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Posted on 06/11/2012 11:31:54 AM PDT by sunmars

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To: UCANSEE2

Actually, I was thinking of his physician. He is supposedly taking medication for his problem. His physician should have known the implications. That’s where I’d be going to get more information.

If as I suspect, his doctor didn’t follow proper guidelines, his license may be in jeopardy. This guy’s license should certainly be forfeit after this. I think it’s highly suspect that he still has one.


21 posted on 06/11/2012 12:20:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: TurboZamboni

LOLOLOL


22 posted on 06/11/2012 12:23:36 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Gaffer

I agree that we have seen that sort of thing. In this instance, I don’t think we’ve heard the last of it yet. I suspect Obama will dump him before more is known. In the end, I think this guy may be revealed to be driving when he clearly knew he shouldn’t have been. We’ll see how it plays out.


23 posted on 06/11/2012 12:23:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: DoughtyOne
was he complying with the law concerning driving and his tendency to have seizures once in a while?

...he smashes into the Buick, gets out, talks to the people in that car, then jumps back into his car, takes off - side-swiping the Buick. Then he smashes into another car and leads police on a goose-chase before stopping and passing out? Wouldn't a normal person's brain - knowing they have health/seizure problems - decide to stay out of the car, lie down, ask for medical assistance? None of this adds up.

24 posted on 06/11/2012 12:37:06 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: ghost of nixon

I am thinking that this former Chairman of BrightSource doesn’t want to face the music and was trying to do himself in.


25 posted on 06/11/2012 12:56:33 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: ghost of nixon

I honestly think you could view this pretty much as you would someone sleep-walking. He may have been functioning on a lower level, completely unaware consciously of what he was doing.

When I had my tonsils out as a kid, I was causing all sorts of trouble for the staff in the recovery room, as if I was awake. I seemed quite lucid. I remembered none of it afterwards.

Hitting the primary car again, is a pretty good indicator this guy was not operating on all cylinders. When they found him after the next impact, he was unconscious.

I’m sure this will be investigated, and I think the guy will have to answer for his medical condition and if he was taking enough precautions to make sure this type of thing didn’t happen.

It would be interesting to see how this plays out. I think he’s going to pay for it in a number of ways.


26 posted on 06/11/2012 12:59:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: Cyman; DoughtyOne
Cyman wrote: "If this is a previously diagnosed condition of epilepsy, seizures or fainting , it is against California law for him to possess a valid driver's license."

That is not entirely true. From the California DMV:

Driver Safety Information Lapses of Consciousness Disorders


Disorders characterized by lapses of consciousness result from many medical conditions. Epilepsy is the most common disorder seen by the department. Regulations governing lapses of consciousness disorders are contained in Article 2.4, Sections 110.01 and 110.02, of Title 13, California Code of Regulations.

Epilepsy is not a disease. It can occur at any age and can also remit spontaneously. Epilepsy is a condition characterized by two or more recurring seizures.

While the causes of epilepsy are not always known, seizures can be caused by anything that impairs normal brain function such as trauma, tumor, infection, genetics, stroke, injury, injury at birth, metabolic imbalances, high fever, or an overdose of toxins from alcohol or drugs.

Sleep disorders can also manifest themselves as a loss of awareness or loss of consciousness. Some lapse of consciousness disorders cannot be corrected.

Actions Appropriate to Lapse of Consciousness Disorders



The guidelines describe different situations in which the following actions should be taken after evaluating a driver with a lapse of consciousness disorder.

No action
Medical probation Type II
Medical probation Type III
Suspension
Revocation

Medical Probations


The department has the authority under Vehicle Code Section 14250, to place a person's driving privilege on probation in lieu of suspension or revocation. A medical probation allows the department to monitor the driver's medical condition on an ongoing basis.

There are two medical probations that are appropriate for drivers with lapse of consciousness disorders, Medical Probation Type II and Type III.

Placing a person on medical probation allows drivers with controlled epilepsy and other disorders characterized by a lapse of consciousness to continue driving.

A medical probation is only to be used when control of a lapse of consciousness disorder has been achieved for at least three months.

Medical probation Type II is for drivers who have achieved three to five months of control. The driver is required to authorize his/her treating physician to complete the Driver Medical Evaluation (form DS 326) and submit it to the department on a prescribed basis.

The decision to place a driver on Medical probation Type II should be based on a combination of considerations. The main factors include but are not limited to:

Seizure type
Seizure manifestations
Seizure, medical and lifestyle history
The seizure-free period prior to the last episode

Medical probation Type III is for drivers who have achieved six or more months of control, but due to contributing factors there is a slight possibility of another seizure. Medical probation Type III requires the driver to report, in writing, on a regular basis to the department on the status of his/her disorder.

The Medical Probation Reporting form (DS 346) is used by drivers on Type III probation, and the driver must sign the form under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the information provided is true and correct. (See Appendix B.)

