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Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations (Dec 2011)
CBS News ^ | December 7, 2011 | Sharryl Attkisson

Posted on 06/20/2012 9:30:30 PM PDT by txnuke

Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

PICTURES: ATF "Gunwalking" scandal timeline

In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

.....More at link....

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To: txnuke

Knew this was the agenda all along.


61 posted on 06/21/2012 3:21:38 AM PDT by SueRae (The Tower of Sauron falls on 11.06.2012)
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To: TornadoAlley3

There actually was a legitimate operation, Wide Receiver, which began under Bush and was carried out in conjunction with the Mexican government and police forces. It was aimed at tracking the criminal networks that got guns into the hands of the drug gangs, and was a typical sting operation that was monitored at every step of the way by law enforcement and in the riskier situations involved weapons that had been disabled. This is what Calderon thought he was agreeing to continue with Obama.

In reality, Mexico was utterly blindsided by the Obama operation, which had nothing to do with drug gangs but was intended to prove that legitimate gun sales were evil and to rev up support for some (US) gun control measures that Obama planned to impose. Mexicans are enraged by Fast and Furious, a cynical, arrogant operation that simply used their country and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans. We lost two citizens to it; Mexicans lost hundreds, and in their own country, because of Obama’s ideologically motivated operation.


62 posted on 06/21/2012 3:38:32 AM PDT by livius
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To: txnuke

This from CBS?

Guess they must’ve talked to their accountants who advised they better stop losing money on their news division. Spouting lib talking points wasn’t putting bread on the table.


63 posted on 06/21/2012 3:40:07 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: MestaMachine; waterhill; ixtl
Unbelievable!

This is truly treason of the highest order.

(((ping)))

64 posted on 06/21/2012 3:44:46 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Envisioning
Our forefathers would have all involved kicking at the end of a rope by now!
65 posted on 06/21/2012 3:58:47 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: txnuke

Excellent! Finally we may be getting somewhere. Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News ROCKS!


66 posted on 06/21/2012 4:24:49 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Iron Munro

That photo cannot come soon enough for me.


67 posted on 06/21/2012 4:36:02 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: RitaOK
Striking is the realization that the ATF was never tracking cartel sales at all, but were instead tracking the incidents of cartel murders, bloodshed and mahem that they could report on, in order to build a case against long gun sales and gun rights. F&F was never reported as tracking ensuing murders provided by ATF weapons. Some of us are just now getting that picture. 300 Mexicans dead to build a narrative against gun buyers in the US. One of our own dead.

As reprehensible as Terry's death is, we should not lose sight of the fact that these weapons were provided to violent criminals who killed Mexican citizens, and without Mexico's knowledge. In addition to the sheer crime of the loss of lives, that is dangerously close to being an act of war against a (nominally) friendly foreign country.

68 posted on 06/21/2012 4:41:29 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Envisioning

I would like to remind everybody of a man named johnie sutton,the Prosecutor that was respnsible for Ramos and Campean.We knew then that bush was into something unsavory but no one ever followed up on it.
The drug money and money laundering had already been going on for a long time. It wasn’t until obama though, that they decided to use the ops to change the gun control laws in the US.


69 posted on 06/21/2012 4:48:38 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: kevkrom

Is this what Obama fears?


70 posted on 06/21/2012 4:53:49 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Iron Munro

nice....and sheriff Joe will supply the pink undies


71 posted on 06/21/2012 4:56:00 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear; MestaMachine

“..She BETTER give credit to these guys, d@mmit!!!!!!!
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/
THEY were the ones. NOT the MSM!...”

Mike Vanderbeough (at Sipsey Street Irregulars) and David Codrea were on this like white on rice since it first started; way back when Hillary made her “Iron River of American guns flowing into Mexico” statement, and Oblama with his “we’re working on something under the radar” statement.

They’re good guys, Patriots through and through.


72 posted on 06/21/2012 5:01:20 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: ProfoundMan

I gave you dozens of examples of her original reporting. What did you give me on Hillary and guns? A search page with stories about gun control around the world and not one article that mentioned Hillary Clinton. Buzz off, dipstick.


73 posted on 06/21/2012 5:21:07 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: txnuke

Bookmark ... and a Hugh Thank You!


74 posted on 06/21/2012 5:46:04 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: kevkrom

I’d say this was bordering on, if not completely stepping over the line of,

an act of war.

Now, it would be considered that, UNLESS, the Mexican government was in on it as well as a co-conspirator. In which case, they are just as evil if not more so - sacrificing their own citizens and law enforcement on the altar of gun control and Marxism.


75 posted on 06/21/2012 5:56:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: txnuke

Here it comes....


76 posted on 06/21/2012 6:04:09 AM PDT by Principled (It's not enthusiasm for Romney, it's grim determination to remove Hussein)
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To: ProfoundMan; PA Engineer
the real question is why CBS aired it when the other networks didn't. THAT I'd like to know.

Am willing to offer an opinion. SeeBS has been taking hits from viewers, callers, and other assorted and possibly powerful and not so powerful people. Do not know at what level these hits are taking place, and continued hits are possibly ongoing, yet perhaps there maybe has been a shift of the ground under the powerful people at SeeBS. After Dan (would) Rather (lie) and the take down by an Internet person (here at this site of FreeRepublic) there has to have been high level discussions within SeeBS (imho). Am offering an opinion and do not know anything typed is for certain, though the TEA has left an unpleasant taste, in the mouths, of those who have been exposed (imho). This could be part of the reasoning for the break with the other networks. The other networks have to be trying to think on their backs as to how to recover from their incoherence possibly too for having went into or rather not into these facts of F&F, an inescapable set of facts that people died because of White House and Department of Justice policy, when the people dead from the weapons transferred did not have to die. Just some thoughts both of you are already aware of in your heart of hearts, and simply an opinion.

77 posted on 06/21/2012 6:13:52 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: txnuke

This we suspected from the beginning.


78 posted on 06/21/2012 6:26:57 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Buckhead

My apology. Thinking you should have been pinged to #77. Am relying on memory and believe am correct. If am making an error another apology.


79 posted on 06/21/2012 6:31:11 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RitaOK
[Some of us are just now getting that picture. 300 Mexicans dead to build a narrative against gun buyers in the US. One of our own dead.]

This is a macabre form of political theater—a staged event meant to alter the public consciousness on an issue. The Obama camp has employed political theater regularly usually in the form of mass street demonstrations. Remember the stream of coordinated theatrics following the death of Bin Laden. In this case the intent was to create chaos in a foreign country and plant evidence that would lead back north to the U.S. firearms industry.

When the American public fully comprehends the cold-blooded crime that a handful of conspirators from the White House, Justice Department and ATF perpetrated in early 2009 they will become enraged.

80 posted on 06/21/2012 7:20:17 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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