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Freeper Research: I am Looking for Links to Stories About Recycling Not Working
060212 | Chickensoup

Posted on 06/02/2012 5:42:17 PM PDT by Chickensoup

I am looking for links to stories about recycling not working.

I seem to recall one of the Scandinavian countries admitting that they did not see any good in it.

I had read many stories of how recycling was piling up at waste centers because it was to expensive to haul, and the economy had slowed down.

But I cannot find links to show my leftist friend who believes all the fairy tales the leftist have to tell.

Thanks fellow Freepers!


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I am looking for links to stories about recycling not working.

I seem to recall one of the Scandinavian countries admitting that they did not see any good in it.

I had read many stories of how recycling was piling up at waste centers because it was to expensive to haul, and the economy had slowed down.

But I cannot find links to show my leftist friend who believes all the fairy tales the leftist have to tell.

My google searches come up nil, so I would expect they are manipulated...or not. Thanks fellow Freepers!

1 posted on 06/02/2012 5:42:27 PM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup

How’s about “Americans not working”


2 posted on 06/02/2012 5:45:05 PM PDT by Edgar3 (Don't THREAD on me!)
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To: Chickensoup

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/germany-s-environmental-protection-policies-fail-to-achieve-goals-a-821396.html


3 posted on 06/02/2012 5:45:28 PM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: Chickensoup

Interesting thread. Hoping you get some links.


4 posted on 06/02/2012 5:45:38 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Edward Teach

Thank you.


5 posted on 06/02/2012 5:48:14 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: InterceptPoint

me too


6 posted on 06/02/2012 5:48:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Chickensoup

Recycling works, with a huge subsidy from the government. Guess it depends on what your definition of works is?


7 posted on 06/02/2012 5:49:05 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Chickensoup
"my leftist friend"

You have more pressing issues than recycling.


8 posted on 06/02/2012 5:52:10 PM PDT by I see my hands (If you say what you think then no one will like you.)
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To: Chickensoup

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/11/curbside-recycling-preventing-market-failure/

Article from Nov. 2011 with good statistics. Top of article is good, bottom is about San Francisco which has a pay as you throw deal—expensive—to acheive their recycling rate.


9 posted on 06/02/2012 5:53:20 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: dila813

Recycling works, with a huge subsidy from the government. Guess it depends on what your definition of works is?

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Any links about that issue.

Locally we have some kid in a town who is trying to get our state to BAN both plastic and paper bags in stores. A brainwashed kid is spearheading the leftist agenda. Sick!


10 posted on 06/02/2012 5:54:22 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Chickensoup

http://saintpetersblog.com/2012/04/demise-of-curbside-recycling-another-failure-of-the-bill-foster-administration/

Another article from April, 2012—about the failure of the recycling effort in St. Petersburg, FL.


11 posted on 06/02/2012 5:56:41 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: exit82

Looks like it is working in those cities.

In my area everyting is separated and most of it goes to the landfull. all those milk bottles and returnables go to the burner. nothing is recycled.


12 posted on 06/02/2012 5:57:27 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Chickensoup

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2890803/posts


13 posted on 06/02/2012 5:57:53 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Chickensoup
It's dated now, but John Tierney wrote a classic article about the foolishness of recycling in the NY Times Magazine , 6/30/96, entitled "Recycling is Garbage.". I found an online copy at http://web.williams.edu/HistSci/curriculum/101/garbage.html.
14 posted on 06/02/2012 5:58:21 PM PDT by untenured
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To: Chickensoup

Here’s another one from today—fasilure in Chicago:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/09/chicago-recycling-fail-1_n_641087.html


15 posted on 06/02/2012 5:59:09 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: exit82

Thank you.

Freepers?


16 posted on 06/02/2012 5:59:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: exit82

Thank you.

Freepers?


17 posted on 06/02/2012 5:59:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Chickensoup

It is in the garbage collection contract for your city, you just have to look at all the requirements for them getting the contract.

The city claims it is free in some cases, but the garbage service just spins the cost onto the consumer. The competition in the garbage business is to try to take that garbage and turn it into extra money.

Think of it this way, they make you pay for picking up the trash and the recyclables, then they take the recyclables and sell it for extra money. If it was a normal business, they would have to charge you separately for the recyclables and you would have a right to refuse.


18 posted on 06/02/2012 6:02:24 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

It seem as though they are paid to haul it to the burner although we keep up the pretense that all that nice plastic is being recycled into something useful and good like park benchs and children playsets.


19 posted on 06/02/2012 6:05:37 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Chickensoup

Here is one from a few years ago I remembered; recycling going right to the landfill.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenerliving/3502220/Green-scheme-scrapped-as-household-recycling-is-sent-to-landfill.html


20 posted on 06/02/2012 6:07:54 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Chickensoup

Gubbament ‘recycling” programs fail because if there is a amrket for the recyclable material, it is already being recycled. People doing that are easily found in the Yellow Pages under “Scrap dDalers” or the more Libtard “Recyclers”.