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When a person is diagnosed as having seizures, his diagnosing physician is obliged to report the condition to the California Department of Motor Vehicles.

Driver Safety Information Lapses of Consciousness Disorders


27 posted on 06/11/2012 1:06:37 PM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Thanks. Nice post. Sort of causes me some concern about folks who may be out there who may blank out at any moment. Probation only, after three months? Wow.

Three months and two days and you’re toast...


28 posted on 06/11/2012 1:13:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: DoughtyOne
DoughtyOne wrote: "Thanks. Nice post. Sort of causes me some concern about folks who may be out there who may blank out at any moment. Probation only, after three months? Wow.

Three months and two days and you're toast..."


You're welcome, D1 and thanks. I agree it's a bit worrisome.

Also I wonder how forthcoming drivers are from other States and countries who also drive in California.


29 posted on 06/11/2012 1:30:08 PM PDT by bd476
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To: bd476

Yes, that’s a point of interest to be sure. Are the pass-through new residents honest? In this day and age, I doubt it.


30 posted on 06/11/2012 1:36:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: LucyT; Las Vegas Ron

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110531007182/en/BrightSource-Board-Chairman-John-Bryson-Nominated-U.S.

Brightsource DOE Funding Exposes Obama Cronyism

Solar company BrightSource Energy received an even bigger loan guarantee from DOE than Solyndra did. In April 2011, the company received $1.6 billion for its Ivanpah project in California—more than triple the size of Solyndra’s loan guarantee of $535 million! BrightSource’s CEO, John Woolard, claims that at its peak, the project would create 1,400 jobs. That would amount to $1.43 million for every job created.

more...............

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/17/brightsource-doe-funding-exposes-obama-cronyism/


31 posted on 06/11/2012 1:55:09 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: DoughtyOne
My co worker has these. They get lesser with age. You have to take your meds and they can strike without warning sometimes. DMV removes the license. after Six months without an episode the DR will give an eval for you to give to DMV. They will review your record.
32 posted on 06/11/2012 2:00:58 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: DoughtyOne
My co worker has these. They get lesser with age. You have to take your meds and they can strike without warning sometimes. DMV removes the license. after Six months without an episode the DR will give an eval for you to give to DMV. They will review your record.
33 posted on 06/11/2012 2:01:15 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: Domangart

Thanks for the mention. I appreciate you and others mentioning how things work on these matters. I didn’t know some of the finer details.


34 posted on 06/11/2012 2:03:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Okay. It is just so easy to be cynical with them. It is usually right but we’ll
see I guess.


35 posted on 06/11/2012 2:07:00 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Well, it’s sure easy for me to be cynical. I hear ya. Hey, take care...


36 posted on 06/11/2012 2:22:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: sunmars
Yeah, this whole "seizure" angle seems too convenient for me. I've seen people having seizures, and there is no way they could continue to drive and control a vehicle while that was happening. I can't fathom how he could get in an accident, keep driving, and then get in another accident in another town, all while having a seizure.

What, was the car on cruise control, with a perfectly aligned suspension, identically inflated tires, on a perfectly level and straight road? Plus, with an impact from the first crash that somehow did not transfer momentum to his car and cause him to veer? Too much of a stretch for me to give the benefit of the doubt.

37 posted on 06/11/2012 4:28:35 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: DoughtyOne

Sleepwalking and seizures are completely different phenomena. With sleepwalking, you are unconscious but your lower brain functions can still perform basic tasks, and even complex tasks that you do habitually, such as going to the bathroom, going up/down stairs, even preparing and eating food, or having a simple conversation.

With a seizure, it is like an electrical storm happening in your brain’s neural pathways. There is no portion of the brain that is not affected, so there is no possibility of continuing on with any kind of voluntary, non-random behavior.


38 posted on 06/11/2012 4:33:56 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

I agree with your comments. They are different, but then I never said they were similar events. The only commonality is that you don’t remember what you did when you wake up.

Even that may be somewhat off base. You may remember bits and pieces of what takes place when you have the seizure. None the less, it will be very hard to convict this guy for something he did when he was diminished like this.

The real fertile ground IMO is if he was not entitled to drive at the time of the event. Another angle might be if he was given preferential treatment, and allowed to drive when he shouldn’t have been driving.

Did he have a valid license that didn’t have stipulations?
Did his physician skirt the law?
Did they collude to skirt the law?


39 posted on 06/12/2012 10:02:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Republicanism: Y1 Rant Y2 Rant Y3 Rant Y4, Oh nevermind, vote for him anyway. Rinse & Repeat!)
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To: DoughtyOne

“None the less, it will be very hard to convict this guy for something he did when he was diminished like this.”

Ok, that covers the initial crash maybe, but that’s it. If he was out of his car, talking, walking around, then he wasn’t having a seizure, anymore at least. He certainly wasn’t having a seizure when he fled the scene.


40 posted on 06/12/2012 11:42:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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