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Europe to build world's biggest telescope powerful enough to see mountains on planets beyond solar..
Daily Mail ^ | 6/12/12 | Eddie Wrenn

Posted on 06/13/2012 8:16:42 AM PDT by LibWhacker

£872million project will be built on Chilean mountaintop by 2022

A coalition of 15 European countries has announced plans to build the biggest telescope in the world.

The mirror inside the telescope will measure 39metres across - four times wider than today's biggest telescope - and it will be so powerful that astronomers will even be able to observe dark, rocky planets far beyond our solar system.

The European Southern Observatory project is supported by 15 members of the European Union and has the catchy name 'European Extremely Large Telescope'... even if it will be built in Chile, to avoid light pollution.

The twin infrared/optical telescope will sit on top of a 3,060metre mountaintop, giving unparralled views of the sky above, and should hopefully come online in 2022.

Astronomers hope the observatory will help provide insights into the formation of galleries (sic) and the nature of black holes

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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Congrats, America! Obama's officially made you second rate. You've lost your edge in science. The military will soon follow.
1 posted on 06/13/2012 8:16:55 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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This is stupid in both directions. I thought Europe was starving for funds and they can somehow waste money doing this??


2 posted on 06/13/2012 8:21:59 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: LibWhacker

After all, seeing Mountain tops on distant Planets is much better use of the money that Europe doesn’t have.


3 posted on 06/13/2012 8:21:59 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: LibWhacker

No problem. The Muslims will tear it down because it’s somehow an affront to them.


4 posted on 06/13/2012 8:22:40 AM PDT by lurk
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Problems with light pollution....should have built it in North Korea.


5 posted on 06/13/2012 8:24:22 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: BelegStrongbow

Exactly my thought.


6 posted on 06/13/2012 8:25:13 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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I thought Earth bound telescopes had problems with their resolution due to the atmosphere and light pollution no matter how big their mirrors are which is why I thought they placed Hubble in space?


7 posted on 06/13/2012 8:25:52 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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The twin infrared/optical telescope will sit on top of a 3,060metre mountaintop,

The muslims will be outraged! This mountaintop is the 17,245th holiest place in Islam.

8 posted on 06/13/2012 8:26:38 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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This will be about 1,534 inches in diameter--more than 7 times the width of the Palomar telescope which is 200 inches.

Chile is a good location--there is an area in northern Chile which is one of the driest places on earth, so rain and clouds don't interfere with observation.

No matter how big they make the telescope, they won't be able to see the mountains on Venus, the nearest planet.

9 posted on 06/13/2012 8:30:42 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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I thought Earth bound telescopes had problems with their resolution due to the atmosphere and light pollution no matter how big their mirrors are which is why I thought they placed Hubble in space?

While there are still many limitations to earth based telescopes, adaptive optics can minimize many of them.

10 posted on 06/13/2012 8:32:37 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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I believe there’s another even larger optical array type telescope that’s been under construction for several years. It will consist of something like 9 eight meter mirrors

My dream is an asteroid belt array and if I ever become a trillionaire I’ll build it and show you all up. an Ort cloud array would be even better.


11 posted on 06/13/2012 8:33:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DAC21

You’re either first in science across the board or you pick and choose. Global warming anyone?


12 posted on 06/13/2012 8:36:37 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Lx

They have software that can filter out the effects of the atmosphere.


13 posted on 06/13/2012 8:36:42 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: LibWhacker

They’ll probably build it on the Acropolis.


14 posted on 06/13/2012 8:38:36 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: Lx

Atmosphere is still a problem, but there have been a number of developments lately that make ground based telescopes much better than they ever could have been in the old days: adaptive optics, etc.


15 posted on 06/13/2012 8:39:58 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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Problems with light pollution....should have built it in North Korea

LOl..very good...


16 posted on 06/13/2012 8:40:53 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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I thought Earth bound telescopes had problems with their resolution due to the atmosphere

They must be using Adaptive Optics, it can compensate for atmospheric disturbances and produce images almost as good as space-based telescopes.
I don't think that technology was available when Hubble was launched.

17 posted on 06/13/2012 8:42:01 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: LibWhacker

Why?


18 posted on 06/13/2012 8:42:32 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: LibWhacker

I’m inclined to call BS on this proposition.

Back in the day, I recall extensive reading into the development of ‘optical’ telescopes that made clear the limitations imposed on the construction of lenses to function in a 1G acceleration field due to physical deformation of the lens affecting focus and image clarity.

I am not aware of advances in material science that suggest the feasibility of constructing a 39 Meter ( that’s ~130 Feet ) diameter lens mounted in a movable / steerable equatorial mounting structure as pictured in the posted article.

The ‘equivalent’ resolving and imaging capabilities are readily available from an ‘array’ of smaller lenses aggregated into a ‘virtual’ lens of almost ANY arbitrary dimensions. And a LOT cheaper to acquire / maintain.

Those Euroes sound, to me, like a bunch of lamers ...

One Man’s Opinion

21stCenturion


19 posted on 06/13/2012 8:42:58 AM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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"The European Southern Observatory project is supported by 15 members of the European Union ... and should hopefully come online in 2022."

The European Union may not survive 2012.

20 posted on 06/13/2012 8:43:19 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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