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Perspectives: Heads they win, tails we lose [No ABO!]
St. George Utah.com ^ | June 1, 2012 | Bryan Hyde

Posted on 06/02/2012 8:58:03 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

Some lies are easier to spot than others. “Of course I’ll respect you in the morning.” “The check is in the mail.” “A vote for anybody but Romney is a vote for Obama.”

The people who repeat this last lie are undeniably sincere. They don’t recognize that they’re merely repeating a manipulative platitude, calculated to keep voters within the ideological boundaries of a thoroughly corrupt two party system. The falsehood being parroted sounds almost exactly like it did four years ago except, in 2008, the name “McCain” was used in place of “Romney.”

Once again the GOP faithful are being admonished to fall in line behind a political “choice” that was made for them many months ago. The individuals who made this decision included power brokers and policymakers representing both major parties. When the efforts of party leaders combine with their cronies in the media, corporations and influential moneyed interests, the outcome tends to favors them no matter who wins.

This was what author Carroll Quiqley referred to in his book “Tragedy and Hope” when he wrote: “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”

The fact that the likely GOP nominee and the current president share virtually identical stances on foreign policy, the welfare state, and monetary policy should be a strong clue that whichever candidate the voters elect this November, no actual change will occur.

Both candidates demonstrate disdain for the rule of law by their ongoing support of extra-judicial detentions and killings in the name of national security. Neither Romney nor Obama advocates a return to limited government and greater respect for the privacy and civil liberties of the American people. The interests of those who back them are hardly the interests of the American people.

So is it any surprise that the political ruling class keeps telling us that those candidates whose principles reflect greater freedom, constitutionally limited government, and responsible fiscal, monetary and foreign policies are “unelectable?” There seem to be just enough gullible voters each election cycle willing to take these official pronouncements at face value.

If there’s a lesson to be learned here, it’s that most coverage of the presidential election seems intended to distract the people from understanding the real issues.

Thankfully, an increasing number of voters are refusing to accept the false dilemma they’re being offered. These are the citizens who have taken the time to educate themselves politically, economically, spiritually, and philosophically. They recognize that the fraudulent two party system offers no real choice. They understand that the only vote for Obama will be one that comes from a person actually casting their ballot for Obama.

These are the voters who know that any political leader who supports gun bans, socialized medicine and the denial of due process when imprisoning or murdering individuals is unworthy of their vote. Whether that candidate’s name is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama is irrelevant. People who are in the habit of basing their decisions upon principle rather than pragmatism are more difficult to deceive.

Columnist Vin Suprynowizc once asked his readers to imagine that they were citizens of the Weimar Republic in the 1930s. He asked them how they would want to address their grandchildren as they approached the end of their lives. Would they prefer to tell their families “They told us that our only choice was between the Nazis and the Communists. So I had to choose the lesser of the two evils”? Or would they rather say, “I refused to support either the fascists or the Bolsheviks. Because of this, I was shouted down, marginalized and abused for refusing to acquiesce, but I stayed true to my conscience and to my principles”?

The future of our nation doesn’t hinge upon the outcome of this single presidential election. But it has a great deal to do with the long-term character and principles of the voters who will participate in this and future elections. If they can be deceived every election cycle into selling out for an illusory short-term political gain, we will all lose in the long run.

But if enough voters remain true to their core principles and refuse to be swayed from them, there is hope that the greater struggle for liberty and good government can be won


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abo; politics; romney
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I will vote down ticket for conservatives. No vote for socialists.
1 posted on 06/02/2012 8:58:13 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: Jim Robinson; xzins

Ping


2 posted on 06/02/2012 9:01:34 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Once more “principled” people try to pretend before God and man that in a main election, a spoiler does something different this year than spoilers did in past years.

The time to get “the right stuff” was the primaries. Tea Partiers, bless their bitter clinging souls, were about as organized about this as a herd of cats. Putting up a main election challenger is not merely too little too late, it is counterproductive. It is not for no reason that “Perot” became a verb, to GHWB’s chagrin and Trashy Bill Clinton’s delight.

Now, of course, we would do well to encourage LIBERALS who are upset with Barack Obama to field their OWN spoilers!


3 posted on 06/02/2012 9:04:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: greyfoxx39
The time for ideology is in the primary ... after that, we vote for the outcome.

Our choice is obama or whatever.

ABO is my guiding light, and if no other is viable, it has to be Romney.

I don't prefer that, but I cannot live with a clear conscience if zero is re-elected and I had voted for __________ as an idealogical or protest vote.

That's the fact of it all.

4 posted on 06/02/2012 9:04:51 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: greyfoxx39

THX 1138


5 posted on 06/02/2012 9:05:13 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39
Romney is very,very likely to harm me,and my beloved country,at least a little bit less than Osama Obama over the next four years therefore I WILL VOTE FOR HIM! Not with any particular joy in my heart,but I'll do so nevertheless.
6 posted on 06/02/2012 9:08:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Mugabe Had A Son He'd Look Like Obama)
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To: greyfoxx39
They don’t recognize that they’re merely repeating a manipulative platitude, calculated to keep voters within the ideological boundaries of a thoroughly corrupt two party system.

