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To: Grig
I hope this thread does not get pulled.

The changes that have come to FR over the last few months are stark and (I believe) bad for FR and bad for America.

I am a Christian and I do not believe that Mormonism is a Christian sect. I think that it is an entirely different religion and/or cult. I hope that Mormonism ends on its own accord, and the sooner the better.

I will campaign for Romney and I'll vote for him in November. I think that it is obvious that America will be better served by a Romney Presidency than it will by four more years of Obama.

I despise the way the FR He-Man Mitt Haters Club has polluted the political discourse around here. It is a disgrace. In the past, political discussions were largely about information, analysis, and tactics. Now every political thread is hijacked by those waging jihad against Romney. This is a waste of precious opportunities.

When things first started going sideways around here, I called right to the top for clearer guidance. None was forthcoming. The so-called "truce" helped a bit but it was really too little, too late.

Some folks have left. Some were zotted. Participation in political analysis threads seems way down from where it ought to be, by my estimation.

The last FReepathon dragged on. The next one starts in two short weeks. I wonder what it will bring.

I would like to see things get better around here but I don't know how this can happen.

Some people here hate Mormonism so much that it prevents them from giving Romney any rational consideration as a candidate, and it further prevents them from leaving space for those who choose to support the GOP nominee for whatever reason.

I think Mormonism is a false religion. But I think that the American political process must allow for adherents of different faiths to work together to defend and preserve our Constitutional Republic. To me the Constitution comes first within the political sphere. I consider this a form of rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

35 posted on 06/13/2012 6:37:25 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
You are one of those who rejected the idea that we could discuss the campaign using facts and figures. Something about that just gives the Democrats ideas or something.

You'll have to do better than that.

In the meantime, if Republicans do as well as they did in the last two Presidential races we are short 10 million votes of beating Obama.

He's plush. Not only that, the people on his team who are disappointed in him say they won't vote for him, but they're not saying they'll vote for a Republican.

That is very serious.

What's going on here is the GOP-e has known for four years that our Presidential vote totals have been declining and that Obama broke all records.

If he does as well, we lose. He has to lose 15% of his last vote total to get down in the territory where Republican votes are located.

The only way to overcome that is to have a really bright, sparkling, charismatic candidate who attracts people.

Just "thinking hard" at a problem isn't going to elicit a positive response out of the crowd who voted for Obama the first time.

Again, with a 15% loss in votes Obama still beats our guy. If you really cared about winning the election you'd come up with something.

BTW, the shadow of the Spring non-Primary in Virginia continues. We had exceeding light turnout yesterday and there were 5 contested House seats and a Senate seat at stake. Ordinarily you'd get folks out ~ this time they got what seems to be the same old same old. Keep that up and this Fall Republicans will lose everything in Virginia.

Tell your little buddy over there who works for Bolling on these matters that it is dangerous to discourage voting. People will make it a habit!

44 posted on 06/13/2012 6:49:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rogue yam
Chris Woodfin ~ isn't that your buddy? He seems to specialize in fixing primaries ~ something like that.

There, more objective discussion about elections ~ it's hard to win when people who are supposed to be on your side are actually pursuing a private agenda that has nothing to do with the needs of the nation.

54 posted on 06/13/2012 6:59:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rogue yam
Good post.

You have an opinion and others can have differing opinions.
What's wrong with that?

I don't care whether you go to hell or not - only that you and I can agree today on universal principles...the Ten Commandments.

Do we necessarily recognize the same divine entity/trio/passel/historic time line?
No.

And, again, what's wrong with that?
My fate in the afterlife is MY business.

And, over a whole lot of years I've had only positive dealings with Mormons...in large part because I don't care whether or not their particular belief sructure matches mine.

72 posted on 06/13/2012 7:27:20 PM PDT by norton
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To: rogue yam; Grig

Great posts!


86 posted on 06/13/2012 7:48:17 PM PDT by USD79
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To: rogue yam
I consider this a form of rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

The truth matters in every sphere and Romney is not of the truth in any way. I hope you will reconsider.

Another thing, I don't think Jesus was telling people to support Caesar. He was tacitly pointing out that the fiat tribute money used to enslave them was a violation of the second commandment:

Exodus 20
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Deuteronomy 7:25
The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.

Psalm 62
9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.
10 Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart upon them.
11 God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God.
12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.

108 posted on 06/13/2012 8:55:34 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: rogue yam
I am a Christian and I do not believe that Mormonism is a Christian sect.

But you'll sure carry their water for them, as they are apparently unable to defend themselves.

268 posted on 06/15/2012 12:37:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: rogue yam
Some people here hate Mormonism so much

I never knew anything about Mormonism until the LIAR POS LIBERAL baby killing and same sex marriage, socialistic healthcare candidate, Romney, forced himself/bought himself onto our ticket. So get your story STRAIGHT!

Don't dare use his cult as a cover for what he did as governor - w/his evil 'accomplishments' with your 'you hate mormonism - so you hate Romney' You expose your liberalism mindset with that empty barrel statement, just like ' you hate obama because he' black'.

Liberals, pretending to be something what they are not, always end up exposing themselves, ROMNEY INCLUDED!

"Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of HIM to whom we must give account." Heb 4:13

343 posted on 06/15/2012 2:39:02 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: rogue yam
Participation in political analysis threads seems way down from where it ought to be, by my estimation.

I've noticed it too. No one is getting enthused at two liberals running against each other, it's like a rat primary. Who cares?

583 posted on 06/17/2012 5:52:52 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Obama versus Romney? Cyanide versus arsenic.)
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To: rogue yam
Do you give anything to FR?

Just asking..........

645 posted on 06/18/2012 2:18:33 PM PDT by Osage Orange (God is my Co-Pilot.)
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