/2012 6:39:24 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It doesn’t look like there’s any consideration of savings accounts being slowly (or quickly) depleted by people who are either completely unemployed or working hand to mouth to make next month’s payments.


8 posted on 06/21/2012 6:41:19 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Soul of the South

3) Negative rate of return on savings. Savings accounts, CD’s, and bond interest rates have declined due to Federal Reserve low interest rate policy.


This especially is being done to keep the cost of the ballooning deficit managable. Without it, revenues would not even be enough to cover interest on the debt. Then massive transfer payments would cease. Since most of the population gets some subsidy or other these daze, all hell would break loose.

The FED will work to keep interest rates low indefinitely for this reason. Old people won’t riot, but young minorities will. This whole scheme is just one big Hail Mary, with out leaders hoping for some kind of economic miracle to grow us out of this unsustainable mess. But it ain’t gonna happen ‘cause there are no saviors left.


9 posted on 06/21/2012 6:48:14 AM PDT by rbg81
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"It doesn’t look like there’s any consideration of savings accounts being slowly (or quickly) depleted by people who are either completely unemployed or working hand to mouth to make next month’s payments."

Or savings and retirement accounts being depleted by people whose children are hitting college age with devalued college investment accounts.

10 posted on 06/21/2012 6:51:33 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Sherman Logan
If you happened to sell out at the height of the bubble, then it was real.

Even this situation goes hand in hand the "illusion". Real money went to the buyer, but the other side of that transaction turned out to be just bits shuffled from lender to Fannie Mae to a line in Stimulus (or "Porkulus") to their final resting place in the Federal Reserve's balance sheet, like the tortured souls captured by the Ghostbusters, fighting each other in the Containment Unit for eternity.

11 posted on 06/21/2012 6:52:44 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

So how’s that shipping your entire consumer manufacturing sector off to China working for
you America?


12 posted on 06/21/2012 7:12:47 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Sherman Logan

“If you happened to sell out at the height of the bubble, then it was real.”
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Yes, for the person selling it was real but what many people don’t understand is that even if you were lucky enough to sell at the top that may have increased YOUR real wealth but the total wealth of the nation did NOT increase. Your gain is offset by the loss of the buyer. I once stated on FR that the constantly increasing appraised value of housing that was happening at that time DID NOT represent an increase in total wealth in the real world. I was called several different kinds of a fool by certain FREEPERS for that statement but I still stick by it. Likewise the drop in housing prices did not represent a real loss in total wealth of the nation. The house is the real wealth and the house is still there. As long as a house is being sold AND PAID FOR any loss to the seller is offset by a gain to the buyer and vice versa. It is only when houses and commercial buildings sit empty and fall into disrepair that there is a REAL decline in total wealth, that is going on now. As I drive around my area I see more and more empty buildings and empty houses. A house can only sit empty and untouched for so long and it starts to fall down. A few leaks begin and in this humid climate the rot begins rapidly. The total real wealth in my community is dropping and dropping rapidly, of this I have no doubt.

In short, barring outside inputs from other nations such as when oil wealthy little nations are able to simply let oil companies from other nations come in and produce oil and pay royalties is there any increase in REAL wealth from any source other than the hard work of the citizens. This is so simple that many people cannot comprehend it. We have large numbers of Americans who imagine that somehow increasing numbers are real wealth. The same people seem to think that a job is a job is a job. They think that a government job that pays $100,000. a year is equal in value to two jobs for plumbers making $50,000. a year each. It ain’t so, never has been, never will be. The plumbers preserve and or produce real wealth, the government worker in all too many cases is tasked with preventing the production or preservation of real wealth.


13 posted on 06/21/2012 7:35:45 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Last Dakotan
So how’s that shipping your entire consumer manufacturing sector off to China working for you America?

Quite well, for the people that shipped them off.

14 posted on 06/21/2012 7:55:49 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Last Dakotan

Why do so many Freepers so miss millions of Americans working menial and mind numbing low paying jobs? I’ll never get it,


15 posted on 06/21/2012 8:01:52 AM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

For many years the intentional inflation of the dollar has dropped our purchasing power by a large percentage.

The impact has been especially bad in the Obama era because of the housing collapse, the jobless rate due to Obama’s business killing policies, and the Fed flooding the world with watered down dllars to support humongous deficit spending.

Since 1990 the dollar has lost about 1/3 of its purchasing power.


16 posted on 06/21/2012 8:07:37 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: gura
As if the current alternative of sitting on your ass and having the government take care of you isn't even more mind numbing and menial.

When you lose the assembly jobs you lose the higher skilled one too. Besides, not all people were meant to be scientists.

17 posted on 06/21/2012 8:20:22 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: gura; Last Dakotan
Why do so many Freepers so miss millions of Americans working menial and mind numbing low paying jobs? I’ll never get it,

Why do some have so little respect for those who worked, supported their families, and remained independent of government handouts while working in consumer manufacturing?
18 posted on 06/21/2012 8:39:14 AM PDT by khelus
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To: gura

Because we’d rather these millions of American’s be working - menial/mind numbing, or not - than sitting on their azzes and living entirely off of welfare. That’s why.


19 posted on 06/21/2012 8:39:30 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: khelus

I have to keep reminding my kids, there is no such thing as a menial job.


20 posted on 06/21/2012 8:46:50 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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