Well for crying out loud, who cares as long as our team wins!

7 posted on 06/02/2012 9:08:32 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m a lot more concerned about those downticket races. One more progressive republican in the white house won’t make things any better since they all think they’re royalty.

I encourage people to get out and vote for someone (Romney, write in, or 3rd party) as long as you hit those downticket races.

I also hope people start taking part in the instate party politics. In Michigan the GOPe elements (Saul Anuzis and Holly Hughes) were removed from their seats on the republican national committee last week and it only takes a few hundred people in each state to make the difference.


8 posted on 06/02/2012 9:11:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: greyfoxx39

“The future of our nation doesn’t hinge upon the outcome of this single presidential election”......

Pardon me! We certainly have had more than one pivotal POTUS election in our history, but THIS ELECTION is undeniably the icing on the cake. Everything “most of us” hold dear are in danger from nobama and the dems. This poarticular guy has shown he is unafraid of either Congress or the Constitution by taking on doing whatever he pleases by caviot outside the rule of law

3rd party vote or no vote is one of the things right up there with Acorn-type voter registration/fraud, that could save nobama.

Other than Mormon hatred, its hard to see your rational point.


9 posted on 06/02/2012 9:12:32 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: greyfoxx39
The future of our nation doesn’t hinge upon the outcome of this single presidential election. But it has a great deal to do with the long-term character and principles of the voters who will participate in this and future elections. If they can be deceived every election cycle into selling out for an illusory short-term political gain, we will all lose in the long run.

But if enough voters remain true to their core principles and refuse to be swayed from them, there is hope that the greater struggle for liberty and good government can be won.

Spot on!

10 posted on 06/02/2012 9:14:06 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39

This article is a load of sanctimonious, self-important bull.

There are many admirable young up-and-coming leaders in the GOP.


11 posted on 06/02/2012 9:14:56 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: X-spurt; greyfoxx39

Congratulations, you are the first to make this thread about mormonism and not the topic.
You win!!!!
Now the flood gates are open.


12 posted on 06/02/2012 9:16:43 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: rogue yam
This article is a load of sanctimonious, self-important bull.

Spoken by the champion purveyor of "sanctimonious, self-important bull" on FR.

13 posted on 06/02/2012 9:19:14 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The inability or unwillingness to reality test beliefs is okay for my plumber but not for POTUS.)
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To: svcw

And so once more it all devolves into a battle of the bots. Mittbots vs. antiMittbots.

Sad.


14 posted on 06/02/2012 9:21:52 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: greyfoxx39
No vote for socialists.

It's just not right.

Voting for a socialist is promoting socialism and if choosing between 2 socialists with an agenda to take what earnings individual labor creates to pass on to others forcibly, then we are already a country that once shined brightly the beacon of freedom that has gone dark without a cry of why or a roar of a battle.

15 posted on 06/02/2012 9:23:50 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: greyfoxx39
Columnist Vin Suprynowizc once asked his readers to imagine that they were citizens of the Weimar Republic in the 1930s. ... “They told us that our only choice was between the Nazis and the Communists. So I had to choose the lesser of the two evils”? Or would they rather say, “I refused to support either the fascists or the Bolsheviks. Because of this, I was shouted down, marginalized and abused for refusing to acquiesce, but I stayed true to my conscience and to my principles”?

Really bad analogy. The Weimar Republic was a parliamentary multi-party system in which governments were usually formed by coalitions among the parties. If enough people supported the non-Nazi and non-commie parties, then these extremists stayed out of power.

We have, for better and worse, a two-party system. A vote for a third party is wasted.

This, in theory, could change at some time in the future. This year, it is quite obviously true.

16 posted on 06/02/2012 9:23:57 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: greyfoxx39

No Romney and no Obama. The lesser of two evils is still evil.


17 posted on 06/02/2012 9:27:55 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Obama versus Romney? Cyanide versus arsenic.)
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To: Sherman Logan
We have, for better and worse, a two-party system. A vote for a third party is wasted.

When the two parties have the same agenda and promote the same agenda then a vote for either of the two parties is a waste for with or without a vote the outcome is the same.

18 posted on 06/02/2012 9:31:03 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: X-spurt
THIS ELECTION is undeniably the icing on the cake.

I've heard that since I started becoming politically aware and that was before I was old enough to vote. I'm 66 years old.

Every election is the "most important" in our life times.

19 posted on 06/02/2012 9:31:35 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Obama versus Romney? Cyanide versus arsenic.)
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To: Graybeard58

The superb cat herding performance of the Tea Party has not supplied America with any viable alternative in November. Now it’s time for the pussies to get out of the picture.

REAL perspective: Romney stinks; Obama is an industrial scale reek calling for hazmat suits and the EPA Superfund.


20 posted on 06/02/2012 9:31:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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