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Nobody owns his life: an integral defense of life
LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/30/12 | Monsignor Ignacio Barreiro-Carámbula

Posted on 05/31/2012 4:03:51 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Lurker; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
This is complete, unadulterated, utter BS. My life is my own. It belongs to no potentate, king, priest, government, or invisible man in the sky.

Yes, I can see where an atheist is completely at odds with the concept of God-given rights.

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.
-- John Adams

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
-- John Adams

You see, once the atheist rejects the fundamental belief that our rights come from God, he is left with only two choices:
1. That our rights come from government, which means that the government can also take them away. This eliminates freedom.
or
2. That each person creates their own rights and can decide at any moment that his rights supersede the rights of everyone else. This creates anarchy.

It is mine, and mine alone.

If your life is yours alone, WHO gave it to you? Did you somehow create yourself?

The author of this piece is a weak minded fraud worthy only of ridicule by free human beings.

Given the choice between a Christian who believes in the fundamental right to life and the atheist belief that each person decides their own rights, I will always choose the former.

Libertarian beliefs NEVER create freedom, they can only end in tyranny or anarchy.

41 posted on 06/01/2012 5:35:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: robowombat
a vast amount of bloviating self congratulatory simplistic moralizing rhetoric.

As opposed to a vast amount of bloviating self congratulatory simplistic DE-moralizing godless anarchic Libertarian rhetoric, right?

42 posted on 06/01/2012 5:48:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Party like it's 1860.- America's Party - www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: dalereed; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
“no one has the right to euthanasia or assisted suicide”

I do and no one has any right to stop me!

Certainly most people have the ABILITY to commit suicide, but that doesn't make it a right any more than the ability to commit murder makes it a right.

As for assisted suicide, you may have the ABILITY to help another person commit suicide, but this isn't a right either and you certainly don't have any right to have another person assist you in committing suicide.

And then we have euthanasia. What possibly makes you believe that you have the right to take another person's life based on their state of health? This is the thinking that ALWAYS leads to death panels.

43 posted on 06/01/2012 5:48:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Well put.


44 posted on 06/01/2012 5:49:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Party like it's 1860.- America's Party - www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: wagglebee

The ability to make distinctions is one of the marks of the sane person.

I’m always struck by the Libertarian inability to make the crucial distinction between rights and power.


45 posted on 06/01/2012 5:51:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Party like it's 1860.- America's Party - www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: Lurker; metmom; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
So according to the idiot who wrote this drivel a Marine who throws how own body on a grenade, or charges a machine gun nest to save his comrades is committing a mortal sign [sic] because he didn’t die “naturally”.

This is quite possibly the most absurd thing I've ever read on FR.

NOBODY has EVER suggested that dying in combat or defending others is sinful.

46 posted on 06/01/2012 5:52:01 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: EternalVigilance
I’m always struck by the Libertarian inability to make the crucial distinction between rights and power.

At its core, libertarianism to rooted in selfishness and the total rejection of authority, this is why libertarianism will ALWAYS result in anarchy if it is allowed. Libertarians have convinced themselves that a desire is the same thing as a right.

47 posted on 06/01/2012 5:59:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“Libertarian beliefs NEVER create freedom, they can only end in tyranny or anarchy. “

That is quite possibly THE BEST summary of libertarianism I have ever read! Thanks!


48 posted on 06/01/2012 6:07:38 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: trisham

The integral nature of God’s ownership of each of our bodies, is why—though admittedly NOT a life-&-death issue—tattoos should be considered wrong.

The definition of graffiti is writing or art done on SOMEONE ELSE’S property. Usually, but not always, graffiti is scribed on public property—but essential to its definition—is that the “tagger” didn’t have permission to do it. This is why it is primarily the habit of adolescents—as it is a form of rebellion—even theft, easily gotten away with.