In recycling, as in other areas, letting gubbament do anything guarantees higher costs, lower efficiencies and sooner or later, “a swarm of officers to eat out our substance”.

Yeah, the last IS from the Declaratoin. Seems the spirit of King George is stalking America’s streets.


21 posted on 06/02/2012 6:08:04 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Chickensoup

I typed “recycling doesn’t work” into Google and found hundreds of things. Why not try that?


22 posted on 06/02/2012 6:10:30 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: Chickensoup

Retirement comes to mind.


23 posted on 06/02/2012 6:12:59 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Chickensoup

Actually the top of the article shows that recycling in NYC does not work. It is not economical. The trash is going to landfill or incinerators becasue it is not economical to recycle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBO0cSMob4

Here’s a video about a failure of glass recycling.

The amount of energy involved in collecting the recyclables, plus the costs of recycling(wages, benefits of workers, trucks, land for recycling, buildings for recycling,etc. do not work for most consumer materials, with the exception of aluminum cans and steel cans.Possibly cardboard, depending on the demand for cardboard from China.

With the slowdown in worldwide markets, the demand for recyclables goes down.

For many years we had mandatory, sorted curbside recycling in NJ.

We found out that when the markets collapsed in 2001 after 9/11, recyclables had no market, and were dumped onto trains and buried in Pennsylvania, for which NJ had to pay for the privilege.


24 posted on 06/02/2012 6:12:59 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: Chickensoup

When I lived in Japan, I had to carefully separate my trash into: burnable, plastic, glass, buried, and food leftovers.

Except in one city.

Kyoto.


25 posted on 06/02/2012 6:13:51 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: irishtenor

I am finding articles about how people dont recycle, I am looking for articles about the lack of benefit to recycling or articles that look at the full impact of recycling like cost of fuel,and carbon footprint of recycling.


26 posted on 06/02/2012 6:15:25 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Chickensoup

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91824&page=1#.T8q6mOwg6So


27 posted on 06/02/2012 6:15:45 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Chickensoup

The article you asked for, from Austria, was the first one I tried when I typed the words.


28 posted on 06/02/2012 6:19:27 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: struggle

Kyoto.

Why?


29 posted on 06/02/2012 6:22:05 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Chickensoup

Generally, if something is worth doing, somebody will already be doing it, because they can make a living at it, e.g. it is profitable. It’s not really more complicated than that.

Glass is recyclable, paper, or pulp can be, and “rag men” used to dot the cities. The problem arises when more energy inputs are utilized to subsidize government mandated “feel good” programs that consume more resources than are returned. Taking the other side of the argument, what is the “carbon footprint” of a mandatory recycling program where huge sums of money are spent in a futile effort to pick up crap that nobody wants, unless they can make money at it.

Garbage is profitable, if government (people who don’t actually want to work) stay out of the way. Seriously. Newspaper has a value, but once it’s required to recycle, at a cost, the there is no incentive. Textbook 101.
Why humans constantly have to re- discover truths laid out 6,000 years ago is one of those imponderables.


30 posted on 06/02/2012 6:25:11 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: irishtenor

The 2009 article from libertarian Von Misis institute? I was looking for something a little more recent.

Thank you


31 posted on 06/02/2012 6:26:05 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Chickensoup

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/02/nyregion/report-calls-recycling-costlier-than-dumping.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

NY Times no less


32 posted on 06/02/2012 6:26:42 PM PDT by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: exit82

actually recycling is working well in the video. The items are gathered and sold to someone who values them enought to resell them and get them reused.

More about price collapse would be interesting, any links about what happened in your town?


33 posted on 06/02/2012 6:28:15 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Chickensoup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzLebC0mjCQ


34 posted on 06/02/2012 6:33:32 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Chickensoup

Recycling, as designed to work, does NOT work well in the video.

The taxpayers shelled out big money for the bins, and more money to collect the recycling product—glass.

Any profit is supposed to go to offset the cost of recycling.

When the addicts steal the glass, they are stealing resources belonging to the city, i.e. the taxpayer.

So, the addict gets the money, the taxpayer pays for the whole collection set-up and gets nothing.

The addict compromises the recycling loop, causing additional costs.

Plus if they can’t steal enough glass, thyey’ll come to your house and rob you and kill you, if they want to.


35 posted on 06/02/2012 6:36:09 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: Chickensoup

John Stossel did a show on that subject a while back. May find it at his site or u-tube.


36 posted on 06/02/2012 6:41:28 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Chickensoup

“The items are gathered and sold...”

By whom? For free? Of course not. Sold to whom? Why don’t the people who buy it from the people who gather it up just gather it up themselves, and cut out the middleman? See where I’m going with that?


37 posted on 06/02/2012 6:42:38 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: exit82

The recycling workd. The recycling stream was there and the glass got recycled. The particpants did not protect their part of the stream but the glass was evidently valuable enough to steal.

