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Nobody owns his life: an integral defense of life
LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/30/12 | Monsignor Ignacio Barreiro-Carámbula

Posted on 05/31/2012 4:03:51 PM PDT by wagglebee

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A fundamental element in this struggle to establish the common good is generosity with life, because selfishness with life is the consequence of the lack of hope, which is in turn due to a lack faith. This lack of faith and hope leads directly or indirectly to abortion, euthanasia and all sorts of aggressions against the family. This happens also because without a hopeful and strong view of the future grounded in the faith it is difficult to make the permanent commitment which is the essence of marriage.

Perfectly stated.

1 posted on 05/31/2012 4:04:05 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 05/31/2012 4:05:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 05/31/2012 4:06:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 05/31/2012 4:07:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Nobody owns his life; no one has the right to euthanasia or assisted suicide.

I have a relative that lives near Dr. Kirvorkian ... aka "Doctor Death." That relative told me that "Most people think that Kervorkian is wrong, but no one wants to see him punished."

5 posted on 05/31/2012 4:37:54 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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The same logic of dominion over life that leads to abortion serves as justification for euthanasia, assisted suicide, as well as contraception and artificial means of fertilization. If a person is capable of deciding on the life or death of the baby in the womb, that person could also make these same decisions over the life of a dying or disabled person under his or her legal care.

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Excellent article. Pro-life is more than just anti-abortion. It encompasses life in its entirety.

6 posted on 05/31/2012 4:39:01 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Sorry, folks, but as a small-l libertarian I believe that I own my own life. If I want to end it or extend it through artificial means, that’s my own business. Self-ownership is fundamental, and non-negotiable for us.


7 posted on 05/31/2012 4:48:22 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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Sorry, folks, but as a small-l libertarian I believe that I own my own life.

To accept this libertarian precept one must reject the tenets of the Declaration of Independence.

God grants us UNALIENABLE rights, the libertarian rejection of the right to life requires the belief that a person can alienate that which is unalienable.

Self-ownership is fundamental, and non-negotiable for us.

This is exactly the same logic that has been used to justify the murder of over 53 MILLION innocent Americans -- the "self-ownership" notion that a woman can murder her child.

8 posted on 05/31/2012 5:01:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I’ve been arguing this for years. There cannot be a property right vested in a person’s self; otherwise he is free to dispose of himself in any way he sees fit, including selling himself into slavery. We are warders of ourselves, not owners.


9 posted on 05/31/2012 5:04:26 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Why does one have to accept the tenets of the Declaration which is nothing but a lot of political propaganda. The preamble is a collection of Enlightenment bromides and rather stale ones at that. The whole purpose of the Declaration was to score points against the crown and provide the rebels with some rhetorical ammunition. The basis of much of libertarianism is simply understanding that men are power oriented and greedy and one has to arrange things to restrain their natural appetites in order not to become a serf. There is no right or wrong here just a recognition of what a predatory and vicious creature the homo sapient is and that if you let him he will be a tyrant as it just comes naturally from our old reptile brain.
10 posted on 05/31/2012 5:16:29 PM PDT by robowombat
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>>Sorry, folks, but as a small-l libertarian I believe that I own my own life. If I want to end it or extend it through artificial means, that’s my own business. Self-ownership is fundamental, and non-negotiable for us.<<

I have to agree with you. To me that me I will not accept organs or mechanical devices to extend my life. When the Lord decides my days on earth are done I will not attempt to betray his wishes.


11 posted on 05/31/2012 5:22:53 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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Why does one have to accept the tenets of the Declaration which is nothing but a lot of political propaganda. The preamble is a collection of Enlightenment bromides and rather stale ones at that. The whole purpose of the Declaration was to score points against the crown and provide the rebels with some rhetorical ammunition.

So, you reject the Declaration of Independence?

The basis of much of libertarianism is simply understanding that men are power oriented and greedy and one has to arrange things to restrain their natural appetites in order not to become a serf.

So, libertarianism is based on selfishness rather that God-given rights?

There is no right or wrong here just a recognition of what a predatory and vicious creature the homo sapient is and that if you let him he will be a tyrant as it just comes naturally from our old reptile brain.

I see, the leftist "no right or wrong" precept of moral relativism.

Thank you for the brilliant reminder that libertarians have far more in common with hard-core liberals than they do with conservatives.

12 posted on 05/31/2012 5:22:59 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To me that means ....


13 posted on 05/31/2012 5:23:53 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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Why does one have to accept the tenets of the Declaration which is nothing but a lot of political propaganda. The preamble is a collection of Enlightenment bromides and rather stale ones at that. The whole purpose of the Declaration was to score points against the crown and provide the rebels with some rhetorical ammunition. The basis of much of libertarianism is simply understanding that men are power oriented and greedy and one has to arrange things to restrain their natural appetites in order not to become a serf. There is no right or wrong here just a recognition of what a predatory and vicious creature the homo sapient is and that if you let him he will be a tyrant as it just comes naturally from our old reptile brain.

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Why are you here?

14 posted on 05/31/2012 5:41:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To me that me I will not accept organs or mechanical devices to extend my life.

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Where does this article state that you must do otherwise?

15 posted on 05/31/2012 5:43:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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I agree too.

To say that one does not own his own life is to abdicate responsibility of what one does with his life, which is to surrender the God given right to freedom.


16 posted on 05/31/2012 5:46:52 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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“If I want to end it or extend it through artificial means, that’s my own business.”


17 posted on 05/31/2012 5:52:37 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: B4Ranch

Can you offer a link?


18 posted on 05/31/2012 5:57:49 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Where is that in the article at hand?


19 posted on 05/31/2012 5:59:21 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Thank you for representing the cornerstone principles of this free republic, upon which our form of government and our claim to liberty are premised, so well.

un·al·ien·a·ble
Adjective:
Unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor:

20 posted on 05/31/2012 6:02:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Party like it's 1860.- America's Party - www.SelfGovernment.US)
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