When graffiti is allowed in designated areas (say, on a construction fence, or by a (real) artist on the wall of a city building—or as the case here in Charlotte recently, on a public overpass/bridge—really, it ceases to be graffiti, and becomes legitimate public art. When done that way, with approval (since it pleases certain authorities) it loses a lot of its edge...and, in actuality ceases to BE graffiti.

Typically too, graffiti is of passing artistic style...in the same way that album-cover art is (or used to be, yes I am dating myself). Also, graffiti (like much of contemporary art) is highly subjective and personal—with passing emotional significance.

In all these ways, tattoos are as well:

1) On someone else’s property (since our body is God’s)
2) Without the permission of the owner
3) Of passing artistic style...
4) Highly subjective and personal, with passing emotional significance.

The first two points alone, for a Christian, should be enough to dissuade him or her from tattoos.

“...do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.” (St. Paul in I Corinthians 6:19, 20)


49 posted on 06/01/2012 6:21:34 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: EternalVigilance
I don't have any use for Libertarians. I think they are a pack of fools. I just don't worship any particular construction men have put together. Some things that people have managed to fumble about and do have positive out comes. The US is an example. Others , most of the others, Islam, the USSR, or just the really screwed up societies of over half the world are not positive . we are lucky. The libs keep trying to ‘make it better’ so it will become a real mess. The libertarians want nothing around, or some of them, so they can enjoy some sort of anarcho-market place nirvana. They are fools too, just not as dangerous as they are never going to have the chance to to carry out their scheme. I find self congratulatory moralizing rhetoric a pain in the side from whatever source.
50 posted on 06/01/2012 6:23:37 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

I’m sorry you feel that way about the founding paragraph of the United States of America.

Because without it, there is no America. Not for long anyhow.


51 posted on 06/01/2012 7:00:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Party like it's 1860.- America's Party - www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: wagglebee
At its core, libertarianism to rooted in selfishness and the total rejection of authority, this is why libertarianism will ALWAYS result in anarchy if it is allowed. Libertarians have convinced themselves that a desire is the same thing as a right.

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Well said.

52 posted on 06/01/2012 7:16:26 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

Christians and Jews should bear in mind that we entered this world naked and alone and we will leave it the same way.

While we are here we are stewards. Stewards only. Never owners. Ownership is an illusion:

The earth [is] the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. - Psalms 24:1

For that reason we should treat all things - whether living or non-living - reverently as stewards only because everything is God's property.

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. - Revelation 4:11

And that includes our own physical lives. Sacrificing one's life for one's friend is the surest evidence of love:

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. - John 15:13

And again,

For [the kingdom of heaven is] as a man travelling into a far country, [who] called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods...

For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 25:14-30

God's Name is I AM.

53 posted on 06/01/2012 8:18:54 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: EternalVigilance
Wasn't the preamble pretty much plagiarized from Locke's ‘Second Treatise’ particularly Chapter Two. Much of Jefferson's theory seems to come from Locke. So, what makes Locke anymore insightful or right than Hobbes? At bottom my belief is men use elevated rhetoric to mask their real motivations just as persons routinely mask statements as questions. Therefore making a big to do about any set of rhetorical pronouncements is very dubious as it invest transcendence in something that was done for a contingent and transitory purpose.
54 posted on 06/01/2012 12:25:28 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Truth is timeless, and it remains true no matter who uses, or misuses, it.

Even Satan himself spoke the scriptures to Jesus when he tempted Him. Out of context, of course.

The Lord’s overwhelmingly effective response, of course, was eternal truth, in context.

To which there was no possible response, so Satan fled, as he always must in the face of properly deployed truth.


55 posted on 06/01/2012 12:32:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Party like it's 1860.- America's Party - www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance
I am not conversant with either the Prince of Darkness or Jesus so I will leave that to those who nurture the belief they are.
56 posted on 06/01/2012 9:57:22 PM PDT by robowombat
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Pinged from Terri Dailies


57 posted on 06/03/2012 12:07:03 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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