I guess the question is, was the glass valuable because it could be resold for monies or was the glass valuable because there was an artificial value made by bottle/glass deposits?


38 posted on 06/02/2012 6:44:47 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Freedom4US

By whom? For free? Of course not. Sold to whom? Why don’t the people who buy it from the people who gather it up just gather it up themselves, and cut out the middleman? See where I’m going with that?

z———————————

because they are obviously making enough of a profit.


39 posted on 06/02/2012 6:46:17 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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CS, surely you jest.

The recycling worked for the thief, not for the people paying for the recycling stream to exist, and who were supposed to derive the economic benefit of the recycling.

No one can say that taxpayer subsidy of theft is recycling that works.


40 posted on 06/02/2012 6:47:57 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: Chickensoup

Read P.J. O’Rourke’s “All the Trouble In the World”


41 posted on 06/02/2012 6:59:21 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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42 posted on 06/02/2012 7:01:46 PM PDT by narses
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To: Chickensoup

http://www.care2.com/causes/study-finds-landfills-are-greener-than-recycling.html


43 posted on 06/02/2012 7:06:17 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Chickensoup

Here’s my favorite:

“More than a third of the waste paper and plastic collected by British local authorities, supermarkets and businesses for recycling is being sent 8,000 miles to China without any knowledge of the environmental or social costs - and to the complete surprise of most consumers.”

More at the link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/sep/20/environment.china

Now that article in the Guardian is from 2004, but if you search with “Great Britain recycling China” as key words, I expect you can find some more recent stuff - I remember reading a couple of years back about some Brit town where the local council had the townspeople separate their crap into about 8 different recycle bins - and then had most of it just shipped off to China.

Just the waste in energy and transportation pollution astounds me.


44 posted on 06/02/2012 7:14:44 PM PDT by Stosh
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Find your city budget.

My city:

Sidewalk repair: $82,000
Street maintenance: $450,000
Recycling Program: $2,400,500

Neighboring city:

Sidewalk repair: $23,000
Street maintenance: $122,400
Recycling Program: $3,545,800

I mean, really, consider it: Cities are spending 5-10 times their annual budget for street repair for these idiotic wasteful recycling programs. They obviously don’t make a profit, they are a huge loss for the city, and drain the budget from what most people would consider as being ‘important.’

And a FYI, I’m the guy in the audience every city budget meeting who stands up and reads off those sections of the budget - the embarrassing parts... Retirement funds for elected officials, costs of their benefits, etc.


45 posted on 06/02/2012 7:31:32 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Chickensoup

No, that’s not profit - they are stealing or skimming.

We live in a carbon based world. Oil, e.g. gasoline and diesel. Pretty colored garbage cans in red and green and yellow, dutifully parsing our waste while trucks drive around and pick it up under various regulations - and fines for putting the cans out two hours before the prescribed hour - that is all statist bullshit and is only possible, if not sane or practical, under a surplus wealth society.

The short answer is, we’re broke and can’t afford such nonsense.

In scientific terms, it’s a net energy deficit.

In business terms, it’s not profitable.


46 posted on 06/02/2012 7:44:39 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Chickensoup
Recycling infrastructure supports future war efforts. Your leftist friend is helping to insure America can kill more anti-Americans wherever they may be.

The Arsenal of Democracy: Conservation and Recycling

The U.S. Government after Pearl Harbor asked Americans to salvage and collect a long list of materials that could be used for the war effort. The materials included paper, aluminum, tin, iron and steel, rubber, silk stockings, and cooking fat. Some of these material like rubber and silk were needed because th Japanese had cut off the supply by their rapid advance through Southeast Asia.

47 posted on 06/02/2012 7:53:07 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Chickensoup
This is the best article ever about why government mandated recycling wastes more resources than it saves:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/30/magazine/recycling-is-garbage.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

This article says that in 2003, the city of Santa Clarita, California was paying $28 per ton to put garbage into a landfill. The city then adopted a mandatory diaper recycling program that cost $1,800 per ton.

http://freeliberal.com/archives/000001.php

This article says that in 2002, 40% of the garbage that New York City residents separated for recycling actually ended up in landfills.

http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2002/apr/18/city-council-holds-hearings-on-saving-recycling/

48 posted on 06/02/2012 8:02:39 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Freedom4US
Pretty colored garbage cans in red and green and yellow

And they're all made from oil. Why aren't recycling bins ever made from bamboo and picked up by solar powered dump trucks?

49 posted on 06/02/2012 8:14:00 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Chickensoup
You know what, 50 years ago my Dad took us kids to the junkyard to drop off saved newspapers and metal junk, he gave us the coins he got for ice cream money. So it worked back then.

I recycle yard waste in my composter and reap the benefits with yummy tomatoes and bigger trees.

Recycling works when the beneficiary is the person doing the recycling but until the government sends us a check for doing the dirty work public recycling is a scam.

50 posted on 06/02/2012 8:23:06 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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